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Major Oil Find Off Dalkey!!!!!
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Pageant Messiah wrote: »Have I got the wrong end of the stick or are you suggesting that the 106 houses in St Begnet's Villas and the playing fields beside them could / should accomodate a commercial development. If I haven't got it wrong what would you be suggesting here ?
I have since researched St. Begnet's Villas and Hillside via the zoning maps on the Dun Laoghaire Rathdown County Council website and realized that their high populations would make commercial development very difficult and non justifiable. Also, the playing fields i.e. The Cuala Club is also heavily used and I appreciate the value they add to the greater community. There are over 120 houses in St. Begnet's Villas and many times that amount in Hillside. As such, I have retracted these ideas.
Having said that, the sites currently occupied by Our Lady's Manor and the Marine Shop at Bullock Harbour are failing to fulfill their true potential. The elevation gradient enables the development of larger buildings than those on flat planes in most other parts of the locality. Our Lady's Manor attests to this as it is up to six stories in height from peak to trough inclusive of ground level (Harbour Road). While it is a nursing home, the broader demographic has been left out of the loop because of it's limited functionality. As the location gets away with accommodating a structure of up to six stories in height, it is currently not capitalizing on it. Our Lady's Manor is also extremely bleak and unattractive looking due to the crude exterior.
As The Marine Shop on Bullock Harbour itself is backed by views of Dublin City and Howth Head, height restrictions are applicable. Once again, it is very bleak and unattractive. Nevertheless, the surface area could accommodate a building of similar size with a much broader use such as a discount store or a mixed use retail and office building.
Anyway, back on topic. I do think that the whole oil rig concept is being met with to much doom and gloom from the usual local NIMBY's. The way they are going on, you could swear that Providence Resources were replacing the actual Dalkey Island itself when the rig will be situated at quite a distance from the amenity. While it will be visible, it certainly wont stick out like a sore thumb if the artists impressions are anything to go by. Dalkey Island and the oil rig will still be a good 4 kilometers apart. To those who are concerned about dolphins and other wild life, I'm pretty sure Providence Resources have thought about this.0 -
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Cookie_Monster wrote: »
any pics, or know the name so I can google?
http://www.infomar.ie/surveying/Keary/Keary.php
the inshore boat for a larger fleet (http://www.infomar.ie/surveying/Vessels.php)0 -
The amount of support the campaign against drilling is getting is ridiculous, absolutely hits the nail on the head when it comes to Ireland and parish pump politics.
I've tried to raise the issue with friends but they immediately respond by claiming it will destroy Killiney Bay, despite the fact it is nowhere near the Bay itself and that the rig is a blip on the horizon. They seem to think a North Sea style project is being planned.
And some don't even believe me when I say that there is already extensive drilling on the other side of the Irish Sea. I can imagine the public meeting that is being held will be overwhelmingly one sided. I somehow doubt that the people attending have a care in the world for the people of Co. Mayo and the massive pipeline that is running through their land.0 -
Anyone know the who was dropping leaflets into houses on Dalkey Ave yesterday regarding this. One through the letterbox, one on the windscreen of my car and then a couple blowing around my garden for good measure. So much for caring for the environment..0
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Cookie do you honestly think we'd see much of the money.
we wont see any of the money,we are allready being robbed of our oil and gas... some people will gain from it, ie the oil companies,but the regular guy on the street like you and me will not see a penny of this oil money
our government is so stupid they allow the companies to take all the resources without the irish taxpayer recieveing any of the profits..
and even if the government are likely to recieve any of the money u can wave it goodbye coz it will be goin straight to the eu and the ibf..
other european countries are making millions from their oil and gas reserves and the profits are spread among the whole population but ireland is being raped0 -
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Ecuador is running a unique scheme at the moment whereby they hope through public donation to raise $100million dollars, which is the estimated amount of revenue if they developed the oil resources of a remote but environmental important region of the country. Can we just ask the residents of Vico Road for a whip round?0
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To those who are concerned about dolphins and other wild life, I'm pretty sure Providence Resources have thought about this.
this quote is from "cookie monster" whom I note is posting from new zealand!!! Hmmm... Yeah, and I'm all for putting a huge rig beside you over there and retiring on the proceeds to dalkey!!! You don't have to live here so stfu.
ps: I do hope you're living right beside this :
http://storyful.com/stories/1000009375
so you can experience the joys of oil first hand. You deserve it. If not you should visit, go for a swim, then come back and comment here again.
Providence? would that be the ethical sir tony o'reilly with oil holdings in nigeria?? the guy who bought a licence from FF for a song, sat on it and sold it on for a huge sum (1billion).
this f****r :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_O%27Reilly
(who probably paid someone to write this fawning wp article!!)
And he's still not happy he has enough????:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
He has to deafen the dalkey dolphins with a seismic survey to boost his ego and bank balance even further.
oh, providence and tony thought about it for sure. Probably for all of one nanosecond!!. Then they looked at the spreadsheet and said "f**k the dolphins, we'll make even more money and it doesn't matter if we f**k the place up because we'll all be retiring comfortably with a mansion and a yacht somewhere (else) with a nice view, clean air and water and lovely natural beauty and life for our children to look at"
The fact is most irish people won't see a penny of this but they will underwrite the "externalities" (roads,medical(asthma etc),cleanup) and experience the environmental consequences. the loss of air quality from gas flaring, the destruction of marine and bird life from small spills and cleanup chemicals (inevitable). the uglification of our coastline. The inevitable loss of tourism. The heavy traffic on already unmaintained congested roadways, the (even further)corruption of politicians etc etc.
see niger delta for details of how this process usually pans out. Sir tony knows all about nigeria.
It's a no brainer. we're better off long term having a cleaner better environment to help encourage more tourism than allowing some greedy b******s to destroy the place and f**k off with the cash leaving us with nothing at all except the cleanup bill. :mad::mad::mad:
No doubt he'll use his media influence to spin this and foist it on the irish people. It's time we stood up to the 1% like sir tony and friends.
We're not powerless here. We can stand up to him by agreeing to
stop buying the independent (or other IN&MGroup publication) ever again. If everyone boycotted it for even a few months, he'd feel that. buy another irish newspaper not a part of independent news and media group instead if you're worried about jobs.
this is a must read for those interested in the background to o'reilly's oil licences
http://politico.ie/component/content/article/2126.html
sir tony definitely didn't pay mr connolly to write about him!! ;-)0 -
Hedgehoggski wrote: »yeah right!!:mad::mad::mad:
this quote is from "cookie monster" whom I note is posting from new zealand!!! Hmmm... Yeah, and I'm all for putting a huge rig beside you over there and retiring on the proceeds to dalkey!!! You don't have to live here so stfu.
ps: I do hope you're living right beside this :
http://storyful.com/stories/1000009375
so you can experience the joys of oil first hand. You deserve it. If not you should visit, go for a swim, then come back and comment here again.
I didn't say that so don't put words to me that aren't mine. The link you provide is from a crashed ship, could happen anywhere. Lots of ships have crashed / sunk in and around Dublin over the centuries and cargo ships of that size come and go weekly. :rolleyes:
I lived in Killiney for 27 years, even if I was still living there I would fully support putting a rig off the coast if it was worth it... it's not going in the middle of the bay you know...
Where I live now there is also a huge gas fields off shore, not to mention dozens of land based oil and rigs and dozens more planned for the next 5 years. Doesn't bother me either and they are mature enough over here to know that the benefits far outweigh the risks.
Answer me this, does the constant ship traffic into Dublin cause you problems, do you go around protesting about that? Cause that puts out far more pollution than a rig ever will. Any one of those ships hits an obstacle or one of the sand banks you have a spill equal or worse than the Rena one you quoted above. But I bet you don't even give a second thought to it do you0 -
I walk along the sea front regularly and have done for the last five years. I've seen Dolphins once, so I'd be interested to know where I can find all the ones I've been missing.
And do people really think they are going to build an oil terminal in Dalkey?
Are we going to see oil tankers coming in and out of Bulloch harbour, or Coliemore? I doubt it very much.0 -
ok the quote was from brophy, sorry. hard to tell you two apart ;-)The link you provide is from a crashed ship, could happen anywhere. Lots of ships have crashed / sunk in and around Dublin over the centuries and cargo ships of that size come and go weekly.
But Perhaps you'd prefer to swim in a shell spillage pond in the forest in ogoniland or ecuador instead if you feel it's closer to the true oil company experience.
http://www.tropical-rainforest-animals.com/Ecuador-Rainforest.html
oil is nice and thick there. lots of dead animals in the rainforest too. Maybe while you're there,have a chat with the locals about how great the project was for them and how good a cleanup the oil companies did. And if you think that stuff only happens to brown people in third world countries, think again and take a look what the IMF and ECB are doing to us financially. Its exactly what they used to do to brown people in third world countries. Until they took a stand, kicked out their corrupt governments and these companies and stopped taking it any more that is.I lived in Killiney for 27 years, even if I was still living there I would fully support putting a rig off the coast if it was worth it...
Yeah cookie, you're right. Who needs a clean environment when you can create a few dangerous temporary jobs, mostly for specialised people they bring in themselves.
Yeah its a really great trade off. I mean a few pubs might even sell a few extra pints, a few b&b's might rent a few extra rooms during construction. And the large volume of extra traffic grinding our ill maintained roads to a halt might burn some more fuel and pay some more tax while idling in the jams, no doubt improving our air quality.
maybe they'll pay enough extra fuel tax to pay for increasing numbers of kids with long term respiratory problems foisted on the HSE.
maybe even enough to offset the extra carbon taxes levied for the extra emissions from the platform flaring and emissions from the extra heavy road traffic and extra road repair / construction costs incurred by the state.
Or enough to compensate locals for loss of tourism over the next 30 years? I mean who in their right mind wants to visit an oil town on their holidays?
And worth it to who exactly?? sir anthony and a few insiders in government?? Maybe to a few paid internet spin doctors too perhaps(!).
Certainly not the irish citizens.
It might be a slightly different proposition if it was a state owned company as is the case with statoil in norway and the profits were going directly into state coffers.
Cookie, I do hope you are getting a few pieces of silver for supporting and running interference for this project from your comfy terminal in new zealand. because if you are not then you are truly an idiot and sir anthony is probably laughing his ass off at you.
The fracking boys got a few licences for pristine areas in the roscommon area etc. Maybe you should give them a call too.Where I live now there is also a huge gas fields off shore, not to mention dozens of land based oil and rigs and dozens more planned for the next 5 years. Doesn't bother me either and they are mature enough over here to know that the benefits far outweigh the risks.
Wake up and smell the coffee.Answer me this, does the constant ship traffic into Dublin cause you problems, do you go around protesting about that? Cause that puts out far more pollution than a rig ever will.
Pretty much destroyed the entire SEA many livelihoods in fishing and tourism and many of the habitats for local wildlife in the mangrove swamps along the coast
I guess it's cheaper to pay off politicians than clean up their messes it seems. Shouldn't be a problem if it happens here either!!Any one of those ships hits an obstacle or one of the sand banks you have a spill equal or worse than the Rena one you quoted above. But I bet you don't even give a second thought to it do you
This oil project will only INCREASE the ship traffic, increasing the chances of a spill as you describe. So this is an argument for the project how??
enjoy your swim cookie. wear goggles. And don't swallow!0 -
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You have to laugh at people having a fit over this, you would swear their gardens were being drilled for oil:pac: If it's going to happen no amount of whinging is going to stop it.0
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Fratton Fred wrote: »I walk along the sea front regularly and have done for the last five years. I've seen Dolphins once, so I'd be interested to know where I can find all the ones I've been missing.
http://iwdg.ie/iscope/sightings/default.asp?dataset=sightings&county=1185&location=&species=&resultsFormat=table&search1=Search
not sure what sea front you walk, but anybody who walks along the vico road or on killiney beach will see them often.0 -
http://iwdg.ie/iscope/sightings/default.asp?dataset=sightings&county=1185&location=&species=&resultsFormat=table&search1=Search
not sure what sea front you walk, but anybody who walks along the vico road or on killiney beach will see them often.
I'm on Killiney Beach, Killiney Hill and Sorrento Park fairly regularly. I must be unlucky I guess.0 -
Fratton, definitely unlucky, seen the dolphins a few times, great to watch and doubt they'd suddenly vanish when a rig is constructed. Head down to White Rock and you've a good chance.
Hedgehoggski....calm down a wee bit. I take a major interest in environmental issues but even I know that the effect of this drilling will be minimal to Dublin Bay. You seem to be (like most others) completely over hyping the entire situation. It is nowhere near the grand scale of the Nigeria delta or Gulf of Mexico or the North Sea. The EU, as well as the oil/gas industry itself has some of the most restrictive rules and safety standards in comparison to other industries.maybe they'll pay enough extra fuel tax to pay for increasing numbers of kids with long term respiratory problems foisted on the HSE.
It's also not for the benefit of the "1%", but for the entire country. If successful it will drive down energy prices and increase our energy security, which could become a big issue in years to come. As Cookie Monster said, the amount of commercial shipping in Dublin Bay means there's a threat a spill everyday. And it's not just "cheap" Chinese imports, but billions worth of Irish exports as well. What do you, for Ireland to be a closed economy?? Seriously, you're deluded in your argument again this.
Anyway, it's the fishing industry that does the most harm to our oceans.0 -
Man, Dalkey really is full of the crazies, come back Trevor all is forgiven :pac:
Hedgehoggski - I'm not even going to dignify that insane rant with a reply. Until you can say you don't use any imported products or oil in any form you're nothing but a raving hypocrit.0 -
Hedgehoggski wrote: »
Cookie, I do hope you are getting a few pieces of silver for supporting and running interference for this project from your comfy terminal in new zealand. because if you are not then you are truly an idiot and sir anthony is probably laughing his ass off at you.
Congratulations lad, no matter how good your arguement may have been; it's now redundant due to the above.0 -
crushproof wrote: »I know that the effect of this drilling will be minimal to Dublin Bay....<snip>.. The EU, as well as the oil/gas industry itself has some of the most restrictive rules and safety standards in comparison to other industries.
Really? you KNOW?? Perhaps you can give me next saturdays lotto numbers too!
And I'm sure people along 491 miles (790 kilometers) of coastline in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida that was highly contaminated by one single little well owned by BP oil which developed a problem would be convinced by your wacky "precognition" too. Not to mention all your "reassurances" about "standards". I'm sure everyone near an oil project gets all that kind of guff.
Its a game like politics. And winning it, like in politics, is all about saying anything you have to to get your foot in the door and your head in the trough. Then people can do nothing about it once its up and running.
No doubt the frackers will pump out lots of warm reassurances too from their slick PR mouthpieces (followed by pumping lots of toxic chemicals into our aquifers!). But reassurances mean nothing afterwards when you are dealing with the concrete consequences of such projects and the "reassurers" are nowhere to be seen.Do you give money to HSE to help kids with respiratory problems? I presume you drive a car or take public transport and use electricity, all of which emit Carbon dioxide everyday. Get real.
putting your somewhat flaky basic science/biology aside, my individual charity choices or my being on or off the grid has little to do with whether letting providence drill off dalkey is a good proposition for the Irish people. Its clearly not. Its just more money for sir tony and the 1%
The question is really whether we want to pointlessly risk our coastline being polluted, traffic being increased, tourism reduced etc etc all for nothing on the words of a few vested interests and their political friends..It's also not for the benefit of the "1%", but for the entire country. If successful it will drive down energy prices and increase our energy security,
quote:
"Through the second half of the 1980s and into the 1990s, the exploration terms for oil and gas companies were fundamentally restructured to the detriment of the exchequer. In this time, state royalties (or ownership of a percentage of any find) were abolished; a total exploration cost write-off was introduced, and; the corporation tax paid was slashed from 50% to 25% "
(interesting to note that both key politicians involved in this process were disgraced and corrupt.)
But won't providence just pipe off the oil and sell it to the highest bidder? There's nothing in the terms that state that they must sell any of it to Ireland. Same as the gas in erris. They can do exactly what they like with it.As Cookie Monster said, the amount of commercial shipping in Dublin Bay means there's a threat a spill everyday.And it's not just "cheap" Chinese imports, but billions worth of Irish exports as well. What do you, for Ireland to be a closed economy??
no but ideally I'd like us to decouple from the globalised world as much as we possibly can, kick out the right wing ideologues and have a people centric socialist government like our own mr connolly suggested, our own currency, sustainable agriculture, and engage in limited mutually beneficial trade for things we really need with countries who put people first. Maybe it's what you want but I don't want Ireland to be exactly like a mini america where all that matters is money not people.
Would a closed economy be so much worse than staying wide open and being ravaged by market forces and losing our soverignty altogether ??
closed economies weathered the storms of the recession much better than wide open ones like Ireland.Anyway, it's the fishing industry that does the most harm to our oceans.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bedirwk95Oc
However we no longer have a local fishing industry. We stupidly gave it away in order to be able to join that globalised market you're so enthusiastic about that has ultimately brought about our complete economic ruin.0 -
Cookie_Monster wrote: »who's we? The residents of Dalkey, yes from increased spending due to jobs and workers spending their money in towns local to the operations. The government, yes from licences, company taxes, employee taxes, fuel duties etc. The local economy, yes from increased port usage, increased related industry usage (cleaning, food, parts etc usage)
A rig or well does not exist in it's own little world where a big evil corporation just parks a ship beside it and steals all the oil from us you know. The benefits of oil and gas operations would be massive to the local area if there is indeed enough juice down there for it to be worthwhile.
Sorry to burst your bubblr, but i've been in contact with my local councillers and Jim O'Dea jimodea@cllr.dlrcoco.ie has got back to me. in his email he stated.Oil find would see oil shipped to cork for refining. All personnelcoptered from dub airport.
so that means absolutly no benefit to the local economy, all staff will live by the airport, all proccessing will be in whitegate.0 -
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so that means absolutly no benefit to the local economy, all staff will live by the airport, all proccessing will be in whitegate.
What, in caravans?! :rolleyes:
I've worked in the offshore industry and many of the people (including a large number of highly skilled and experienced Irish) like myself lived nowhere near our place of work or the airport. In fact a lot lived in the remoter parts of the UK and Ireland. Working offshore means you don't have to migrate with your family but can settle in rural communities. But you go to Aberdeen or Stavanger (neither of which have a refinery) and you see how the oil wealth has transformed these small cities. If we could tap into a fraction of that, it would be a welcome change.0 -
What, in caravans?!
no more like swords or some where similar.0 -
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Really? you KNOW?? Perhaps you can give me next saturdays lotto numbers too!
And I'm sure people along 491 miles (790 kilometers) of coastline in Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida that was highly contaminated by one single little well owned by BP oil which developed a problem would be convinced by your wacky "precognition" too. Not to mention all your "reassurances" about "standards". I'm sure everyone near an oil project gets all that kind of guff.
Well I do know that there hasn't been any significant oil spill from an oil rig in EU waters, yes there is an extremly slim chance of an incident but there's more chance of pollution from sewage and waste water in Dublin Bay.
And also, the Deepwater Horizon wasn't a "little well", it had drilled the deepest oil well in history....I somehow doubt they're trying replicate that in Dublin Bay.No doubt the frackers will pump out lots of warm reassurances too from their slick PR mouthpieces (followed by pumping lots of toxic chemicals into our aquifers!).
Pardon, but I'm actually 100% again fracking as it is a despicable way of extracting gas and destroying our aquifers and land.Putting your somewhat flaky basic science/biology aside, my individual charity choices or my being on or off the grid has little to do with whether letting providence drill off dalkey is a good proposition for the Irish people. Its clearly not. Its just more money for sir tony and the 1%.
I admire your certainty! So the 1% won't benefit then? not even sir tony? How naive of you!
Erm, you're the one who brought up the whole donating to the HSE thing first. And of course it's more money for Sir Tony, he does own the company, that's what tends to happen in a capitalist society, you turn a profit to make money.And how much tax will they actually pay when all the exploration costs have been "creatively" written off? You are aware of Irish exploration terms thanks to ray burke and bertie aren't you??
Ah, this old guff. "Oh lets compare the Norweigan oil terms against Irish terms. You do realise the costs involved in oil and gas exploration? The strike rate for an oil find is 1 in 4 in Norway, in Ireland it's roughly 1 in 30. This means the costs involved in finding reserves are substantially higher in Ireland, and therefore scares off investors. So naturally enough the government has to implement softer tax rates to attract private exploration firms to develop our oil & gas infrastructure. I honestly do think it should be higher but until oil prices increase it is unlikely that the terms will change.But why increase this risk needlessly just to line the likes of sir tony's pockets??
Come off it, the world needs oil and gas...end off. Why risk the ecology of the Norweigan coast, or the Middle East, or Africa, or South America...just to line mutinationals profits??? Oil and gas are essential to modern day living, whether you like it or not. And we are far better off having it located close to our shore, rather than having it imported from the Middle East, which increases the chances of oil tankers being broken apart in rough seas on the way here.Would a closed economy be so much worse than staying wide open and being ravaged by market forces and losing our soverignty altogether ??
closed economies weathered the storms of the recession much better than wide open ones like Ireland.
Ah yes, the closed economy of De Valeras time did wonders for the Irish economy, how many emigrated during the 1950's while the rest of Europe boomed?0 -
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No swords isn't local to dalkey or killiney and a dozen extra people working in Dublin won't really have.much benefit. The loss of tourism in the local area would have a major affect.0
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For Gods Sake .....
DRILL BABY DRILL......( but for Gods Sake make sure the Royalties are
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No swords isn't local to dalkey or killiney and a dozen extra people working in Dublin won't really have.much benefit. The loss of tourism in the local area would have a major affect.
That's an extra dozen people who can living comfortably and provide for their families, I'm all for that.
Also, is 6/7km local to Dalkey? I doubt you'd call Stillorgan local to Dalkey, that's roughly the same distance from the oil well.
And can you substantiate on the loss of tourism? How does one oil well, over 6km out to sea, affect tourism? They're not turning the Irish Sea into Kuwait.0 -
I'd insist on a pipe from the rig to Dublin Port, where there's already facilities to deal with oilspills & let them drill away.
I suspect the major reason for opposition from some quarters would be having to worry about a navigational hazard from their afternoon's sailing in Dun Laoghaire.0 -
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I wonder do the residents of Dalkey also object to the wind turbines planned for the Kish bank, after all they'll spoil the view and maybe a few dozy birds will fly into them.Aylin Thoughtless Selflessness wrote: »I'd insist on a pipe from the rig to Dublin Port, where there's already facilities to deal with oilspills & let them drill away.
why, only to load it and ship it to Cork anyway, unless they build a refinery in Dublin, there's not a whole lot of point bringing it in.0 -
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Cookie no one againest the drilling has made a comment about the view that's the pro people, kind of proves to me that they don't really no what there on about.0
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