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Sites Using Pyro

  • 14-02-2012 10:28pm
    #1
    _ricochet_
    Registered Users Posts: 112 ✭✭


    What is it about some sites openly admitting using pyro on their site, I'm sick of it at this stage. I'm not naming the place but if your on facebook you have probably seen it.


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  • #2
    Stormxv1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Stormxv1


    What exactly are you "sick" of?


  • #3
    ronan keane
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,414 ✭✭✭ronan keane


    Stormxv1 wrote: »
    What exactly are you "sick" of?

    I believe he is sick of sites using illegalities openly such as Pyro.


  • #4
    thermo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,439 ✭✭✭✭thermo


    _ricochet_ wrote: »
    What is it about some sites openly admitting using pyro on their site, I'm sick of it at this stage. I'm not naming the place but if your on facebook you have probably seen it.

    who is it? im not on book face................. you could pm me?


  • #5
    Stormxv1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Stormxv1


    Do they come under the same catagory as fireworks so?Even a smoke grenade?


  • #6
    Witcher
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,638 ✭✭✭✭Witcher


    Stormxv1 wrote: »
    Do they come under the same catagory as fireworks so?Even a smoke grenade?

    Yep, anything with pyro requires a permit.


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  • #7
    Stormxv1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 116 ✭✭Stormxv1


    Ah didnt know the smokers would be too....whoops :pac:


  • #8
    sliabh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭sliabh


    _ricochet_ wrote: »
    What is it about some sites openly admitting using pyro on their site,
    I presume they either don't care or don't know that it is illegal, or feel it is only a "touch of illegal".
    _ricochet_ wrote: »
    I'm sick of it at this stage.
    So do something about it. Let the site know it is illegal and/or tell the Guards.

    Coming on here with a "something terrible is happening, somewhere I am not saying, and I am sick of it" is just being a drama queen.
    _ricochet_ wrote: »
    I'm not naming the place but if your on facebook you have probably seen it.
    Only if you are linked to that site. But are you referring to this picture that was posted by <edit: some site>, or is there more than one place bothering you?
    426414_373756985985426_303240226370436_1393868_119479748_n.jpg


  • #9
    Zomg Okay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,169 ✭✭✭Zomg Okay


    sliabh wrote: »
    But are you referring to this picture that was posted by the owners of an indoor site in Munster with the title "Gonna have fun Wednesday haha"]

    Can you pm me the name of this site, please?


  • #10
    sliabh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭sliabh


    Zomg Okay wrote: »
    Can you pm me the name of this site, please?
    As they have posted this publicly themselves on Facebook I don't think there is a problem with identifying the site here (mods correct me if you feel differently). The site is <snip>.

    <more snip>


  • #11
    Steve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    I had to remove some of your post sliabh, pm on the way. :)


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  • #12
    Decoy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭Decoy


    Storm in a tea cup. The said on their FB page that "Only marshals that have a pyro course done can use them", this would seem to comply with the pyrotechnic legislation. If anyone intends to play there with pyro in use and are unsure of the situation then they should ask to see the relevant pyro training certificates & request confirmation that the site insurance covers the use of pyro.

    I'm all for protecting our hobby and will always question the legality of anything I think looks dodgy but perhaps people should ensure they understand the situation in full before getting upset?


  • #13
    Steve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    All:
    Please do not associate any identifiable entity with any accusations / implications of illegal activity as this may land us in trouble.

    The topic is fine as long as it's kept 'general'.

    If you're unsure about what you can or cannot post, my PM inbox is open.


  • #14
    sliabh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭sliabh


    Steve wrote: »
    I had to remove some of your post sliabh, pm on the way. :)
    No worries. I may have been jumping a little too far ahead in my assumptions.


  • #15
    Puding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Puding


    Decoy wrote: »
    Storm in a tea cup. The said on their FB page that "Only marshals that have a pyro course done can use them", this would seem to comply with the pyrotechnic legislation. If anyone intends to play there with pyro in use and are unsure of the situation then they should ask to see the relevant pyro training certificates & request confirmation that the site insurance covers the use of pyro.

    I'm all for protecting our hobby and will always question the legality of anything I think looks dodgy but perhaps people should ensure they understand the situation in full before getting upset?

    only added after the picture popped up hear, tbh loads of sites doing this it is relatively easy to purchase this stuff and have it imported from the uk, most sites do not even know the law and just by them online

    personally I see it as rather recluse by sites as they're leaving them open to problems if a local super wants and excuse to shut them down

    it is another one of those elephants in the room that no one talks about,. all you have to do is look over a few of the pages for sites around Ireland you can find lots of examples of this

    (and yes I have asked a couple of sites if they have license or know the law and tbh you just get laughed at)


  • #16
    sliabh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭sliabh


    Decoy wrote: »
    Storm in a tea cup. The said on their FB page that "Only marshals that have a pyro course done can use them", this would seem to comply with the pyrotechnic legislation.
    It's my understanding that trained personnel is not a sufficient requirement. I believe (and I am open to correction here) that the site itself has to be licensed as well. I think that is the fundamental question - Is the site licensed?

    Regardless, I am not entirely sure it is advisable to be letting off smoke in an indoor location. Even outdoors it leaves me coughing and spluttering.


  • #17
    Puding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Puding


    sliabh wrote: »
    It's my understanding that trained personnel is not a sufficient requirement. I believe (and I am open to correction here) that the site itself has to be licensed as well. I think that is the fundamental question - Is the site licensed?

    Regardless, I am not entirely sure it is advisable to be letting off smoke in an indoor location. Even outdoors it leaves me coughing and spluttering.

    most sites in the will restrict their use to outdoors for this reason


  • #18
    bullets
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭bullets


    I always get a little annoyed when I see pics up viewable to the public of
    of sites with pyro being used usually followed by pics of fellas wearing
    their current Issue Irish DPM with their rank markings taken off.

    Pet peev of mine.

    Would like to know which sites or which marshells actually are
    legally authorized to use things like this. Thought there was only 1 place
    all above board.....with others ignorant of the law or pretending they are ignorant of the law...or just not giving a crap.

    If sites are going to do things like this at least fer feck sake dont
    provide the world with evidence that could get your favorite skirmishing
    grounds closed down for good.

    (I'm not talking about any one single site, talking in general across all of Ireland)

    ~B


  • #19
    c-90
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 587 ✭✭✭c-90


    sliabh wrote: »
    It's my understanding that trained personnel is not a sufficient requirement. I believe (and I am open to correction here) that the site itself has to be licensed as well. I think that is the fundamental question - Is the site licensed?

    Regardless, I am not entirely sure it is advisable to be letting off smoke in an indoor location. Even outdoors it leaves me coughing and spluttering.



    man up or go away, once a site is legally using pyro there should be no compaints apart from there aint enough. it takes alot for a site to use pyro legally including being passed off by a fire officer. so if its being used legally then its safe.


  • #20
    Puding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Puding


    c-90 wrote: »
    man up or go away, once a site is legally using pyro there should be no compaints apart from there aint enough.

    'man up' serious? great attitude


  • #21
    hellfireie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 345 ✭✭hellfireie


    http://www.airsoftireland.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=9195

    REPUBLIC OF IRELAND

    The 1875 Act provides that fireworks and pyrotechnics may only be imported into Ireland with an importation licence granted by the Tánaiste and it is current policy to only issue licenses for the importation of fireworks used in organised displays, conducted by “professional/ competent operators”. In effect, this policy means that the only fireworks imported into the State and “legally held” are those used in professional displays. All other fireworks imported, held, sold or used in this country are illegal and any person in possession of fireworks without a valid licence is liable to prosecution.


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  • #22
    hellfireie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 345 ✭✭hellfireie


    the website where the pyro in the photo where bought is based in the uk Darlington
    Co. Durham
    DL1 2NW

    they ship to Ireland and have a .ie address on there website. Just because you can order this stuff online doesn't make it any more legal in this country simple because you can get it.

    I'm sure if the named site is full above board they wouldn't have a problem in producing there importation licence granted by the Tánaiste and clearance from there local super stating the pyro is legally held and being used in professional display/s

    Failing that they have just left themselves open to prosecution. The law is the Law if you agree with it or not


  • #23
    c-90
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 587 ✭✭✭c-90


    Puding wrote: »
    'man up' serious? great attitude

    so dressing up as essentially a soldier or combatant of some kind and running around replicating war or combat of some kind getting shot at with and shooting 6mm plastic pellets is ok but running through a little smoke isnt?

    accusing a site that for the best of anyone on heres knowledge of breaking the law is also a "great attitude"


    and people wonder why airsoft is frowned upon.

    @hellfireie using pyro at an aisoft game (if used by legally trained and signed off operators) is for professional display. its not going to be used for blowing down walls or shooting helicopters out of the sky its used for adding to the imersion, making it more realistic. its for the observation of players.


  • #24
    Puding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Puding


    accusing a site that for the best of anyone on heres knoledge of breaking the law is also a "great attitude"

    i mentioned no names, the point is this is the elephant in the room, some sites are 100% using phyros without a license fact, i think discussing it rather than sticking our heads in the sand is a ''good attitude'' being irresponsible with peoples heath is a bad attitude i can not see it any other way

    this type of activity could have a negative effect on the hobby

    your introducing smoke in an inclosed environment that can irritate breathing and eyes with people using goggle and masks, maning up is not an option, common sense is what is needed


  • #25
    hellfireie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 345 ✭✭hellfireie


    Thats fine once they can prove there licenced and its all above board


  • #26
    c-90
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 587 ✭✭✭c-90


    Puding wrote: »
    i the point is this is the
    your introducing smoke in an inclosed environment that can irritate breathing and eyes with people using goggle and masks, maning up is not an option, common sense is what is needed

    "I presume they either don't care or don't know that it is illegal, or feel it is only a "touch of illegal".

    did you not say this, because this implies to me that you think something illegal is going on. when in fact you have no idea to wheather it is legal or not.

    we'll just have to differ on the smoke point but i assumed if you were sensitive to these things youd just not play there or sit it out. instead of depriving other players of fun.
    hellfireie wrote: »
    Thats fine once they can prove there licenced and its all above board

    that is fine. but nobody on here has the right to start a thread bitching about a site when they havent even contactd the site owner to see if it was legal. theres too much of a shoot everything down attitude on the forum.


    just for the record i dont know or have ever player or have any affiliation with the site.


  • #27
    sliabh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭sliabh


    c-90 wrote: »
    man up or go away, once a site is legally using pyro there should be no compaints apart from there aint enough. it takes alot for a site to use pyro legally including being passed off by a fire officer. so if its being used legally then its safe.
    All true, but there is no evidence that the site has a cert at this time. HRTA was the only one, and it's news to me if another site has been given permission.

    I'd like to see a scan of their cert which would make this whole discussion go away.

    It it is legal it's not a problem, so they need to prove they are legal.


  • #28
    Puding
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,261 ✭✭✭Puding


    "I presume they either don't care or don't know that it is illegal, or feel it is only a "touch of illegal".

    did you not say this, because this implies to me that you think something illegal is going on. when in fact you have no idea to wheather it is legal or not.

    as far as i can remember I have not said that, i think you're confusing me with sliabh

    we'll just have to differ on the smoke point but i assumed if you were sensitive to these things youd just not play there or sit it out. instead of depriving other players of fun.

    we're not going to agree or change each other views so we will just have to agree to disagree on this


  • #29
    spooky donkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,042 ✭✭✭spooky donkey


    sliabh wrote: »
    I'd like to see a scan of their cert which would make this whole discussion go away.
    .

    Why such concern? Every time you get in a TAXI do you ask the guy if he has a drivers licence?
    If laws are being broken its up to the Guardi to enforce them not us...


  • #30
    c-90
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 587 ✭✭✭c-90


    sliabh wrote: »
    All true, but there is no evidence that the site has a cert at this time. HRTA was the only one, and it's news to me if another site has been given permission.

    I'd like to see a scan of their cert which would make this whole discussion go away.

    It it is legal it's not a problem, so they need to prove they are legal.

    where do you get off pal. this would be like me stopping you in the street and asking to see if you had a licence. if you were playing on the site then maybe you could ask a question like this but to ask for a site to prove to you, who are you? over an internet forum that they have a permit is rediculous.
    Puding wrote: »
    as far as i can remember I have not said that, i think you're confusing me with sliabh

    i apologise mistook you for sliabh


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  • #31
    sliabh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭sliabh


    spooky donkey wrote: »
    Why such concern?
    Because Airsoft as a sport sits in a place where it can get banned or restricted out of existence at the drop of a hat/stroke of a ministers pen.

    We need to show that we are not the dangerous irresponsible military fanatics that certain sections of the media portray us as. And a big part of that is managing our sport in a way that is safe and follows the law.

    I'd love it if pyros were freely available, but I am not going to advocate breaking the law to get them.
    spooky donkey wrote: »
    Every time you get in a TAXI do you ask the guy if he has a drivers licence?
    I don't have to, it is on display on the dash. But in a country with tens of thousands of licensed taxis I can safely assume that a plate on the back, and a sign on top means the guy is legit. But for airsoft sites pyro licenses are the exception. I know how much trouble the Bellurgan guys went to unsuccessfully trying to get a licence for the Rionegro game last year. So in this case the onus is on the site to do everything to demonstrate that they are authorised.
    spooky donkey wrote: »
    If laws are being broken its up to the Guardi to enforce them not us...
    And the Guards will enforce them. But there is nothing wrong with bringing it to their attention that laws are being broken.


  • #32
    OzCam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭OzCam


    I'm going from memory here, so I could be forgetting something, but you need:
    • An Importation Certificate (which takes 12 weeks to get)
    • Trained & certified Pyro Operators
    • A Safety Management plan for the event, including Fire and Evacuation plans, which will get you...
    • Permission from your local Fire Officer, which along with the Import Cert will get you...
    • Permission from your local Super.

    If you have all of the above, you're fine & dandy. If not, you're in possession of unlicensed explosives.

    I don't like this situation one bit, but it's the law. Until it's changed, we can't expect any respect from the Powers That Be if we just decide to ignore any law that doesn't suit us. And we have no hope whatsoever of getting the laws changed until we establish some credibility.


    See also, from 18 months ago.


  • #33
    Lemming
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,148 ✭✭✭✭Lemming


    c-90 wrote: »
    where do you get off pal. this would be like me stopping you in the street and asking to see if you had a licence. if you were playing on the site then maybe you could ask a question like this but to ask for a site to prove to you, who are you? over an internet forum that they have a permit is rediculous.

    The out patients have been given a day out I see.

    I have never - and I repeat - NEVER, been to a site in the UK (where pryo is the legal norm) that allowed the use of smoke pyro indoors. Funnily enough because of the strong intensity of fumes pumped out, the strong potential for player injury due to obstructed vision, and the very real possibility of aggrivating existing respitory conditions in some players.

    So what makes you think that it's a case of "man up", or do the rules of common sense not apply? Or are you just Matt Damon?

    Further, any site that has a cert wouldn't have a problem furnishing it now would they?


  • #34
    OzCam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭OzCam


    BTW, the Importation Certificate is an absolute work of art; foil stamping, holograms, banknote-quality paper, the whole 8.2296 metres. We may be broke, but we can still produce great-looking paperwork.

    Anyone who had one would be delighted to show it off. Framed.


  • #35
    sliabh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭sliabh


    c-90 wrote: »
    if you were playing on the site then maybe you could ask a question like this but to ask for a site to prove to you, who are you? over an internet forum that they have a permit is rediculous.
    These guys are looking for my business (they aren't on facebook to show to their Mum how many friends they have) and are publicising the fact they use pyros on their site (via the internet).

    As a potential customer (I chose to play in LAC last weekend, but I considered going to this place instead) I am perfectly entitled to ask if they are properly authorised before I turn up and hand over my money. Just as I can ask what their opening hours are, what FPS limits they have, do they ban automatic fire indoors (I believe they don't), do they require full face protection, or do they have toilets.

    If practically every site in the country had pyro certs I would give them the benefit of the doubt. But to the best of my knowledge none do. So the onus is on them to show they are in compliance with the law, and I am perfectly entitled to ask.


  • #36
    Gatling
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Being the site has an address ,a call to the local station one thing these retarded people. never seem to forget what posted on the internet stays on the internet wonder. who's insuring this site too pyro indoors
    360_F_102352090_ie3kLjDIvgrT1sxVDknWCUh8PxgMYzM7.jpg




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  • #37
    bullets
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭bullets


    OzCam wrote: »
    BTW, the Importation Certificate is an absolute work of art; foil stamping, holograms, banknote-quality paper, the whole 8.2296 metres. We may be broke, but we can still produce great-looking paperwork.

    Anyone who had one would be delighted to show it off. Framed.

    I've never seen one, would like to see one out of Curiosity anyone got any
    pics on what one would look like ?

    The HRTA course that was run last year only had 7-8 people enrolled didnt it?
    If its the same cert as the cert thats used for holding black powder are these even being issued anymore? (I dont know I'm just curious)

    ~B


  • #38
    andy_g
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,561 ✭✭✭andy_g


    Post naming site has been removed please refrain from mentioning sites that are not here to defend themselves.


  • #39
    sliabh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,011 ✭✭✭sliabh


    andy_g wrote: »
    Post naming site has been removed please refrain from mentioning sites that are not here to defend themselves.

    Just sent you a PM on this.


  • #40
    spooky donkey
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,042 ✭✭✭spooky donkey


    sliabh wrote: »
    Because Airsoft as a sport sits in a place where it can get banned or restricted out of existence at the drop of a hat/stroke of a ministers pen.

    We need to show that we are not the dangerous irresponsible military fanatics that certain sections of the media portray us as. And a big part of that is managing our sport in a way that is safe and follows the law..

    I think the lack of accidents on airsoft sites demonstrate this fine.
    I agree it could get baned as a sport with the nanny state and would hate to see it happen.
    sliabh wrote: »
    I don't have to, it is on display on the dash. But in a country with tens of thousands of licensed taxis I can safely assume that a plate on the back, and a sign on top means the guy is legit. But for airsoft sites pyro licenses are the exception. I know how much trouble the Bellurgan guys went to unsuccessfully trying to get a licence for the Rionegro game last year. So in this case the onus is on the site to do everything to demonstrate that they are authorised...

    Taxis display their carriage lincence on the dash not their driving licence and there has been a peice on tv recentlly about all the illegal taxi`s being rented out to anyone with the mula to rent them.
    Also ive never seen any documentation on buses to say the drivers are anyway legal, im sure they are it just never worries me enough to ask.
    sliabh wrote: »
    And the Guards will enforce them. But there is nothing wrong with bringing it to their attention that laws are being broken.

    True, But I think the guards in Limerick have bigger fish to fry....


  • #41
    Jsmurff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭Jsmurff


    I've been to this site many times and have thoroughly enjoyed it. I also know that the staff there are on the level and know what their doing. Fair enough smoke grenades in an indoor situation sounds bad BUT this is a massive open plan warehouse with a plywood shanty town built into and has many meters of head space I could actually predict the smoke just instantly rising above everybody's heads and being completely useless but fun is fun.

    On the issue of the gaurdai, one was called out to an incident a couple of weeks ago at the site and he seamed very knowledgeable in the legalitys of Airsoft and was actual very intrigued about the rif's (in a good way) and actually had a go of an aeg and rather liked it :) And although a lot of us were kitted out from head to looking like real world military and PMC operatives he really saw us for what we were… A bunch of 12 year olds playing cops and robbers :D


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  • #42
    Steve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    andy_g wrote: »
    Post naming site has been removed please refrain from mentioning sites that are not here to defend themselves.
    Just to explain further (and for the sake of transparency), I told sliabh at the time I edited his post that I was OK with the site being named.

    The thread has moved on a bit since then and I've subsequently removed that and may need to edit some more posts.

    Folks, please do not associate any implications of illegal activity with an identifiable entity as this is grounds for a defamation action against boards and against the user concerned.
    As I said previously, please keep this discussion 'general' or we'll have no option but to close it.

    Thanks.


  • #43
    Steve
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,584 ✭✭✭✭Steve


    /back on topic...

    Why can't / don't sites use fog machines - same as the ones you see in nightclubs etc?

    Surely this would have the same effect?


  • #44
    gerrowadat
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,363 ✭✭✭gerrowadat


    Steve wrote: »
    /back on topic...

    Why can't / don't sites use fog machines - same as the ones you see in nightclubs etc?

    Surely this would have the same effect?

    Sites have used fog machines. They're kind of useless outside though.


  • #45
    OzCam
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,045 ✭✭✭OzCam


    I think it could work for indoor sites, but there are very few that want to put any effort into theatrics.

    You'd still need to have a safety statement done, though. Not much interest in that either :(


  • #46
    Stonewolf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,132 ✭✭✭Stonewolf


    The fact is that pyros are illegal. Full stop. If a site has gone to a lot of trouble to get certified then well done to them, let's see some proof, let's also see proof from every single marshal on duty that they are also personally certified because anything less would be reckless, and not forgetting proof that all the players using them are certified because it's the law. Let's see proof that they were imported legally and not sold to the players on site (that would also be illegal). Let's see some evidence of a safety brief/warning being given to non pyro using players regarding pyros being in use because that's prudent.

    The fact is it may be a stupid law, but for the good of the game we will all follow it because the last thing we want is a perception of our beloved hobby as people who ignore the law where it suits them.

    Would I play on a site that had non legal pyros? No, because who knows what other laws (like the 1J one) they might be ignoring. I've never come across pyros being used on a site and hope I never will because my response will be to phone the Guards, no ifs, no buts, no maybes.
    If laws are being broken its up to the Guardi to enforce them not us...

    WRONG. If you see a crime being committed it is your duty to report it immediately.


  • #47
    Lemming
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    Steve wrote: »
    /back on topic...

    Why can't / don't sites use fog machines - same as the ones you see in nightclubs etc?

    Surely this would have the same effect?

    I'm sure Paul who ran hrta could give you an informed professional opinion on how smoke pyro works vs. machine-generated smoke. But in my uninformed and admittedly guesswork opinion, I should imagine that smoke machines generate smoke in a controlled fashion using a different chemical process to smoke pyro which is designed to simply pump out as much smoke as possible in as short a length of time as possible. If you have ever moved through the smoke generated by a smoke grenade vs. smoke at a nightclub, the smell is distinctly different (suggesting different chemical mixture)- and far more odorously offensive from a grenade.

    Speaking from personal experience, the heat generated in putting out smoke from a grenade is intense. I know this because I have had the misfortune to have smoke pyro ignite whilst in a pouch on my belt, resulting in so much heat being generated that a pistol - in self same pouch - was destroyed, with enough heat transferring through the pistol and the thick material of the pouch against my hip and burning a perfect imprint of the pistol onto my trousers.

    Any health & safety/insurance impact statement would probably also make mention of the fact that people are running around and firing BBs whilst potentially unaware of what is around them at close proximity, which might also raise a few problems in itself.

    Anyway, that's my educated guess.


  • #48
    Jsmurff
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    Ok they clearly stated and I know for a fact that they would not just hand them to any players full stop

    Infact they didn't say they would so don't start making accusations based on lies from your own mouth :mad:

    Furthermore, they said they were licences to obtain and use pyro and they clearly stated that their TWO FULLY TRAINED MARSHALS will be THE ONLY ones using them.

    Now stop being apart of the Nany state stonewolf


  • #49
    se conman
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    Where did they say that Jsmurff ?


  • #50
    Jsmurff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,621 ✭✭✭Jsmurff


    On the same page they posted the picture on face book


  • #51
    sliabh
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    Lemming wrote: »
    But in my uninformed and admittedly guesswork opinion, I should imagine that smoke machines generate smoke in a controlled fashion using a different chemical process to smoke pyro which is designed to simply pump out as much smoke as possible in as short a length of time as possible.
    The smoke, or more usually termed "fog" machines are based on vaporising some substance which can be anything from CO2 to Nitrogen to glycol solutions to kerosene (what I used for a smoke machine I built in college when I was doing Engineering).

    Pyros are that - pyrotechnics, they use combustion to produce the smoke, so what is produced are smoke and chemical particles rather than a vapour.


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