Would you wear clothing with the British Flag on it?

Fratton Fred · 19-01-2012 11:31AM

Cú Giobach wrote: »

As Antony Beevoir put it in his book Berlin.....

"Attitudes to the war varied between armies. Idealistic Americans and Canadians felt that they had a duty to rescue the old world, then return home as soon as possible...........French regular officers in particular were focused on revenge for the humiliations of 1940.........In the British Army, however, a newly arrived officer might believe that he had come to take part in 'a life and death struggle for democracy and the freedom of the world', but found out instead the war was 'treated as an incident in regimental history against a reasonably sporting opponent'. Nothing, needless to say, could have been further from the Russian view."

Have you met many who fought in the Red Army on the Eastern front? Many of them were amazed that German children were just like Russian ones.

And he's off again, "lets not blame the government, it was the peoples own fault".
I suppose the Stalinist regime weren't fully responsible for the famine in the USSR in the 30's, because the very same kind of incidents happened there as did in Ireland, as happens with famines worldwide.
In such horror the vast majority end up looking after themselves and their own. Your beloved UCC treatise explains this behaviour quite well, of course you never quote that bit.

"He's off again"

That's right, hide behind the "This is an Irish boartd and no one is allowed to suggest that the Irish are anything but perfect".

How about you re-read what I wrote and comment on that rather than simple (to quote Nodin) deflection.

Brendog · 19-01-2012 11:36AM

Whatever about the British flag, I wouldn't wear anything with a union jack on it.

I don't know why. Its just something I wouldn't do.

kylith · 19-01-2012 11:56AM

I wouldn't wear any item of clothing with any flag on it, even the Irish one, because I think it looks tacky.

However I can't believe how many shops sell Union flag t-shirts, mugs, cushions, and even Christmas tree decorations. Whatever about a pair of shoes with a wee British tag on them how many Irish people are going to buy a matching set of Union flag cushions, decorate their tree with Union baubles and sleep under a Union duvet cover?

LordSutch · 19-01-2012 12:02PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

You are a child of the Irish diaspora. You are Birmingham-Irish, that is why you don't feel Irish or British. You are a hybrid of the two cultures, and don't feel a sense of belonging to your place of birth. That is the reason.

Fair enough, we inderstand the very complex issue about having mixed Hybrid nationality (Irish parents, English born), but why has he got such hatred for the country of his birth? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e0/MorrisseyIBEH.jpg/220px-MorrisseyIBEH.jpg

Personally I hate neither Ireland or England, indeed I love them both, admittedly there are nationalistic camps in both countries that I disagree with, but It wouldn't lead me to just say "I hate the British" or that I hate the Irish, that would be ill informed, ignorant, and sad really, his loss . . . . .

Cú Giobach · 19-01-2012 12:03PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

How about you re-read what I wrote and comment on that rather than simple (to quote Nodin) deflection.

That's right, hide behind the "This is an Irish boartd and no one is allowed to suggest that the Irish are anything but perfect".

You come out with the two comments quoted in one post, Fred you are loosing your touch.
I comment on your continued blaming of people put into a crisis situation for their actions and you come up with this "Irish are anything but perfect" crap (which is becoming a bit of a boring mantra from you), the words practise what you preach comes to mind.
By the way, who do you think is responsible for the deaths of people trampled to death by panicking crowds in a fire, those who did the trampling or those who disregarded the fire safety codes thereby resulting in the fire?

brummytom · 19-01-2012 12:06PM

LordSutch wrote: »

Fair enough, we inderstand the very complex issue about having mixed Hybrid nationality (Irish parents, English born), but why has he got such hatred for the country of his birth? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/e0/MorrisseyIBEH.jpg/220px-MorrisseyIBEH.jpg

Personally I hate neither Ireland or England, indeed I love them both, admittedly there are nationalistic camps in both countries that I disagree with, but It wouldn't lead me to just say "I hate the British" or that I hate the Irish, that would be ill informed, ignorant, and sad really, his loss . . . . .

Sorry, I know it's not really important, but I did clarify my comments:

brummytom wrote: »

Maybe I was a bit extreme. I hate those who are proud of Britain/nationalists, and everything Britain as a nation has done. There are plenty of sound people, but I disagree with them when it comes to national identity. I couldn't believe the amount of hate I got when I refused to wear a poppy.

Standard Toaster · 19-01-2012 12:17PM

Jayus, 17 pages of this.

/unsubs

Fratton Fred · 19-01-2012 01:34PM

Cú Giobach wrote: »

You come out with the two comments quoted in one post, Fred you are loosing your touch.
I comment on your continued blaming of people put into a crisis situation for their actions and you come up with this "Irish are anything but perfect" crap (which is becoming a bit of a boring mantra from you), the words practise what you preach comes to mind.
By the way, who do you think is responsible for the deaths of people trampled to death by panicking crowds in a fire, those who did the trampling or those who disregarded the fire safety codes thereby resulting in the fire?

The people who ignored the codes are responsible, the victims are not.

People who lock doors and charge fleeing people to leave should also saddle the blame.

People sat five hundred miles away who are in no way connected to the tragedy share no blame at all, but for some reason, they keep getting the finger pointed at them.

Fratton Fred · 19-01-2012 01:37PM

kylith wrote: »

I wouldn't wear any item of clothing with any flag on it, even the Irish one, because I think it looks tacky.

However I can't believe how many shops sell Union flag t-shirts, mugs, cushions, and even Christmas tree decorations. Whatever about a pair of shoes with a wee British tag on them how many Irish people are going to buy a matching set of Union flag cushions, decorate their tree with Union baubles and sleep under a Union duvet cover?

That always amuses me, as does Argos selling England cricket gear in Ireland.

That comes down to multinationals shipping stock numbers not products and not realising what they are putting on the shelves.

old hippy · 19-01-2012 01:43PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

I don't just hate British people.
I also hate Africans, Roma Gypsies, and Asylum Seekers that have been refused entry to the UK, then come to Ireland instead of returning to their country of origin.
Yes, British culture is massive, so is American culture. But I am not a fan of globalisation. Ireland has lost its sovereignty and identity. We are no longer Irish, we are European. I think the Irish have lost their identity, and Ireland has too many immigrants.
I prefer Irish culture to British culture. That's my personal choice, and I respect that not all Irish feel the same. Maybe its because I was born in London and lived there for a long time, so British culture reached saturation pint for me.

I try not to hate anyone (esp because they aren't my colour or entertain my belief system) but do you know what, I'd contemplate making an exception in your case. What a rancid, small minded little post.

vicwatson · 19-01-2012 01:44PM

I wear Karrimor outdoor clothing and their symbol is the shape of the Union Jack (though usually not the red, white and blue colours), I couldn't care less to be honest.

julanont · 19-01-2012 01:45PM

No don't think i'd wear anything with a British flag on.

old hippy · 19-01-2012 01:47PM

Lanaier wrote: »

Not to detract from your point (I have not read enough of this thread to say I agree or disagree with whatever the major arguments are)
but I've heard this line so many times now that I'm strongly doubting it's credibility whenever I hear it.

Tell me about it; I've been asked those questions so often it drives me to distraction :rolleyes:

Chriscl1 · 19-01-2012 01:58PM

vicwatson wrote: »

I wear Karrimor outdoor clothing and their symbol is the shape of the Union Jack (though usually not the red, white and blue colours), I couldn't care less to be honest.

I was wearing a karrimor t shirt yesterday and only noticed that when I looked down at the back to back k's and was wondering if it was meant to symbolise the union flag, if it does then I'm not bothered it's only a t shirt.

tipptom · 19-01-2012 02:00PM

We go to some of the Mod and ska events,wouldnt mind wearing the bulls eye on clothes to much but wouldnt wear the union jack even though i think some of the "This is England" gear is pretty cool,loved all that era in England at the time and all that but wearing a Union Jack just would not sit right with me.

bgo1 · 19-01-2012 02:00PM

No thanks. Will let the brits enjoy carrying their own flag.

fryup · 19-01-2012 02:17PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

In the Brit pop era of the 1990's it was Blur who plastered themselves with Union Jack's, not Oasis.
Liam and Noel are proud of the fact they are Manchester-Irish.

oh ya, take a look at this :cool:

proud to be irish my arse

Feisar · 19-01-2012 02:21PM

fryup wrote: »

oh ya, take a look at this :cool:

proud to be irish my arse

Dirty Protest???

old hippy · 19-01-2012 02:25PM

Feisar wrote: »

Dirty Protest???

Talentless Beatles rip off combo smear **** music all over their wonderwalls...

Mickey Dazzler · 19-01-2012 02:26PM

No I couldnt wear the butchers apron.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 19-01-2012 02:27PM

fryup wrote: »

oh ya, take a look at this :cool:

proud to be irish my arse

Noel had a Union Flag guitar he used on tour around 95/96 as well. Both the lads embrace their Irish roots but they do consider themselves British.

old hippy · 19-01-2012 02:27PM

Mickey Dazzler wrote: »

No I couldnt wear the butchers apron.

Tbf, all flags are drenched in blood

fryup · 19-01-2012 02:29PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Noel had a Union Flag guitar he used on tour around 95/96 as well. Both the lads embrace their Irish roots but they do consider themselves British.

and there's nothing wrong with that, but don't be telling me they're paddys

Batsy · 19-01-2012 02:31PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Noel had a Union Flag guitar he used on tour around 95/96 as well. Both the lads embrace their Irish roots but they do consider themselves British.

And quite rightly. Both of them, like me, were born in Manchester.

ICANN · 19-01-2012 02:32PM

No I wouldn't and I don't wear reebok runners either because of it, may sound stupid but I don't like the Union Jack (both what it stands for and the actual design). I live in London but I don't have any allegiance towards Great Britain or anything.

Batsy · 19-01-2012 02:33PM

Seanchai wrote: »

About the most retarded thing imaginable in a world of retarded things that the Union Jack is put on - starting with all that food in shops like Tesco. They must have some fairly shíte insecurity about their identity when they have to put a Union Jack on their food in order to sell it, just like they have to describe their films as "British" in order to sell them. :rolleyes: Cringe. Last refuge and all that. Tribal bastards.

So we mustn't describe British food and films as being "British"?

Yep, that makes sense.

Batsy · 19-01-2012 02:34PM

ICANN wrote: »

I live in London but I don't have any allegiance towards Great Britain or anything.

God help us if you ever get called up to fight for Britain in a war.

And I like Reebok. The company was founded in my hometown of Bolton.

Batsy · 19-01-2012 02:39PM

Johnny Foreigner wrote: »

In the Brit pop era of the 1990's it was Blur who plastered themselves with Union Jack's, not Oasis.
Liam and Noel are proud of the fact they are Manchester-Irish.
When they were asked to write and perform an new England Football song for the World Cup, they refused to do so; publicly declaring they were Irish not English.

Liam%2BGallagher%2BBeady%2BEye%2BIsle%20%2Bof%2BWight%2BFestival.jpg

ICANN · 19-01-2012 02:46PM

Batsy wrote: »

God help us if you ever get called up to fight for Britain in a war.

And I like Reebok. The company was founded in my hometown of Bolton.

I wouldn't be called up to fight for ye bacause I'm Irish :P

I've been here 8 months and have yet to speak to someone born and bred here!!!

fryup · 19-01-2012 02:49PM

Mickey Dazzler wrote: »

No I couldnt wear the butchers apron.

i don't know i think their quite fetching

Would you wear clothing with the British Flag on it?

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