How much should I be charged?

orchidsrpretty · 11-01-2012 04:48PM #1

Hi all, I am replacing my boiler. I have already got a new one and have been ringing around to get a price for a installation. Its going to be a straight forward job. The prices I have got range from 800 to 1100(inc VAT).
I was expecting to have to pay at most 400e.
Why are the charges so high? It will be a 1 day job, so 800e for 1 day of labour seems crazy to me.

I do admit I don't really have a clue about these things, can anyone inform me as to why the charges are so high?

Thanks.

Billy Bunting · 11-01-2012 04:57PM

Who said it would be a straight forward job ?? what boiler have you and what are you replacing with ??

orchidsrpretty · 11-01-2012 05:04PM

A number of plumbers who know my area and have dealt with boilers in my estate. When I asked how long it would take they say "well its a straight forward job-would take a day, that will be 800e, thanks".........

The old boiler is a vokera(sp) and the new one is a Worchester Greenstar Ri,

Thanks

gdavis · 11-01-2012 05:24PM

ask them are they gonna powerflush the heating system before installing boiler?!

Billy Bunting · 11-01-2012 05:26PM

OTT!!, i would imagine i would be happy with 400 for a days work, but i ain't seen the job.

orchidsrpretty · 11-01-2012 05:31PM

gdavis wrote: »

ask them are they gonna powerflush the heating system before installing boiler?!

Not sure if its the same thing but have been told the system will need to be bled. Have been ripped off so many times by tradesmen, I think they just see a person who hasn't a clue about anything and charge me accordling, unfortunatly this time I just don't have the cash to go along with it.

Stove Fan · 11-01-2012 05:53PM

Wow it sounds very expensive too me:eek: I would be happy with 200 a day but can't even find work.

400 a day I would be delighted:D I certainly think 800 a day is OTT even if it is a complicated job or takes longer. I say keep looking, there is a recession!!

Stove Fan:)

orchidsrpretty · 11-01-2012 06:03PM

Stove Fan wrote: »

Wow it sounds very expensive too me:eek: I would be happy with 200 a day but can't even find work.

400 a day I would be delighted:D I certainly think 800 a day is OTT even if it is a complicated job or takes longer than a week. I say keep looking, there is a recession!!

Stove Fan:)

Yeah maybe I am looking in the wrong places, I have been getting the numbers off the RGI site. Any recommendations for places I should be looking for numbers? Thanks

Joey the lips · 11-01-2012 06:30PM

You should not have bought the boiler yourself. It would have worked out cheaper for the installer as it would have been a service job and s.he could reclaim the vat

about 1000 euro i imagine the price to be for installiation

tayto lover · 11-01-2012 06:34PM

If someone does a days work, no matter how hard, and walks off with 200e in his pocket then its a nice little earner. That's a grand for 5 days -- nice lolly.

sullzz · 11-01-2012 06:41PM

tayto lover wrote: »

If someone does a days work, no matter how hard, and walks off with 200e in his pocket then its a nice little earner. That's a grand for 5 days -- nice lolly.

I dibt think itd be 200 euro on the pocket , what about tax , diesel , fittings abd pipe , etc

Billy Bunting · 11-01-2012 06:41PM

tayto lover wrote: »

If someone does a days work, no matter how hard, and walks off with 200e in his pocket then its a nice little earner. That's a grand for 5 days -- nice lolly.

Obviously not self employed or in business.

Billy Bunting · 11-01-2012 06:43PM

Joey the lips wrote: »

about 1000 euro i imagine the price to be for installiation

:eek:

Do you get a lot of work Joey

orchidsrpretty · 11-01-2012 06:48PM

Joey the lips wrote: »

You should not have bought the boiler yourself. It would have worked out cheaper for the installer as it would have been a service job and s.he could reclaim the vat

about 1000 euro i imagine the price to be for installiation

I was given the boiler, so I could still go ahead and get one off the installer but even then I am being quoted 1800-2500k which is way out of price range at the monent and I need to get it sorted asap. So if boilers are costing about 600(without VAT) I am getting charged 1200+ for an installation. Or am I missing something?

gdavis · 11-01-2012 07:04PM

1000 euro for installation joey???? does that include a powerflush?

gdavis · 11-01-2012 07:09PM

the system needs to be bled???? i think u r bein bled dry!!!

anuprising · 11-01-2012 07:35PM

joey is spot on at €1000 (800 plus vat )
thats for a proper job but wont be done in a day
cleansed and flushed ,condensate redrill flue ,repipe etc ,2 days to do it properly

sure the going rate to commission a condensing boiler is €150

bord sierra pay thier installers €450 so you can guess if you pay peanuts you get monkeys

edit - i should add that when you pay 800 that includes all the back up services you would expect from a professional ,call backs to check system after two weeks and a month ,plus any issue in the first year

pay a man a days wage to install it and i gaurantee there will be no back up service and could cost you more in the long run

Joey the lips · 11-01-2012 08:12PM

gdavis wrote: »

1000 euro for installation joey???? does that include a powerflush?

Every new boiler should include a power flush and any good plumber will know this. Especially the ones with fabricated exchangers. If the op is not happy with the price you know the rule of thumb...

3 QUOTES....

Stove Fan · 11-01-2012 08:25PM

I'm just staggered that you can get 800 euro to install an oil boiler.
In the UK around 8 years ago I used to fit brand new gas combi boiler heating systems in 2 or 3 bed terraces.
Either Glow worm 23 or for an extra £100 worcester 24I mains gas combi boilers and 7 rads with 6 trv's and upgrade the gas supply for around £1,500 all in for everything. Used to take around 5 days on my own in a two bed edwardian terraced house using all copper piping, lifting the floorboards and refitting the carpets etc.

I used to get around £400 out of the deal. There were others doing the same for around 1,750. There was massive competition in Birmingham in the UK and kept the prices low.

I used to buy my heatpack from; http://mrcentralheating.co.uk/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=125_124_130

There are great deals in the UK on some things compared to here.
I find the choice in things better, but way prefer to live here in a country area that I couldn't possibly afford to buy in the UK.

Stove Fan:D

Billy Bunting · 11-01-2012 10:04PM

That wee Tiger still running about in places.

I keep forgetting thats theres a price for a job and then theres a Dublin price for the job. :rolleyes:

The OP has these quotes from various plumbers for a straight forward days work, their words, i really can't see how their justified.

anuprising · 11-01-2012 10:35PM

how many seai jobs have you done billy ?

gdavis · 11-01-2012 10:40PM

thats fair enough joey if it includes powerflush,but i guarantee that a hell of a lot of lads would not be doing one

Billy Bunting · 11-01-2012 10:46PM

anuprising wrote: »

how many seai jobs have you done billy ?

Ah!! thats it, these guys were seai approved, justification.

Billy Bunting · 11-01-2012 10:48PM

There are guys around my manor who are washing windows to make a pound, they would cut it to the bone to get the job.

anuprising · 11-01-2012 10:48PM

nobody said that billy , it was a question designed to draw an answer to draw a conclusion

anuprising · 11-01-2012 11:02PM

Billy Bunting wrote: »

There are guys around my manor who are washing windows to make a pound, they would cut it to the bone to get the job.

tell them to get in touch with sierra/ bord gais , as I said they pay €450 ,even in your 'manor' .
they pay thier service guys 40 plus vat for a service so they pay 10 times that amount for a boiler install
everyone here goes on about a proper service costing €80 , so multiply by 10 and a proper install should be around € 800

Merch · 12-01-2012 09:21AM

anuprising wrote: »

joey is spot on at €1000 (800 plus vat )
thats for a proper job but wont be done in a day
cleansed and flushed ,condensate redrill flue ,repipe etc ,2 days to do it properly

sure the going rate to commission a condensing boiler is €150

bord sierra pay thier installers €450 so you can guess if you pay peanuts you get monkeys

edit - i should add that when you pay 800 that includes all the back up services you would expect from a professional ,call backs to check system after two weeks and a month ,plus any issue in the first year

pay a man a days wage to install it and i gaurantee there will be no back up service and could cost you more in the long run

Id prefer to pay them that when they call back myself, rather than hope they return after being paid, whats included in a powerflush that seems to make the extra cost? over flushing the system out normally?

tayto lover · 12-01-2012 09:55AM

"Power flush" sounds good but 600e extra for it sounds bad.

gdavis · 12-01-2012 10:36AM

a power flush is basically treating ur system with chemicals before flushing out system with a powerflush machine which ensures every rad and all pipework are cleared of sludge and iron oxide build up thus ensuring ur new boiler will be going on to a clean system which ensures u get most from ur boiler.it is usually a full days work as u have to flush each rad etc.

DGOBS · 12-01-2012 10:43AM

Most flushing machines do not have to be connected to each rad, usually at one point in the system, but each rad would be individually flushed (by closing the rest) and still takes about a day, pre-treating with chemicals as required a week or so before flushing is recommended, hot flush reduces flushing time by almost 50%.

If a new boiler is installed without flushing it will void the warranty from the majority of manufacturers!!!

gdavis · 12-01-2012 10:48AM

edited lol

How much should I be charged?

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