TV3 @ 20.30 Irelands Gun Crime Crisis

kildarejoe · 15-02-2012 07:12PM #1

I get the impression that since the court case went against the powers that be that there seems to be an increasing amount of air time and print space given to any negative image of guns, am I just paranoid or is the general public going to be fed a load of propoganda for a sneaky hit on gun ownership in september when all the licences that were renewed from the old to the new system will be due to go through the process again.

BattleCorp · 15-02-2012 07:26PM

I doubt that all the programmes are a co-ordinated attack on the licence holders in the country. At least I hope that they aren't.

I'd say that they seem more prevalent because of the amount of gun crime that is happening at the moment. Every two bit thug on the streets seems to be able to get his hands on a gun whenever he wants to.

The sad thing is that the law, the media, and sorry to say, the general public don't seem to be able to tell the difference between illegal guns and fully licenced legal guns.

We get them from licenced dealers, comply with all the rules, and don't go around shooting each other.

The scumbags buy them from drug smugglers etc, obey no rules and take a pop at anybody who pisses them off.

Is it our fault in the shooting community for not promoting ourselves a bit better?

marlin vs · 15-02-2012 07:51PM

kildarejoe wrote: »

I get the impression that since the court case went against the powers that be that there seems to be an increasing amount of air time and print space given to any negative image of guns, am I just paranoid or is the general public going to be fed a load of propoganda for a sneaky hit on gun ownership in september when all the licences that were renewed from the old to the new system will be due to go through the process again.

Thank's, but it seems to be on at 8-00 and not 8-30.

http://entertainment.ie/TV_Listing/84/TV3.htm

Sparks · 15-02-2012 08:07PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Is it our fault in the shooting community for not promoting ourselves a bit better?

Do you want the short or the long answer?

Longranger · 15-02-2012 08:55PM

DEAR GOD NNOOOO!;)

Tawny Owl · 15-02-2012 09:06PM

Theres a Programme just started on TV3 about Gun Crime it might be of intrest to ourselves as I am sure we the legal holders of Guns and Licences will be brought into it if you miss the Programme you can catch it on TV3's replays or web site.

pheasntstalker · 15-02-2012 09:06PM

well lads as above gun crime ireland is now on tv 3 ,des croften is bein interviewed interested to see if they show the difference between legal lads like us and scumbags:rolleyes:

Tawny Owl · 15-02-2012 09:08PM

We both posted the same information within a couple on minutes of each other

pheasntstalker · 15-02-2012 09:08PM

twawny beat me to it:o:o

pheasntstalker · 15-02-2012 09:15PM

just as i said in my simaliar post i hope they distingish between licenced an legal gun owners like us an the scumbags,be interesting to hear what des croften has to say;)

Concerned Shooter · 15-02-2012 09:42PM

After the break, how to control legal firearms.

Cass · 15-02-2012 09:52PM

Why the Christ didn't he show a copy of an FCA1. With 9 pages, doctors details, security requirments, referees, etc, etc. Far more "impressive" than a note with the dealers letter heading on it, and shows what we do have to go through to get a firearm. From the reporting any person looking at it that has no experience with a firearm application process will think you only need to pass an interview.

Also 3 - 8 weeks for a license. thats on the good end of the scale. What about the legal tmeframe of 3 months not to mention the year some people wait.

BattleCorp · 15-02-2012 09:54PM

Ezridax wrote: »

Why the Christ didn't he show a copy of an FCA1. With 9 pages, doctors details, security requirments, referees, etc, etc. Far more "impressive" than a note with the dealers letter heading on it, and shows what we do have to go through to get a firearm.

Yer man Cantwell was left with the impression that you could get a licence if you were clinically insane, mentally unstable etc etc.

rowa · 15-02-2012 09:55PM

Just seen the interview with the gunshop owner and des crofton, wtf was crofton talking about ? He took an unjustified swipe at the gardai again for no reason. The gunshop owner gave a very good summary of the firearms and the requirements.

bullets · 15-02-2012 09:56PM

So....Both RTE show the other night and the TV3 show tonight had nothing
negative to say about licensed firearms owners.

Other that the reporter using the term "weapons" in the interview piece
and not being corrected I could not see anything negative in either of the broadcasts for Irish gunowners.

~B

Cass · 15-02-2012 09:59PM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

There is that. They managed, for the most part, to focus on gun crime.

pheasntstalker · 15-02-2012 10:01PM

well interesting to say the least ,but same old drivel, different programe:rolleyes:nothing we havnt heard before:rolleyes:

kildarejoe · 15-02-2012 10:02PM

Ezridax wrote: »

Why the Christ didn't he show a copy of an FCA1. With 9 pages, doctors details, security requirments, referees, etc, etc. Far more "impressive" than a note with the dealers letter heading on it, and shows what we do have to go through to get a firearm. From the reporting any person looking at it that has no experience with a firearm application process will think you only need to pass an interview.

Also 3 - 8 weeks for a license. thats on the good end of the scale. What about the legal tmeframe of 3 months not to mention the year some people wait.

That wouldent make good watching now would it.

Also I noticed a sly dig at "smaller" guns and the ability to concealability of them, (did I spell that right) earlier they mentioned that criminals steal shotguns from farms etc.

Although they did actually mention that criminals do get their guns and drugs smuggeled in together.

Also dont forget the magic of editing, there might have been alot more to the actual interviews with des crofton and yer man from gorey but the sexy bits will be taken for viewing and the boring factual parts will be on the cutting room floor.

pheasntstalker · 15-02-2012 10:07PM

i suppose they did differentate between us and scrumbags

BattleCorp · 15-02-2012 10:13PM

I always fear when I see programmes on guns advertised as they tend to do us way more harm than good.

As these programmes go, it didn't seem to badmouth us so that has to be taken as a positive.

Pity that none of the panelists were from the shooting community though. If just one person on telly stressed the difference between legitimate licenced firearm holders and dirty rotten scumbags it would do us the world of good with the general public.

They still love to bring up Abbeylara and yer man in Norway though. Two nuts out of countless gun holders.

A few nurses have gone mad over the years and killed patients,........................ lets ban nurses

cavan shooter · 15-02-2012 10:13PM

I watched it ready to flick to another station.....I didn't, balanced is a word that jumps to mind

BattleCorp · 15-02-2012 10:15PM

pheasntstalker wrote: »

i suppose they did differentate between us and scrumbags

They did slightly differentiate between legitimate gun holders and illegal gun holders but it was a kind of blurred and you'd have to be paying close attention to notice it.

The point wasn't stressed enough in my opinion.

BattleCorp · 15-02-2012 10:18PM

cavan shooter wrote: »

I watched it ready to flick to another station.....I didn't, balanced is a word that jumps to mind

The one thing that did seem unbalanced was the info on the process of getting a licence for a firearm.

It seemed like all you had to do was rock up to the gunshop, pick out a gun, meet your Super and away you go 3 weeks later. No mention of medical checkups etc etc.

Not exactly that handy now, is it.

bullets · 15-02-2012 10:24PM

Was getting the feeling the show was more anti Limerick rather than anti Gun!
with the amount of times the place was mentioned.

~B

pheasntstalker · 15-02-2012 10:35PM

i hear ya on on the attention bit i was trying to watch an listen to it and 3 different conversions at the same time, lol,they should as already stated had someone from legitamite licenced hunting/shooting on the panel to stress the big differences between us and scrumbags,and explain in detail the licence process an medical checks etc

pheasntstalker · 15-02-2012 10:47PM

yeh bullets i got that impression tbh aswell, just because of a small no of criminal elaments, but its not just limerick, shootings are now starting to branch out countrywide slowly but surely, they also kept bringing up abbeylara as well,they just keep regurgating the some stuff everytime ,is a murder trail or gang or feud relateded shooting imho:rolleyes:its getting old news now

Vizzy · 15-02-2012 10:58PM

Whever I watch any of this type of documentary, I do so with a "take it with a grain of salt" attitude.
If there are no negatives towards legitimate gun licence holders,then i take that as the best we can hope for and tonight was no different.
I thought that the show was quite good and had no negative "leanings" towards us.
Bear in mind lads the show was entitled "Gun Crime Ireland" and there was no hope that it would do anything other than highlight that guns in the wrong hands would always lead to a bad outcome.
Me ?, well I'm off to walk the dog,safe in the knowledge that my firearm is fully licenced and f**k the begrudgers:D

Grizzly 45 · 15-02-2012 11:54PM

BattleCorp wrote: »

They still love to bring up Abbeylara and yer man in Norway though. Two nuts out of countless gun holders.

A few nurses have gone mad over the years and killed patients,........................ lets ban nurses

Nah..Lets ban doctors...Considering Doctor Harold Shipman has killed more people than Micheal Ryan,Thos Hamilton, and Roual Moate and the few others in the UK than all the shooting sprees put together!!!

More drivel of the same kind to be expected by these shows!!Abbylara wasnt a shooting spree in the first place,more like death by cop..and what a terrorist incident in a country where there are stringent firearms laws has to do with gun crime in Ireland is beyond me!!
You will just always have this from the media whores...Dont expect ever a rational debate of this issue on the stupidifier in the corner of your living room.You are dealing with soundbites of info here,and people trying to hear their own voices rather than what the opposite opinion is!!
Looking at the way that dopey Miriam O Callaghan conducts herself on slimetime
I am amazed anyone ever gets a word not to mind answer in edgewise with her butting in halfway through.
[Fair dues to G Dubya Bush and Martin Mc Guinness for putting in her box when she kept interrupting them.]
So,I wouldnt be too upset anymore what a bunch of talking heads,talking turkey say in our media anymore.Its another rigged game.

rowa · 16-02-2012 12:13AM

Why in a program called "gun crime ireland" did they interview a woman whose partner was shot in spain ? I thought they did mention limerick too much also.

Farmlife · 16-02-2012 12:21AM

BattleCorp wrote: »

Pity that none of the panelists were from the shooting community though. If just one person on telly stressed the difference between legitimate licenced firearm holders and dirty rotten scumbags it would do us the world of good with the general public.

I think the majority of nation understand this with having to be told it. :rolleyes:

Cass · 16-02-2012 12:27AM

They believe they do/can until some tragedy occurs, and they seek to lash out at guns irrespective of their ownership status, legality, etc.

So who suffers? The legitimate gun owners because we are known, can be easily affected, and results of actions levied at us are almost immediate.

I agree that on a whole the programme kept pretty much to the topic, but when they introduced the legal firearms issue we should be putting on the best face/show we can. We did not get that. Irrespective of editing, pieces cut out, etc what we saw was once again not reflective of our position as legal gun owners.

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