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  • #5852
    kryogen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    Cant really speak about the rest but I can say that myself and Blatter have certainly not been calling Liverpool or their fans vile and despicable and we thanked the post :)


    EDIT:

    Btw, where is MrAlan?


  • #5853
    Will I Amnt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    kryogen wrote: »
    Cant really speak about the rest but I can say that myself and Blatter have certainly not been calling Liverpool or their fans vile and despicable and we thanked the post :)


    EDIT:

    Btw, where is MrAlan?
    You can add me to that list too.


  • #5854
    Handsome Bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    JimsAlterEgo wrote: »
    from my point of view its nice to see a Liverpool fan show some impartiality to the situation.

    He ain't the first one. ;)

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=76250590&postcount=4984

    But like Slick, I don't appreciate the attitude of a few Man U fans here.


  • #5855
    kryogen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 25,953 ✭✭✭✭kryogen


    Handsome Bob wrote: »
    He ain't the first one. ;)

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=76250590&postcount=4984

    But like Slick, I don't appreciate the attitude of a few Man U fans here.


    You will get "extremists" on both sides though, people who just want to have a pop regardless, and others who then get tarred with the same brush. Its unfortunate but that the internet!


  • #5856
    JimsAlterEgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭JimsAlterEgo


    Handsome Bob wrote: »
    He ain't the first one. ;)

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=76250590&postcount=4984

    But like Slick, I don't appreciate the attitude of a few Man U fans here.

    forgive me for not reading the full thread, its a bit long :D


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  • #5857
    stesaurus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,035 ✭✭✭stesaurus


    Handsome Bob wrote: »
    He ain't the first one. ;)

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=76250590&postcount=4984

    But like Slick, I don't appreciate the attitude of a few Man U fans here.

    Which fans are you talking about so? I thanked the post too :D


  • #5858
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Handsome Bob wrote: »
    He ain't the first one. ;)

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=76250590&postcount=4984

    But like Slick, I don't appreciate the attitude of a few Man U fans here.
    where did Slick say "Man U" fans in his post? There was a big deal about the phrase "Liverpool fans" being said a couple of days ago, why are you now generalising?


  • #5859
    Handsome Bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    Liam O wrote: »
    where did Slick say "Man U" fans in his post? There was a big deal about the phrase "Liverpool fans" being said a couple of days ago, why are you now generalising?
    i still don't appreciate those rival fans who choose to call the club and its fans vile, despicable, and every other name under the sun.

    My apologies, he said rival fans instead of Man U fans. ;)

    And I ain't generalising, that's why said a few i.e. a minority.


  • #5860
    _blank_
    Closed Accounts Posts: 41,926 ✭✭✭✭_blank_


    Handsome Bob wrote: »
    My apologies, he said rival fans instead of Man U fans. ;)

    And I ain't generalising, that's why said a few i.e. a minority.

    you didn't type the word few or minority in your last couple of posts.


  • #5861
    Blatter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    cambo2008 wrote: »
    This thread would probably die out quick enough if people didn't come along with these new revelations that somehow everybody else missed in the report or providing links that try and clear his name on a misunderstanding.

    It'll die down once Liverpool say they will not be appealing(very likely IMO).

    Personally, I was more pissed off at Liverpool for the veiled leaks through the media that attacked Evra's credibility as well as the public, open attack on him in their statement.

    Amazing how the only side of the story to actually leak was the one Suarez/Liverpool provided, with the "South American" insult intact, "you're booking me because I'm black", the single instance of "negro" being used by Suarez. The negrito 'term of endearment' was also leaked along with that word Sudaca, despite neither term being relevant to the case at all.

    It doesn't take a genius to work out where all those leaks were coming from, does it?

    The public backing of Suarez with the t-shirts et all was more royal stupidity than anything else, as Slick said.

    Anyway I'm not going to call the club/Dalglish names or have a go at their fans as that achieves nothing for me personally. The club has paid enough of a price with their reputation that will take some time to be repaired. Hopefully all parties can just move on from this soon.


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  • #5862
    Handsome Bob
    Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 ✭✭✭✭Handsome Bob


    Handsome Bob wrote: »
    He ain't the first one. ;)

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=76250590&postcount=4984

    But like Slick, I don't appreciate the attitude of a few Man U fans here.
    Des wrote: »
    you didn't type the word few or minority in your last couple of posts.

    Yeah, I did, see above. :)


  • #5863
    daveyboy_1ie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,352 ✭✭✭daveyboy_1ie


    SlickRic wrote: »
    well, just back after a few days, and it's not good news.

    Liverpool fans are in denial if they still believe our club is being picked on, and that Evra is still making shít up, or is using weird forms of Spanish as a reason to get wound up.

    Suarez was in the wrong.

    Liverpool were in the wrong to defend their player the way they did. i believe any club would've defended their player, but the manner of our full-on, cringeworthy, pro-Suarez instead of anti-racism t-shirt, coupled with public attempt to undermine Evra's character, i believe just because it was Utd, was very small-time.

    it was a PR disaster, and we should've laid low until the facts got out, rather than assuming Suarez would never say something like that. he always could in an atmosphere like that especially.

    so so unfortunate, and Liverpool FC, and it's fans, should just accept that the club was wrong and move on.

    i still don't appreciate those rival fans who choose to call the club and its fans vile, despicable, and every other name under the sun. we believed there was something more to it in Suarez's defence because we support our club. some will continue to do so out of extreme loyalty. there'd be some on rival sides who would do the exact same thing.

    also, our club has just been royally stupid rather than evil. it could take a long time to get any credibility back.

    we should now accept the ban and move on.

    we scored more goals without him in the team against Newcastle than we did in our previous few put together anyway :pac:

    My only contribution to this whole debate is this, as usual you are the classiest of posters and I always respect your opinions. I have read with interest a lot of the tripe posted on this thread and it pains me to see the tribal BS that has gone on, from certain 'Pool and United fans who were always going to have certain slants on their posts to people who just plain embarresed themselves with their zeal and denial that either club could ever be at fault. Christ, at one stage I had to remind myself who the 'alleged' victim in all of this was.

    My only wish is that the incident never happened, things are said in the heat of the moment and its a part of sport whether we like it or not. Suarez crossed the line though, he needed to be punished and punished severly. Using this as an excuse to take cheap pot shots at a great club like Liverpool is just not on, and Kenny is entitled to defend his player. I would expect nothing less from any manager. He might have done it differently but hey, thats his choice and he made it.

    Hopefully this thread is closed soon because I fear its just going to descend into a farce like all threads were a debate about anything in football turns into United versus 'Pool willy waving.


  • #5864
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    I present to you, the best poster on the internet.

    You won't see bias like this anywhere.

    and good to see generalising is alive and well.....




    To ease us into it, lob us all into the one basket. Start as you mean to go on as they say.
    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    are you talking about the evra/suarez incident? if you are, then this video sums up you and your club.

    Injustice - all Liverpool fans feel it supposedly.
    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    exactly, its classless and clueless and seems to have been used to galvinise the liverpool fans into a sense of injustice.


    We love to blame everyone else, for everything it seems.
    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    lol, so its all evras fault yes? i assume your a liverpool fan, cos your post stinks of the normal blame it on somebody else racket that liverpool fans love to do about everything.


    We're all gonna go mad, possibly.
    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    so it terry is cleared, liverpool fans will go mad just for the sake of it, even though he could actually be innocent.

    before this happens, can liverpool fans justify why he should be banned besides just for the sake of it, cos suarez was?


    Next up - persecution complex
    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    exactly. its the persecution complex of most liverpool fans. even if there is no substance in it, they will use it anyway. evra is being accused of things, nothing to do with him. but sure, who cares, just make up a pack of lies and keep going with it. eventually enough mud will stick.


    All of us are horrible reflected.


    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    this whole episode reflects horribly on liverpool fans.



    Back to the blame game. Liverpool fans do it best.
    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    lol.....ive seen it all now.

    jaysus you lot are unreal for blaming it on everything other than your own.


    All out attack, abuse time. We are a twisted bunch - all of us.
    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    f*cking hell. 1000s of liverpool fans reacted to the judgement with "its a sham and i will wait for the report" and all this rubbish.

    now that its out, your come out with you dont care about it. christ, talk about a twisted bunch of people.


  • #5865
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    Blatter wrote: »
    It'll die down once Liverpool say they will not be appealing(very likely IMO).

    Personally, I was more pissed off at Liverpool for the veiled leaks through the media that attacked Evra's credibility as well as the public, open attack on him in their statement.

    Amazing how the only side of the story to actually leak was the one Suarez/Liverpool provided, with the "South American" insult intact, "you're booking me because I'm black", the single instance of "negro" being used by Suarez. The negrito 'term of endearment' was also leaked along with that word Sudaca, despite neither term being relevant to the case at all.

    It doesn't take a genius to work out where all those leaks were coming from, does it?

    The public backing of Suarez with the t-shirts et all was more royal stupidity than anything else, as Slick said.

    Anyway I'm not going to call the club/Dalglish names or have a go at their fans as that achieves nothing for me personally. The club has paid enough of a price with their reputation that will take some time to be repaired. Hopefully all parties can just move on from this soon.


    Will it though, I'm not so sure, people have short memories in football.
    Once the next big story breaks, i think this will be soon forgotten about. I dont think racism is a big problem in UK football, its very well policed.


  • #5866
    Will I Amnt
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 ✭✭✭✭Will I Amnt


    rarnes1 wrote: »
    I present to you, the best poster on the internet.

    You won't see bias like this anywhere.

    and good to see generalising is alive and well.....

    To ease us into it, lob us all into the one basket. Start as you mean to go as they say.
    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    are you talking about the evra/suarez incident? if you are, then this video sums up you and your club.

    Injustice - all Liverpool fans feel it supposedly.
    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    exactly, its classless and clueless and seems to have been used to galvinise the liverpool fans into a sense of injustice.


    We love to blame everyone else, for everything it seems.
    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    lol, so its all evras fault yes? i assume your a liverpool fan, cos your post stinks of the normal blame it on somebody else racket that liverpool fans love to do about everything.


    We're all gonna go mad, possibly.
    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    so it terry is cleared, liverpool fans will go mad just for the sake of it, even though he could actually be innocent.

    before this happens, can liverpool fans justify why he should be banned besides just for the sake of it, cos suarez was?


    Next up - persecution complex
    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    exactly. its the persecution complex of most liverpool fans. even if there is no substance in it, they will use it anyway. evra is being accused of things, nothing to do with him. but sure, who cares, just make up a pack of lies and keep going with it. eventually enough mud will stick.


    All of us are horrible reflected.

    this whole episode reflects horribly on liverpool fans.[/QUOTE]


    Back to the blame game. Liverpool fans do it best.
    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    lol.....ive seen it all now.

    jaysus you lot are unreal for blaming it on everything other than your own.


    All out attack, abuse time. We are a twisted bunch - all of us.
    homerjay2005 wrote: »
    f*cking hell. 1000s of liverpool fans reacted to the judgement with "its a sham and i will wait for the report" and all this rubbish.

    now that its out, your come out with you dont care about it. christ, talk about a twisted bunch of people.
    That's a fairly childish thing to do in all fairness.
    If you don't agree you don't agree.
    No need to compile a ****ing dossier just for a few thanks.


  • #5867
    cherryghost
    Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 17,150 Mod ✭✭✭✭cherryghost


    My wife is from Argentina and the entire soccer community there is laughing at the matter. The word 'negro' is used commonly in South American culture and is often referenced towards homeless people. I know its morally incorrect to say such things but when you've grown up with these things its 'embedded' into your diction.


  • #5868
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    cambo2008 wrote: »

    That's a fairly childish thing to do in all fairness.
    If you don't agree you don't agree.
    No need to compile a ****ing dossier just for a few thanks.

    I agree, brandishing a whole football clubs support into one bracket is totally childish.


  • #5869
    JimsAlterEgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭JimsAlterEgo


    Enderman wrote: »
    My wife is from Argentina and the entire soccer community there is laughing at the matter. The word 'negro' is used commonly in South American culture and is often referenced towards homeless people. I know its morally incorrect to say such things but when you've grown up with these things its 'embedded' into your diction.

    hes not in South America so abides by local rules.


  • #5870
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Enderman wrote: »
    My wife is from Argentina and the entire soccer community there is laughing at the matter. The word 'negro' is used commonly in South American culture and is often referenced towards homeless people. I know its morally incorrect to say such things but when you've grown up with these things its 'embedded' into your diction.
    if only it was used the same way in this instance...


  • #5871
    Blatter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    niallo27 wrote: »
    Will it though, I'm not so sure, people have short memories in football.
    Once the next big story breaks, i think this will be soon forgotten about. I dont think racism is a big problem in UK football, its very well policed.

    Very hard to tell how it will take to get over it and what effect all this could have on sponsors etc. but it's IMO important that they don't put in an appeal. To put it into perspective, pressure was put on Sky to sack Andy Gray and Richard Keyes for making sexist comments, yet Liverpool are unanimously backing someone found guilty of racial abuse, even though the report shows a sound verdict(to 90%+ of people).

    It's so damaging to their reputation to the general public but as I said it's hard to know how long it will take to fully get over it.
    Enderman wrote: »
    My wife is from Argentina and the entire soccer community there is laughing at the matter. The word 'negro' is used commonly in South American culture and is often referenced towards homeless people. I know its morally incorrect to say such things but when you've grown up with these things its 'embedded' into your diction.

    That reaction is to be expected in countries that don't take racism even nearly as seriously as the west do.


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  • #5872
    Dublin_Gunner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    JimsAlterEgo wrote: »
    or maybe we think Liverpools attitude towards this racism row is inexcusable

    Any Liverpool fan's (or pretty much any football fan's) attitude to any 'racism row' I'd be pretty sure is the same - there is no place for it.

    This debate has nothing to do with whether racism is right or wrong, or any argument over racism itself, rather the circumstances in this particular case surrounding the guilty verdict handed out to Suarez.

    I'd be dead certain that if any Liverpool fan thought Suarez was some racist thug, or indeed acts in a racist fashion, wouldn't want him anywhere near the club.

    The main fact that gets most Liverpool fans riled up is the unclear nature of any evidence against Suarez.

    In fact, I'd go as far as saying this entire debate has little to nothing to do with racism, but more to do with a) United fans having a go and B) Liverpool fans wanting definitive evidence.

    Combining points A + B = utter crap fest that this thread has turned into.


  • #5873
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,080 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Oh, well if they call homeless people 'Blacks' then that must be fine then.

    To me that speaks far more negitively about the SA culture towards casual racism than the English (and on here, Irish) reaction to casual racism.


  • #5874
    Mitch Connor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48,080 ✭✭✭✭Mitch Connor


    Dublin_Gunner wrote: »
    Any Liverpool fan's (or pretty much any football fan's) attitude to any 'racism row' I'd be pretty sure is the same - there is no place for it.

    This debate has nothing to do with whether racism is right or wrong, or any argument over racism itself, rather the circumstances in this particular case surrounding the guilty verdict handed out to Suarez.

    I'd be dead certain that if any Liverpool fan though Suarez was some racist thug, or indeed acts in a racist fashion, wouldn't want him anywhere near the club.

    The main fact that gets most Liverpool fans riled up is the unclear nature of any evidence against Suarez.

    In fact, I'd go as far as saying this entire debate has little to nothing to do with racism, but more to do with a) United fans having a go and B) Liverpool fans wanting definitive evidence.

    Combining points A + B = utter crap fest that this thread has turned into.

    You got definitive evidence. SUAREZ ADMITTED TO CALLING EVRA 'NEGRO'.


  • #5875
    Dublin_Gunner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    You got definitive evidence. SUAREZ ADMITTED TO CALLING EVRA 'NEGRO'.


    I'm not goin through this again. You are merely seeing 'negro' and assuming the English meaning of the word.
    Mitch Connor wrote: »
    Oh, well if they call homeless people 'Blacks' then that must be fine then.

    To me that speaks far more negitively about the SA culture towards casual racism than the English (and on here, Irish) reaction to casual racism.

    Effing 'casual racism'?? What the hell is that? You're either being racist or you're not, there is nothing 'casual' about it.


  • #5876
    thegreengoblin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,164 ✭✭✭thegreengoblin


    Liverpool FC have acted in a quite astonishing manner since this case.

    If they want to drag the club's reputation through the mud that's entirely up to them but they really should be on their bended knees giving thanks that Evra hasn't instigated legal proceedings against them for damage to his reputation. I know quite a few Pool fans and many of them are appalled and disgusted by the club's reaction.

    This is becoming Liverpool's Twin Towers/JFK issue and frankly, most people are tired of it at this stage. Let it go people, just let it go.


  • #5877
    JimsAlterEgo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,917 ✭✭✭JimsAlterEgo


    Dublin_Gunner wrote: »
    I'm not goin through this again. You are merely seeing 'negro' and assuming the English meaning of the word.

    In England yes?


  • #5878
    Leiva
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Leiva


    thegreengoblin wrote: »

    This is becoming Liverpool's Twin Towers/JFK issue and frankly, most people are tired of it at this stage. Let it go people, just let it go.

    really think that ?


  • #5879
    niallo27
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,137 ✭✭✭✭niallo27


    thegreengoblin wrote: »
    Liverpool FC have acted in a quite astonishing manner since this case.

    If they want to drag the club's reputation through the mud that's entirely up to them but they really should be on their bended knees giving thanks that Evra hasn't instigated legal proceedings against them for damage to his reputation. I know quite a few Pool fans and many of them are appalled and disgusted by the club's reaction.

    This is becoming Liverpool's Twin Towers/JFK issue and frankly, most people are tired of it at this stage. Let it go people, just let it go.

    This kind of overreacting bull**** wrecks me head, Suarez was a bit of a tit on the field, you would think he was touching kids by some of the reaction on here.


  • #5880
    Dublin_Gunner
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,692 ✭✭✭Dublin_Gunner


    JimsAlterEgo wrote: »
    In England yes?


    Ah yes, if a speaker of a foreign language says something in a foreign language, you have every right to translate it into anything you think it looks like. :rolleyes: Ignorance of the highest order.

    English: pronounced like 'knee-grow' as opposed to the spanish: pronounced like 'negg-ro'.

    One a reference to a specific ethnicity, the other a word meaning black.


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  • #5881
    SantryRed
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭SantryRed


    Dublin_Gunner wrote: »
    Ah yes, if a speaker of a foreign language says something in a foreign language, you have every right to translate it into anything you think it looks like. :rolleyes: Ignorance of the highest order.

    English: pronounced like 'knee-grow' as opposed to the spanish: pronounced like 'negg-ro'.

    One a reference to a specific ethnicity, the other a word meaning black.

    FFS. The way some people on both sides are knitpicking things is ridiculous. Have you fully read the report? A few days ago there was a few of us who managed to have a decent debate but now it's absolute sh1te again. Blatter, fair play for sticking at it because I'm gone.


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