[CoD Black Ops 2] News and Discussion

klose · 16-01-2012 09:59PM

Magill wrote: »

How so ?

Just the fact games cost so much because of the input etc.. and im guessing campaign takes more time to complete then multiplayer?? Id only do a campaign once and maybe revisit it a second time on vet, I just like getting me moolas worth :P

senordingdong · 17-01-2012 05:18PM

Well SP ftw and the Treyarch series have infinitely better campaigns than the Infinity Ward batch.

everlast75 · 17-01-2012 05:21PM

hypermuse wrote: »

I buy them for the multiplayer/spec ops tbh!

SP doesn't really hold my attention that well at all.. find them quite boring regardless of storyline!

This.

Only finish the SP usually in October before the new game comes out

17-01-2012 10:22PM

Even on Bops which I sold after a couple of months I had more than enough playtime to justify buying it. Compare buying cod to buying a cinema ticket and you'll see real value for money.

Socialist_Pig · 18-01-2012 01:44AM

krudler wrote: »

fcuk it, set it in Napoleonic era, big square formations of people marching slowly towards each other unloading muskets and single shot rifles. perks could include sleight of hand, which reduces reload time down from 3 minutes to 90 seconds. extra ammunition meaning 6 bags of shot powder instead of 4.

and if you get 25 kills with a bayonet without dying you get to call in an air strike...from balloons

Socialist_Pig · 18-01-2012 01:47AM

AdamD wrote: »

Even on Bops which I sold after a couple of months I had more than enough playtime to justify buying it. Compare buying cod to buying a cinema ticket and you'll see real value for money.

I keep saying that...seriously its 60€.play the sp and and a few hrs of the MP and its paid for itself.

Every CoD game thats released will have a megab1tch and sunshine and loolipops thread.Its not as if people have invested there life saving in the poxy game.

in fairness at this stage im getting p1ssed off emailing activision about having dinosaurs as a killstreak:pac:

yimrsg · 18-01-2012 01:54PM

whippedcream wrote: »

In fairness its hardly surprising that blops 2 would be coming given the success of blops itself.

Id buy a game for all its content unlike some people who only buy for multiplayer which is a tad stupid IMO and blops had a great campaign, I prefer mw multiplayer but blops isint too far behind however blops campaign is much more interesting and fun to play.

Of course theyll bring back zombies which could of course been released as a sperate game nearly at this point its became so popular, be interesting to see what they do with that this time round.

Completely disagree with you there. There is sod all replayability in the CoD campaigns. I doubt there are many who have finished any CoD campaign bar CoD4 more than 3 times. The only way CoD keeps buyers coming back iteration after iteration is for the multiplayer. Every single player campaign in the series after CoD4 has felt secondary, tacked on and devoid of originality. I like CoD campaigns but developers have gradually moved resources away from single player to prioritise multiplayer and it's showed. It's comes down to the simple fact that designing a multiplayer map takes a lot less effort (or money) than a campaign level which is exponentially bigger and requires more hidden costs such as voice actors, script writers, creative team etc. A DLC map brings in plenty of money in the CoD franchise, there is a financial reason why campaign levels aren't available as DLC.

It took me a little over 2 hours to finish the campaign in mw3, blops campaign was closer to 3 but both have zero appeal to replay for me, the campaigns were dour and clichéd compared to what has gone before. I was really interested in how it mw3 would end up but (like mw2) it fell short. Black ops campaign was awful in parts, tediously longwinded and never really immersive (getting into the limo to the pentagon felt like I was playing Driver 2). It went back to COD2/3 formula of waves of infinite respawning enemies unless you reach point X through a hail of bullets and grenades. This quote from Predator sums it up:

So you cooked up a story and dropped the six of us in a meatgrinder?

Why buy a game for the solo experience if the only change in the course of 4 years is superficial? If game buyers want a solid solo player experience then you'll have to change genre.

Say you bought blops for €60, and you only play the campaign through twice, call it 6 hours, so the game kept you amused at €10/hour. Now say if you play multiplayer and over the course of the year you play 15 days or 360 hours and the game costs you well under a €/hour. I know guys who've got 40+ days played on mw2, I'd hazard a guess and say that is comparable to the amount of man hours IW spent on the campaign.

I honestly believe that over the next 3 or 4 years CoD campaigns are going to continue getting less and less resources till they totally atrophy and are done away with altogether.

iMuse · 18-01-2012 02:14PM

It won't be too long before you will be able to download the COD multiplayer on its own off xbox live/ PSN on day 1, the campaigns are becoming increasingly irrelevant to me anyway.

DaveNoCheese · 18-01-2012 03:06PM

First night I got MW3, I played handful of multiplayer games, to get a feel for 'em. Didnt get a chance to touch the game then for a few days.

When I did, I tore through the campaign before even going back to multiplayer. Have always done the same for previous Call of Duty titles. That's just the way I work though. Love the campaigns (especially on veteran, love the challenge)!

gimli2112 · 18-01-2012 03:12PM

@Dave

Veteran (my opinion)
WAW - No, just no!!!!!

COD4 - a few painful moments. That sniper level everyone loves when you shoot the guy's arm off springs to mind. Even on normal there were several levels where I was thinking, "Why am I dying all the time here?"

BLOPS/MW2 - pretty easy

MW3 - no problems as yet but am dreading the bit where you are in the tank. Haven't played it in a while.

Overature · 18-01-2012 03:14PM

This really is taking the piss, it will literatly just be another modern warefare

DaveNoCheese · 18-01-2012 03:20PM

gimli2112 wrote: »

@Dave

Veteran (my opinion)
WAW - No, just no!!!!! Don't own it so wouldn't know :pac:

COD4 - a few painful moments. That sniper level everyone loves when you shoot the guy's arm off springs to mind. Even on normal there were several levels where I was thinking, "Why am I dying all the time here?" By far the best CoD blah blah blah, it was f*ckin' hard but oh so worth it!

BLOPS/MW2 - pretty easy Blops, fairly easy yea, still enjoyed it. MW2 had its moments and places where I got bogged down but I really enjoyed it (close second to Cod4)

MW3 - no problems as yet but am dreading the bit where you are in the tank. Haven't played it in a while. I'm the same actually, finished it on hardened but have barely touched the campaign on Veteran.

On another note, if there is gonna be a Blops 2, would it be Nov 2013 before it's released??

Magill · 18-01-2012 03:21PM

Overature wrote: »

This really is taking the piss, it will literatly just be another modern warefare

lol ?

I guess you mean it'll be like MW3 in that it was practically the same as MW2 ? Only with BLOPs ?

gimli2112 · 18-01-2012 03:48PM

DaveNoCheese wrote: »

On another note, if there is gonna be a Blops 2, would it be Nov 2013 before it's released??

Yeah, it's been released annually in November for a while now. Don't raise it with them though or we'll have a new COD every 6 months

Nuri Sahin · 18-01-2012 04:09PM

DaveNoCheese wrote: »

First night I got MW3, I played handful of multiplayer games, to get a feel for 'em. Didnt get a chance to touch the game then for a few days.

When I did, I tore through the campaign before even going back to multiplayer. Have always done the same for previous Call of Duty titles. That's just the way I work though. Love the campaigns (especially on veteran, love the challenge)!

Proper gamer mindset is what that is

Do the same myself. I grew up playing campaigns from the early 90s, that part of me will always stay strong. Honestly can't help but smile reading some of the comments regarding campaign, not trying it is one thing but to play a mission if even two and claim it's boring is comical. Nicest way of putting it. I actually thought this year I'd try and jump head first into multiplayer it must be said but no could do. From those cinematic moments, the score and the the general storyline.. I love it all anyway.

Oh and MW3 veteran is simple btw. Few hairy moments, but compared to COD4, it was grand.

DaveNoCheese · 18-01-2012 04:16PM

El LoCo Ade wrote: »

Proper gamer mindset is what that is

Cheers mate, really don't see the point in buying a game unless you play through the campaign and experience it!

El LoCo Ade wrote: »

I actually thought this year I'd try and jump head first into multiplayer it must be said but no could do. From those cinematic moments, the score and the the general storyline.. I love it all anyway.

Certain parts of it, between the score and whats happening on screen, could honestly say my jaw dropped. It just sweeps over me :eek:

El LoCo Ade wrote: »

Oh and MW3 veteran is simple btw. Few hairy moments, but compared to COD4, it was grand.

Really? Need to find the time and actually get through it so. And go back to play MW1 + MW2 campaigns, epic

LaVail · 18-01-2012 04:55PM

Didn't read the thread but I'm mad looking forward to blops2 or whatever it's going to be called. Playing MW3 every day and still noticing bad aspects of the game..The lag is just horrible and there seems to be a new game breaking glitch every week now yet still no patches. MW3 seems like it was rushed and with no public beta it fails hard. Some of the maps such as downturn are just horrible and I'm also sick of bumping into team mates and getting stuck on random siht I can't even see.

Magill · 18-01-2012 05:14PM

El LoCo Ade wrote: »

Proper gamer mindset is what that is Do the same myself. I grew up playing campaigns from the early 90s, that part of me will always stay strong. Honestly can't help but smile reading some of the comments regarding campaign, not trying it is one thing but to play a mission if even two and claim it's boring is comical. Nicest way of putting it. I actually thought this year I'd try and jump head first into multiplayer it must be said but no could do. From those cinematic moments, the score and the the general storyline.. I love it all anyway.

Oh and MW3 veteran is simple btw. Few hairy moments, but compared to COD4, it was grand.

Personal opinions, im sure the michael bay fan's love them. I find them boring,I didn't say everyone does. Like how you find RPG's and anything with a bit of depth to it.. boring. I can't stand over the top action/war films, i sure as hell am not going to enjoy a game with much less of a story and gameplay that is so linear and on rails that it would almost be a good kenetic game. Probably the same reason why i don't really like UC (Although the story is pretty good), it is far too linear for my taste.

I at least gave them a chance,Blops i finished the jail mission.. so i guess that's 2 levels ?) and MW2/CoD4 i think I finished most of the campaign. I'd rather be playing something like Dues ex or darksouls for my SP experience and leave CoD to what its good at(Most of the time).

Nuri Sahin · 18-01-2012 06:06PM

Magill wrote: »

Personal opinions, im sure the michael bay fan's love them. I find them boring,I didn't say everyone does. Like how you find RPG's and anything with a bit of depth to it.. boring. I can't stand over the top action/war films, i sure as hell am not going to enjoy a game with much less of a story and gameplay that is so linear and on rails that it would almost be a good kenetic game. Probably the same reason why i don't really like UC (Although the story is pretty good), it is far too linear for my taste.

I at least gave them a chance,Blops i finished the jail mission.. so i guess that's 2 levels ?) and MW2/CoD4 i think I finished most of the campaign. I'd rather be playing something like Dues ex or darksouls for my SP experience and leave CoD to what its good at(Most of the time).

I what???

No, I don't like Michael Bay movies. Sorry to disappoint you. We've discussed the TF franchise in the past and I ruthlessly slated that gob****e then for doing his damnedest in trying to ruin arguably my favourite childhood show. So yeah, not so much of a fan

Fairly sure I discussed it at some point in the OTT too. Any stick to hit, etc

No, I've never said I found all RPG based games boring. Find me a quote saying otherwise. They aren't my cup of tea but I do appreciate certain aspects about them (Skyrim landscape for example, Fallout for atmosphere), and how some people like them even if I'm not keen into them. I'am not ignorant nor a troll to slate a particular genre entirely. Most games have something redeemable about them. Very few don't. Pokemon Red/Blue is considered an RPG by many, I did like that as you know. San Andreas had RPG elements in it and it worked very well in it.

I did say I hate dragons, wizardry and hocus pocus malark. Guilty as charged!

Anyway, this is going off topic. If you're that bothered, discuss it with me in the Off topic thread

Back on topic. As I said, one or two missions into a campaign is no way to judge a COD campaign. But in saying that, if you didn't like Korkuta in BOPS there's no point trying to discuss this particular facet any further.

Magill · 18-01-2012 07:20PM

El LoCo Ade wrote: »

I what???

No, I don't like Michael Bay movies. Sorry to disappoint you. We've discussed the TF franchise in the past and I ruthlessly slated that gob****e then for doing his damnedest in trying to ruin arguably my favourite childhood show. So yeah, not so much of a fan Fairly sure I discussed it at some point in the OTT too. Any stick to hit, etc

No, I've never said I found all RPG based games boring. Find me a quote saying otherwise. They aren't my cup of tea but I do appreciate certain aspects about them (Skyrim landscape for example, Fallout for atmosphere), and how some people like them even if I'm not keen into them. I'am not ignorant nor a troll to slate a particular genre entirely. Most games have something redeemable about them. Very few don't. Pokemon Red/Blue is considered an RPG by many, I did like that as you know. San Andreas had RPG elements in it and it worked very well in it.

I did say I hate dragons, wizardry and hocus pocus malark. Guilty as charged!

Anyway, this is going off topic. If you're that bothered, discuss it with me in the Off topic thread

Back on topic. As I said, one or two missions into a campaign is no way to judge a COD campaign. But in saying that, if you didn't like Korkuta in BOPS there's no point trying to discuss this particular facet any further.

I never said you were a micheal bay fan. Im sure people who are fans of his style of film are probably fans of the CoD campaign since they're sort of similar, lots of explosions, a little character development and more explosions.

RPG's/Dragons/Wizards...whatever.. the point is.. some games are simply not for you, like some types of games are not for me. I didn't have to play more of black ops to decide if i'd like the game or not, i could tell from the first level that it was just the same style of game as the rest and was bored. I don't see how thats comical. I Appriciate the main part of the call of duty games.. the multiplayer, i think thats more than enough to warrant a purchase.

cherryghost · 19-01-2012 01:43PM

I must say Black Ops 2 is down as a purchase for me. MW3 scraped the barrel for me but Treyarch are now my preferred pusblisher for the COD series.

krudler · 19-01-2012 07:25PM

AdamD wrote: »

Even on Bops which I sold after a couple of months I had more than enough playtime to justify buying it. Compare buying cod to buying a cinema ticket and you'll see real value for money.

I bought mw2 a few months after release for the princely sum of 25 quid (thanks dixons!) and still play it, thats 2 years of gaming for less than a round of drinks for a few people.

Creasy_bear · 20-01-2012 01:10AM

I hope for blops 2 they take out.....

heartbeat sensors
portable radar
motion detectors
bouncing betties/claymores (only use them on a sniper class)
bring back stopping power.
take the knife out of the game or have it like the knifing in BF3.

PerrinV2 · 20-01-2012 02:06AM

Creasy_bear wrote: »

I hope for blops 2 they take out.....

heartbeat sensors
portable radar
motion detectors
bouncing betties/claymores (only use them on a sniper class)
bring back stopping power.
take the knife out of the game or have it like the knifing in BF3.

Get rid of please

hypermuse · 20-01-2012 02:35PM

Creasy_bear wrote: »

I hope for blops 2 they take out.....

heartbeat sensors
portable radar
motion detectors
bouncing betties/claymores (only use them on a sniper class)
bring back stopping power.
take the knife out of the game or have it like the knifing in BF3.

Fully support this!!

well maybe not to much like BF3 coz COD is fast paced so you dont wanna slow it down toooooo much! Buts retarded the way it is!

krudler · 20-01-2012 02:43PM

PerrinV2 wrote: »

Get rid of please

or make it two swipes to a kill, or one swipe if the guy is already injured from being shot.

Magill · 20-01-2012 03:55PM

2 stabs to kill, 1 from the back... i.e. cs. Would like it to be a different weapon slot so you have to switch to your knife aswel. Either of those changes would be good.

justsomebloke · 20-01-2012 04:07PM

krudler wrote: »

or make it two swipes to a kill, or one swipe if the guy is already injured from being shot.

or if he is being shot he can't lunge forward to kill you

Nuri Sahin · 20-01-2012 04:19PM

justsomebloke wrote: »

or if he is being shot he can't lunge forward to kill you

Yup, this or making it so that you have to pull out your knife first instead of instantly swiping I'd be happy with.

Vahn was tweeting about knifing sometime ago last year actually. Might have a look for his tweets later.

iMuse · 20-01-2012 04:40PM

1. Get rid of the knife entirelly.

2. Get rid of the knife entirelly and return to using your gun to butt someone.

3. Make the knife something you have to equip before you can slash it.

4. Have guns do more damage at "melee knife ranges" so that if you need a single bullet or two to drop someone about to stab you.

5. Create a "Knife Vest" as a perk or similar that protects you.

6. Changing the tuning of the knife to do variable, or half, the damage it does right now

7. Do nothing. We already nerfed the melee lunge/attack range.

8. Do away with the melee lunge entirelly.

These are Vahn's suggestions for the knife, number 3 is the best option imo.

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