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Major Oil Find Off Dalkey!!!!!
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21-04-2010 4:03pm#1
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There was a previous idea to put a deep water port in Dalkey, could be located in the same area, between Dalkey Island and the main land.
It would be much easier to simply pump it to Dublin Port where they could located a terminal/refinery on the site of the defunt glass factory premises or other vacant DDDA lots.
They're planning to test the area over the next few weeks.
Or they could simply flatten Bono's house and put it there
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i'm killiney actually but dalkey is my local village
your right i can't stand outside companies i dispise the uniformcation of all the shopping centres and main shopping streets. you could be on grafton street, leeds, manchester, london etc they've all the same bloody shops. I prefer the sole traders who take pride on their work and offer alternatives to the mass products being forced down out throat. and anybody who drinks coffee wil tell you that starbucks i smuck compared to a decent locla coffee shop. 0 -
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i'm killiney actually but dalkey is my local village your right i can't stand outside companies i dispise the uniformcation of all the shopping centres and main shopping streets. You could be on grafton street, leeds, manchester, london etc they've all the same bloody shops.
There are a couple of things wrong with this observation. It is similar to those made by 'dalkeyresident' on The Patton Flyer thread which I created: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055730592. It's a xenophobic and racist comment. As a person who has been living in Dalkey my whole life, I think Dalkey is loosing business as a result of the fact that it hasn't evolved at all over the last two or three decades. In other words, the area in general hasn't embraced that much change with the exception of building interiors being modernized. While I can understand that the village part should remain untouched by commercialization due to it's delicate character and those further east, I do think the area needs massive commercial expansion to re-establish itself as a coastal hub. Otherwise, people will just get bored of it. At present, the dark reality is that Dalkey isn't attracting large numbers of people in the sense that Blackrock or Dun Laoghaire is. It is no longer a commuting town because there isn't any catalyst which would generate larger traffic flows. At present, it is becoming a dead end for commercial traffic and indeed commuter traffic which is probably the reason why the general bus routes in the area take on very few people.I prefer the sole traders who take pride on their work and offer alternatives to the mass products being forced down out throat. and anybody who drinks coffee wil tell you that starbucks i smuck compared to a decent locla coffee shop.
That is all very well and good and I'm not suggesting for a second that you think otherwise. I do appreciate your sentimental values. However, that is not to say that Dalkey should remain confined to local establishments. After all, Eurospar is a multinational company in Dalkey which takes it's roots in Amsterdam. Currently, Dalkey has a very good variety of pubs, restaurants and cafés, some of which are traditional and others which are exotic. However, these services are only a small part of the much larger spectrum of commercial activity. For instance, nobody would spend a day in Dalkey doing their shopping. Yes, the area has a lot of nature trails and minor tourist spots. Nevertheless, these aren't methods of attracting large crowds. Before you jump to conclusions, I amn't saying for one second that these nature areas be rezoned for commercial purposes as I would also object strongly to that. What I am saying is that there will need to be a big change in other areas which aren't valued for their aestheticity. Examples of such areas include St. Begnets Villa's, parts of Bullock Harbour and Hillside. Collectively, these areas are large enough to accomodate developments which would facilitate enormous expansion of commercial activity within the Dalkey area whilst keeping the village and other pretty parts untouched.
As for the infrastructure to these new establishments. If a second level* were to be built on top of the railway line between Dalkey Avenue and Ardeevin Road, this would allow Dalkey Avenue and Cunningham Road to be turned into one way roads which would cater for north and southbound traffic respectively. For Barnhill road, a new road could be constructed behind the houses along the northern half of the road so that Barnhill Road would essentially be split into two one-way roads: Barnhill Road West and Barnhill Road East for outbound and inbound traffic respectively. From it's junction with Cunningham Road to it's junction with Rock Lodge, Dalkey Avenue/Killiney Hill Road could easily be widened as the this section of roadway isn't hemmed in by houses. In fact, there is a huge amount of space between the houses themselves and the road. From here, it would turn right off Killiney Hill Road where it would bisect Killiney Golf Club and merge with Churchview Road. If you look at Google Earth, you will see what I mean. As a result of the aforementioned measures, Dalkey would be certain to become a very busy hub.
*If you consider that the railway line in between the aforementioned roads is a half pipe, the idea which I am proposing would enclose the pipe. Also, if you consider the width of the air space above the railway, it is more than wide enough to accomodate four lanes of traffic, a fifth filter lane and the remaining width to carry pedestrian paths. Again, check out Google Earth if you don't believe me.0 -
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The irony is as that pdf of the chart shows this is the latest test drill of a number. I've yet to hear of or see any standings of dolphins and whales as a result? Dublin Bay itself had a significant survey done by the new Survey Office vessel (based in DL) without mishap...
Of course, don't tell the protesters that this kind of thing has been going along nicely on the other side of the Irish Sea in a much larger capacity for a long time now.
Morcambe Bay Field
BTW, saying that latest bore hole is in Killiney Bay is farcical.0 -
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These three residents are reasosn why they shouldn't drill
Seismic Testing
Seismic testing is used to locate potential sites for offshore drilling in the oceans. These seismic tests involve creating decibel levels of 260, which is about double the decibel level created by an ambulance. Many forms of marine life have very sensitive hearing and are extremely affected by this decibel level. Whales and dolphins exposed to seismic testing have been known to suffer from disorientation, beaching and brain hemorrhaging.
more info: http://bikyamasr.com/34262/whales-dolphins-threatened-by-human-activity/
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ok the quote was from brophy, sorry. hard to tell you two apart ;-)
I only linked to that oil spill in new zealand so you knew where to go, y'know, to have a little swim in the oil. Since thats what you are advocating the people near dalkey do. If they go for a swim.The link you provide is from a crashed ship, could happen anywhere. Lots of ships have crashed / sunk in and around Dublin over the centuries and cargo ships of that size come and go weekly.
But Perhaps you'd prefer to swim in a shell spillage pond in the forest in ogoniland or ecuador instead if you feel it's closer to the true oil company experience.
http://www.tropical-rainforest-animals.com/Ecuador-Rainforest.html
oil is nice and thick there. lots of dead animals in the rainforest too. Maybe while you're there,have a chat with the locals about how great the project was for them and how good a cleanup the oil companies did. And if you think that stuff only happens to brown people in third world countries, think again and take a look what the IMF and ECB are doing to us financially. Its exactly what they used to do to brown people in third world countries. Until they took a stand, kicked out their corrupt governments and these companies and stopped taking it any more that is.
Yeah "drill baby drill". "lipstick on a pig". Go on, tell the truth, you're sarah palin's sock aren't you cookie?I lived in Killiney for 27 years, even if I was still living there I would fully support putting a rig off the coast if it was worth it...
Yeah cookie, you're right. Who needs a clean environment when you can create a few dangerous temporary jobs, mostly for specialised people they bring in themselves.
Yeah its a really great trade off. I mean a few pubs might even sell a few extra pints, a few b&b's might rent a few extra rooms during construction. And the large volume of extra traffic grinding our ill maintained roads to a halt might burn some more fuel and pay some more tax while idling in the jams, no doubt improving our air quality.
maybe they'll pay enough extra fuel tax to pay for increasing numbers of kids with long term respiratory problems foisted on the HSE.
maybe even enough to offset the extra carbon taxes levied for the extra emissions from the platform flaring and emissions from the extra heavy road traffic and extra road repair / construction costs incurred by the state.
Or enough to compensate locals for loss of tourism over the next 30 years? I mean who in their right mind wants to visit an oil town on their holidays?
And worth it to who exactly?? sir anthony and a few insiders in government?? Maybe to a few paid internet spin doctors too perhaps(!).
Certainly not the irish citizens.
It might be a slightly different proposition if it was a state owned company as is the case with statoil in norway and the profits were going directly into state coffers.
Cookie, I do hope you are getting a few pieces of silver for supporting and running interference for this project from your comfy terminal in new zealand. because if you are not then you are truly an idiot and sir anthony is probably laughing his ass off at you.
The fracking boys got a few licences for pristine areas in the roscommon area etc. Maybe you should give them a call too.
So letting corporate thugs ride roughshod over you and destroy the environment you and your children and all wildlife live in to make huge short term profits for the 1% is considered "mature" is it. I would use other adjectives!! "shortsighted" and "stupid" for example. there is very little trickle down. once the profits have been moved away through numerous accounting and tax loopholes and the resource is used up, whats left? A big environmental mess thats what, and corporations have a really s**t record paying for cleanups if there is an accident. remember exxon valdez?? Bhopal?? etc etc.Where I live now there is also a huge gas fields off shore, not to mention dozens of land based oil and rigs and dozens more planned for the next 5 years. Doesn't bother me either and they are mature enough over here to know that the benefits far outweigh the risks.
Wake up and smell the coffee.
I seem to remember one small rig putting out A LOT more than that in a very short time recently somewhere off the coast of America. don't you? Yeah they really did a great job cleaning up that one too.Answer me this, does the constant ship traffic into Dublin cause you problems, do you go around protesting about that? Cause that puts out far more pollution than a rig ever will.
Pretty much destroyed the entire SEA many livelihoods in fishing and tourism and many of the habitats for local wildlife in the mangrove swamps along the coast
I guess it's cheaper to pay off politicians than clean up their messes it seems. Shouldn't be a problem if it happens here either!!
Yes, I do care about unnecessary high volume ship traffic transporting sh*t we don't need from china and food half way across the globe that we could easily grow locally. Thats an integral part of globalisation, the race top the bottom, playing one country off against another. It's a complete disaster. We fell for it and now it's all coming home to roost. Yes I would go on an anti globalisation protest. wouldn't you?Any one of those ships hits an obstacle or one of the sand banks you have a spill equal or worse than the Rena one you quoted above. But I bet you don't even give a second thought to it do you
This oil project will only INCREASE the ship traffic, increasing the chances of a spill as you describe. So this is an argument for the project how??
enjoy your swim cookie. wear goggles. And don't swallow!
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crushproof wrote: »I know that the effect of this drilling will be minimal to Dublin Bay....<snip>.. The EU, as well as the oil/gas industry itself has some of the most restrictive rules and safety standards in comparison to other industries.
Really? you KNOW?? Perhaps you can give me next saturdays lotto numbers too!
And I'm sure people along 491 miles (790 kilometers) of coastline in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida that was highly contaminated by one single little well owned by BP oil which developed a problem would be convinced by your wacky "precognition" too. Not to mention all your "reassurances" about "standards". I'm sure everyone near an oil project gets all that kind of guff.
Its a game like politics. And winning it, like in politics, is all about saying anything you have to to get your foot in the door and your head in the trough. Then people can do nothing about it once its up and running.
No doubt the frackers will pump out lots of warm reassurances too from their slick PR mouthpieces (followed by pumping lots of toxic chemicals into our aquifers!). But reassurances mean nothing afterwards when you are dealing with the concrete consequences of such projects and the "reassurers" are nowhere to be seen.
CO2 does not cause respiratory problems. its often caused by tiny particulates from the burning of fossil fuels in the air that affect the respiratory tract. You can check out consequences of "gas flaring" in the niger delta for more info.Do you give money to HSE to help kids with respiratory problems? I presume you drive a car or take public transport and use electricity, all of which emit Carbon dioxide everyday. Get real.
putting your somewhat flaky basic science/biology aside, my individual charity choices or my being on or off the grid has little to do with whether letting providence drill off dalkey is a good proposition for the Irish people. Its clearly not. Its just more money for sir tony and the 1%
The question is really whether we want to pointlessly risk our coastline being polluted, traffic being increased, tourism reduced etc etc all for nothing on the words of a few vested interests and their political friends..
I admire your certainty! So the 1% won't benefit then? not even sir tony? How naive of you!It's also not for the benefit of the "1%", but for the entire country. If successful it will drive down energy prices and increase our energy security, And how much tax will they actually pay when all the exploration costs have been "creatively" written off? You are aware of Irish exploration terms thanks to ray burke and bertie aren't you??
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"Through the second half of the 1980s and into the 1990s, the exploration terms for oil and gas companies were fundamentally restructured to the detriment of the exchequer. In this time, state royalties (or ownership of a percentage of any find) were abolished; a total exploration cost write-off was introduced, and; the corporation tax paid was slashed from 50% to 25% "
(interesting to note that both key politicians involved in this process were disgraced and corrupt.)
But won't providence just pipe off the oil and sell it to the highest bidder? There's nothing in the terms that state that they must sell any of it to Ireland. Same as the gas in erris. They can do exactly what they like with it.
But why increase this risk needlessly just to line the likes of sir tony's pockets??As Cookie Monster said, the amount of commercial shipping in Dublin Bay means there's a threat a spill everyday.
well off topic but...And it's not just "cheap" Chinese imports, but billions worth of Irish exports as well. What do you, for Ireland to be a closed economy??
no but ideally I'd like us to decouple from the globalised world as much as we possibly can, kick out the right wing ideologues and have a people centric socialist government like our own mr connolly suggested, our own currency, sustainable agriculture, and engage in limited mutually beneficial trade for things we really need with countries who put people first. Maybe it's what you want but I don't want Ireland to be exactly like a mini america where all that matters is money not people.
Would a closed economy be so much worse than staying wide open and being ravaged by market forces and losing our soverignty altogether ??
closed economies weathered the storms of the recession much better than wide open ones like Ireland.
You're right about global overfishing.Anyway, it's the fishing industry that does the most harm to our oceans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bedirwk95Oc
However we no longer have a local fishing industry. We stupidly gave it away in order to be able to join that globalised market you're so enthusiastic about that has ultimately brought about our complete economic ruin.0 -
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