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Why Jurassic Park was ruined for me

  • 08-01-2012 4:48pm
    #1
    danniemcq
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭


    Just flicking through the channels there now and I see that my all time favourite movie from when I was but a wee lad was on. Jurrasic Park.

    I was in awe watching it as a kid, here was my favourite creatures in front of me on the big screen, each lovingly recreated and they looked real (even today its impressive). I had everything to do with the movie, lunchboxes, toys etc. And all through my teens I loved it, it was a Christmas tradition almost. I bought the VHS and when i got a DVD player I bought the DVD. I hummed the music on a daily basis and still do, it would be my favourite movie of all time except for one thing.

    Its that fcuking scene where NEdry is went off the road and needs a winch out. Every single time i see it i hope that maybe all the other times i've made it up. That it was all in my head that this time maybe... this time it won't happen but it does.

    Nedry falls over and there is a sound.

    A cartoon/slapstick sound of a wo wo woooo that is nearly whistled anytime someone falls over. it was just on TV3 there now and I heard it again and it ruins the movie for me, I can forgive little mistakes in dino names and general movie mistakes as unless you are really looking for them 99% of the time you don't notice and it doesn't ruin a movie. But this, THIS.. it beggers belief. I cringe at it, you can't ignore it.

    And for that reason this movie would probably only just about make my top 10.

    It sounds pety but its how it makes me feel. Doesw anyone else agree or am I taking it wayyyy to seriously?
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  • #2
    juan.kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    danniemcq wrote: »
    Its that fcuking scene where NEdry is went off the road and needs a winch out. Every single time i see it i hope that maybe all the other times i've made it up. That it was all in my head that this time maybe... this time it won't happen but it does.

    Nedry falls over and there is a sound.

    A cartoon/slapstick sound of a wo wo woooo that is nearly whistled anytime someone falls over.

    What?


  • #3
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Didn't you know? That was the hooting of a woodland dinosaur. The timing was just a coincidence! :pac:


  • #4
    BunShopVoyeur
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,268 ✭✭✭BunShopVoyeur


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d921M-ACMM4


    Yeah it's there alright........although I always assumed that sound was the cable retracting when he lets go of it.


  • #5
    danniemcq
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    BunShopVoyeur wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d921M-ACMM4


    Yeah it's there alright........although I always assumed that sound was the cable retracting when he lets go of it.

    9 seconds in he falls, the sound goes weeeeeee and he rolls down the hill and then picks up the cable that is down beside him

    with the amount he had pulled out before falling i could see it hitting the bottom, there is no cable automatically retracting

    DAMN YOU SPIELBERG!

    also the cable isn't pulled tight after he attaches it to a tree so i'd assume there is again no auto retract!


  • #6
    danniemcq
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    juan.kerr wrote: »
    What?

    9 seconds into the clip above when he falls that noise!


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  • #7
    tuxy
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    Now ruined for me too, thanks :(


  • #8
    View Profile
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    That's gas, never noticed that before. :D


  • #9
    GabbyJay
    Registered Users Posts: 49 ✭GabbyJay


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Didn't you know? That was the hooting of a woodland dinosaur. The timing was just a coincidence! :pac:

    This is true I believe... it's the same whistle that the small dinosaurs make, it's just bad timing (or a joke by the sound editors) to put it right as he slips. OP you should try to forgive this one.


  • #10
    juan.kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    We should all burn our copies forthwith. If this is enough to put you off something and scar you for life, I'd hate to see what happens when you girlfriend/boyfriend gets a spot or your kid farts.


  • #11
    MagicMarker
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    First world problems.


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  • #12
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Didn't you know? That was the hooting of a woodland dinosaur. The timing was just a coincidence! :pac:
    GabbyJay wrote: »
    This is true I believe... it's the same whistle that the small dinosaurs make, it's just bad timing (or a joke by the sound editors) to put it right as he slips. OP you should try to forgive this one.

    Exactly, it's just an Easter Egg. A little tacky maybe but kind of clever in a comical way.


  • #13
    juan.kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    MagicMarker wrote: »
    First world problems.

    Because we live in the 'First world'. What other sort of problems would we have?


  • #14
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    juan.kerr wrote: »
    Because we live in the 'First world'. What other sort of problems would we have?

    I think he is implying that it is nitpicking a very minor perceived fault in a classic.


  • #15
    Shryke
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,199 ✭✭✭Shryke


    What ruins it way more for me is that brontosaurus wasn't actually real. That whole scene at the start where they look all majestic. That dinosaur never existed.


  • #16
    MyKeyG
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭MyKeyG


    From IMDb FAQ:
    What is the cartoon whistle sound when Nedry slips down the waterfall?
    Contrary to popular belief, the sound is not a comedic insertion by Spielberg. In fact, it is the sound of him wrenching the tow cable from the front of the jeep as he slips down the waterfall.


  • #17
    juan.kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    Shryke wrote: »
    That dinosaur never existed.

    Pheobe, is that you?


  • #18
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Shryke wrote: »
    What ruins it way more for me is that brontosaurus wasn't actually real. That whole scene at the start where they look all majestic. That dinosaur never existed.

    Actually it's supposed to be a Brachiosaurus, however it more closely resembles a similar dinosaur called Giraffatitan.


  • #19
    Fittle
    Registered Users Posts: 2,775 ✭✭✭Fittle


    Just watched that clip four times before I could hear it. Heard it.

    But can't understand how on earth that could ruin a whole movie for you OP - particularly this movie, which is amazing in so many other aspects.

    If something like this can bother you so much..well..


  • #20
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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    Shryke wrote: »
    What ruins it way more for me is that brontosaurus wasn't actually real. That whole scene at the start where they look all majestic. That dinosaur never existed.

    they were in the land before time, that's enough for me


  • #21
    Blikes
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 437 ✭✭Blikes


    Maybe it was the dinosaur laughing?!


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  • #22
    danniemcq
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    tuxy wrote: »
    Now ruined for me too, thanks :(
    Sorry :(
    MagicMarker wrote: »
    First world problems.

    yip i know
    MyKeyG wrote: »
    From IMDb FAQ:

    i've listened to it again and again and the sound is completly different to the sound that the winch makes when its pulled out originally
    Fittle wrote: »
    Just watched that clip four times before I could hear it. Heard it.

    But can't understand how on earth that could ruin a whole movie for you OP - particularly this movie, which is amazing in so many other aspects.

    If something like this can bother you so much..well..

    as i said before i can forgive movie mistakes and mess ups but this is something different, this was something that was ADDED to the movie for no reason other than it seems for sh*ts and giggles.

    I mean the Dinosaur name mistake could be taken two ways, either they were confused as brontosaurus and apatosaurus were originally thought to be different but turns out after much investigation that they were the same so it was called apatosarus so it could be a play to make a subtle joke at science with that or a genuine mistake where the writers got it as wrong as scientists had before!

    but unless you are actually looking for mistakes like this you will usually miss them, but this added horribleness just makes me cringe


  • #23
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    danniemcq wrote: »
    I mean the Dinosaur name mistake could be taken two ways, either they were confused as brontosaurus and apatosaurus were originally thought to be different but turns out after much investigation that they were the same so it was called apatosarus so it could be a play to make a subtle joke at science with that or a genuine mistake where the writers got it as wrong as scientists had before!

    Ive said it before and I'll say it again Brontosaurus and Brachiosaurus are not the same thing! In Jurassic Park they are called Brachiosaurus.

    41ntiYAqqbL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

    Besides, it looks more like a Giraffatitan anyway... It was a common mistake at the time to mix up Brachiosaurus with Giraffatitan.


  • #24
    Turtyturd
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    All I can picture now is Al from Toy Story 2.:(


  • #25
    Goldstein
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,551 ✭✭✭Goldstein


    I hear they're doing a worldwide recall of all DVDs and Blu-rays because of this.


  • #26
    danniemcq
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    Galvasean wrote: »
    Ive said it before and I'll say it again Brontosaurus and Brachiosaurus are not the same thing! In Jurassic Park they are called Brachiosaurus.

    41ntiYAqqbL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

    Besides, it looks more like a Giraffatitan anyway... It was a common mistake at the time to mix up Brachiosaurus with Giraffatitan.

    sorry my bad,
    from the script wrote:
    TIM (cont'd)
    Hey! Those are brontosauruses - - I mean, those are
    brachiosauruses.

    GRANT
    It's okay to call them brontosaurs, Tim. It's a great
    name. It's a romantic name. It means "thunder lizard".

    TIM
    (digging that)
    "Thunder lizard!"

    and
    He gets out of the jeep, and Ellie follows. Grant points to the
    thing and manages to put together his first words since its appearance:

    GRANT
    THAT'S A DINOSAUR!

    - - a dinosaur. Chewing the branches. Technically, it's a
    brachiosaur, of the sauropod family, but we've always called it
    brontosaurus. It CRUCHES the branch in its mouth, which is some
    thirty-five feet up off the ground, at the end of its long, arching
    neck. It stares down at the people in the car with a pleasant, stupid
    gaze.

    my earlier point that unless you actually knew dinosaurs like you obviously do this would have passed straight over your head.

    There are lots of examples like this in movies where someone who knows the subject matter will notice things that others don't.

    With the sound its something thats really obvious and once heard cannot be unheard


  • #27
    al28283
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭al28283


    Shryke wrote: »
    What ruins it way more for me is that brontosaurus wasn't actually real. That whole scene at the start where they look all majestic. That dinosaur never existed.

    Don't remember any Brontosaurus in the first movie.
    They did exist, it had just already been discovered and named.


  • #28
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    danniemcq wrote: »

    my earlier point that unless you actually knew dinosaurs like you obviously do this would have passed straight over your head.

    There are lots of examples like this in movies where someone who knows the subject matter will notice things that others don't.

    That's true. For me dinosaurs are my 'thing' that I notice stuff that most would not notice or even care about.
    FWIW, the use of the term 'brontosaur' in Jurassic Park is derived from colloquialism, in that Joe Soap with little or no knowledge of dinosaurs often refers to all sauropods (the long necked dinosaurs) as Brontosaurus as the name is ingrained in popular culture.
    al28283 wrote: »
    Don't remember any Brontosaurus in the first movie.
    They did exist, it had just already been discovered and named.

    Exactly. Here is more info on the confusion (for those interested):
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brontosaurus#Classification_and_species


  • #29
    wp_rathead
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    ya i remember noticing that few years back- and I always cringe at that moment, still great film though regardless..

    GOD I LOVE DINOSAURS
    Dinosaur-02-june.gif


  • #30
    al28283
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭al28283


    When Nedry steals the embryo's from the cooling thing, some of the dino's names are spelt wrong


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  • #31
    al28283
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭al28283


    Galvasean wrote: »
    FWIW, the use of the term 'brontosaur' in Jurassic Park is derived from colloquialism


    When do they mention a Brontosaur in Jurassic Park?
    The only time I can think of it is when Tim says it and then corrects himself, but thats just a kid getting the wrong dino.


  • #32
    Mickeroo
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    posted this in palaeontology the other day.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQrRg3LtjXY


  • #33
    chin_grin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,808 ✭✭✭✭chin_grin


    YES! I was wondering what the funk that sound was. Thanks for the (justified) rant and the answer (posted above).


  • #34
    adox
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    Bizzarist complaint about a movie ever.

    Advise OP to get treated for OCD.


  • #35
    sillo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 226 ✭✭sillo


    Amazing. I never noticed this before, now I'll never be able to forget it!


  • #36
    BopNiblets
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    I'm still waiting for the directors cut with extra dinosaurs that Jack was watching in that one episide of Father Ted...
    C'mon Speilberg, get your thumb out!


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  • #37
    Linguo
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    Even with mistakes Jurassic Park is one of the best movies ever, won't hear anything bad said against it, watched it again today and the scene where the t-rex first breaks through the fence and steps out onto the road is still one of the best scenes of cinema, and I don't care how far CGI has come, it looks fricking real!:D


  • #38
    unklerosco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,828 ✭✭✭unklerosco


    If anything the OP's complaint makes the movie better!


  • #39
    flanree
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    rather than the cable retracting I would guess its the sound of him pulling the cable out at speed as he falls


  • #40
    krudler
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,788 ✭✭✭✭krudler


    I always just thought it was the sound of his feet slipping on the wet rocks, doesnt bother me a bit


  • #41
    Tipsy McSwagger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,068 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    danniemcq wrote: »
    Just flicking through the channels there now and I see that my all time favourite movie from when I was but a wee lad was on. Jurrasic Park.

    I was in awe watching it as a kid, here was my favourite creatures in front of me on the big screen, each lovingly recreated and they looked real (even today its impressive). I had everything to do with the movie, lunchboxes, toys etc. And all through my teens I loved it, it was a Christmas tradition almost. I bought the VHS and when i got a DVD player I bought the DVD. I hummed the music on a daily basis and still do, it would be my favourite movie of all time except for one thing.

    Its that fcuking scene where NEdry is went off the road and needs a winch out. Every single time i see it i hope that maybe all the other times i've made it up. That it was all in my head that this time maybe... this time it won't happen but it does.

    Nedry falls over and there is a sound.

    A cartoon/slapstick sound of a wo wo woooo that is nearly whistled anytime someone falls over. it was just on TV3 there now and I heard it again and it ruins the movie for me, I can forgive little mistakes in dino names and general movie mistakes as unless you are really looking for them 99% of the time you don't notice and it doesn't ruin a movie. But this, THIS.. it beggers belief. I cringe at it, you can't ignore it.

    And for that reason this movie would probably only just about make my top 10.

    It sounds pety but its how it makes me feel. Doesw anyone else agree or am I taking it wayyyy to seriously?

    Clever girl


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  • #42
    Kersh
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    Ah the sound never bothered me at all, but I still love Nedry's line -

    "Im gonna run you over when I come back down"

    He says it so . . . expectantly :D


  • #43
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    al28283 wrote: »
    When Nedry steals the embryo's from the cooling thing, some of the dino's names are spelt wrong

    It's mad. They get two of the most famous dinosaurs, Tyrannosaurus and Stegosaurus wrong, but get the incredibly obscure Metriacanthosaurus perfect. Madness!
    al28283 wrote: »
    When do they mention a Brontosaur in Jurassic Park?
    The only time I can think of it is when Tim says it and then corrects himself, but thats just a kid getting the wrong dino.

    I think there are Apatosaurus in the book. Its been ages since I read it, but I do think Grant at one point mentions that they are the same thing as Brontosaurus.
    Apatosaurus is definitely in The Lost world book. For some reason they replaced it with Mamenchisaurus in the film. My guess, because it was bloody massive!

    Mamenchisaurus.jpg


  • #44
    krudler
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    Kersh wrote: »
    Ah the sound never bothered me at all, but I still love Nedry's line -

    "Im gonna run you over when I come back down"

    He says it so . . . expectantly :D

    "ahhh no wonder you're extinct!"


  • #45
    bnt
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    Another example of a scene being coloured by what you know is the scene with the electric fence, since I know a bit about electricity.

    If you're hanging on an electric fence, and you're not touching anything else, what happens when they turn it on? Nothing. You won't get shocked, and you won't get "blown off" it as the kid was. He would have been quite safe to stay there as long as he didn't touch anything else but the live fence. If he had tried to climb down, and touched the ground and the fence at the same time, he would have been toast. The safe thing to do in that situation is to jump off, getting well clear of the fence before you touch anything else.

    edit: but see below for a deadly detail about that particular fence!

    Death has this much to be said for it:
    You don’t have to get out of bed for it.
    Wherever you happen to be
    They bring it to you—free.

    — Kingsley Amis



  • #46
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    ^^ Good advice :D


  • #47
    danniemcq
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,163 ✭✭✭✭danniemcq


    bnt wrote: »
    Another example of a scene being coloured by what you know is the scene with the electric fence, since I know a bit about electricity.

    If you're hanging on an electric fence, and you're not touching anything else, what happens when they turn it on? Nothing. You won't get shocked, and you won't get "blown off" it as the kid was. He would have been quite safe to stay there as long as he didn't touch anything else but the live fence. If he had tried to climb down, and touched the ground and the fence at the same time, he would have been toast. The safe thing to do in that situation is to jump off, getting well clear of the fence before you touch anything else.

    dragging this even more off topic but question regarding these fences. If say the fence was

    Live fence

    earthed line

    live

    earth line

    would that be possible? as i was thinking of this and if not that would have made the raptor fences useless as they would have had to jump to attack them, so if there was an earthed cable between the live ones even if the raptor was jumping and not touching the earth would they have been shocked by touching the live and earth?

    if this is the way the raptor fences are set up would you not assume that they would have done it park wide?


  • #48
    bnt
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    danniemcq wrote: »
    dragging this even more off topic but question regarding these fences. If say the fence was

    Live fence

    earthed line

    live

    earth line
    I think you have a point there, actually. Take a look at the (too big to embed) picture halfway down this page, and you can clearly see that they must be alternating live / earth lines. Half the lines have insulators, and half of them don't i.e. they're earthed to the fence posts. The earth lines are thinner, I must have missed them.

    So: ouch! But the kid still would not have gone flying through the air: his fingers would have locked on the line, with no safe way to get him off quickly. eek.gif

    Death has this much to be said for it:
    You don’t have to get out of bed for it.
    Wherever you happen to be
    They bring it to you—free.

    — Kingsley Amis



  • #49
    Galvasean
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,746 ✭✭✭✭Galvasean


    Maybe I'm being rose tinted in my defense of my favorite film, but was Tim not in the process of jumping off right as the fence turned on, hence the zap?


  • #50
    The King of Moo
    Registered Users Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    This is still possibly my favourite film, but one thing that really bugged me as a kid was when they were in the tree watching the brachiosaurs.
    Grant asks Tim to tell him what species they are and Tim initially says "brontosaurus" before correcting himself and saying "brachiosaurus."

    Now as a dino-loving ten-year old, I couldn't suspend disbelief enough to believe that a kid with an incredible knowledge of dinosaurs would (a) not recognise the distinctive brachiosaur and; (b) use the outdated term "brontosaurus" instead of "apatosaurus."

    I was such a cool kid.


  • #51
    veXual
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    Galvasean wrote: »
    Maybe I'm being rose tinted in my defense of my favorite film, but was Tim not in the process of jumping off right as the fence turned on, hence the zap?

    Funny thing about this scene that myself and the brother noticed was Grants countdown.

    "I'm goin to count to twee, One, Two, Twee"

    Cracks us up every time.


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