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Life on the dole

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,814 ✭✭✭harry Bailey esq


    life is sweet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,724 ✭✭✭The Scientician


    Well I may soon find out, I just lost my job. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭Ainekav


    Well I may soon find out, I just lost my job. :(

    Sorry to hear that Scientician...

    I was on the dole for 3 months during the summer. I've a fine art degree and a postgrad in community education. I managed to get paid work one day a week which I (somewhat foolishly) declared and asked to go onto part time dole.

    So when I moved in with my boyfriend in September I was rejected by SW because of the one day of work but moreso because apparently he earns enough to support both himself and me. Even though we are both entirely independent of each other and he barely supports himself with next-to-no luxuries like clothes, holidays etc.

    So as long as I'm living with him, the dole is not an option for me. I have a Christmas job now, It's gone the first of Jan - they don't pay us til mid jan, so I'm borrowing my rent off my Dad. I have a one day a week job in a CE Drug program (that's in serious danger of closure due to the cuts) so in Jan that'll be my only income and god knows where Februarys (and March) rent is gonna come from at this stage. I have been looking for jobs since the Summer, also applying for funding and projects etc (I'm an artist) and rejection and let-downs at every turn.

    the bulk paycheck from the Xmas job will repay my overdraft and my Dad, so that'll all be gone in one fell swoop. Until I get something permanent emigration isn't an option. nor is saving. It's v disheartening and all I want to do is go, but sure what can ya do? Struggle on, like everyone else.

    I'm glad I was rejected from SW - I despised dealing with them, and on one occasion I was forced to go to the HSE to ask for money because of dole delays, and I was treated like the lowest of the low. I had to go to a meeting with some person that was assigned to me, as i was put on the National Employment Action Plan (?!) and when I told her I had one normal Cv and one Artists CV she laughed in my face and thought this was ludicrous... Fool! I am extremely lucky that my parents will help me out if I am in dire straits, but all I want is to be able to afford the normal stuff without the struggle, and the fear when the bills come in. I hate the worry of rent from one month to the next, it's so consuming and draining. I have a lot to offer in jobs and I try to remind myself of that even when the rejections are flooding in, or more often, the non-replies. There's a small chance that the Xmas job might keep some of us on - but I can't rely on that and I won't know for a good while.

    I adore the CE scheme job, and when I'm not working full-time (as I am this month)I am kept really busy with lots of art-based projects, and I feel v fortunate to have that outlet. Hopefully Jan 2012 will provide some opportunities - a permanent job in Dunnes or the likes would just be brilliant so I could get saving and keep looking for career jobs.

    Ps. I know this is a dole thread - but I was on it for a time, and It's the same when you are doing odd jobs and living from one 50 euro paycheck to the next one in 10 days time!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 295 ✭✭retroactive


    So we have to people: person a. on part time social- that wont take anymore hours in work for fear of losing their precious handouts

    and person b. on full dole and other benefits accuring. The ''dole'' does start and stop with 200€ a week. It's full of wonderful perks such as rent allowance, children's allowance, Back To Education, Dental, Optical and Hearing Benefits, Free Travel, Fuel Allowance, Supplementary Welfare Allowance etc etc

    So, to those who wont take the hours in work: Thank you, as a student, I love the extra christmas hours. They're needed given the latest budget.

    To those who are siphoning off Irish funds on a full time basis: you are the reason I am emigrating. "They 're nah jobs joe" - http://www.jobs.ie/ Well actually there is. Also, (and I cant find the link) there is a recent IBEC report that says benefits have compounded to such an extent that it would take a salary of more that 35k to entice.. entice.. someone from the ''dole'' into the work force. (taking into account accuruing benefits)

    You made wrong decisions. There is no reset. You are at home living on tax paid by people better than you. People who do not want to support you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    To those who are siphoning off Irish funds on a full time basis: you are the reason I am emigrating. "They 're nah jobs joe" - http://www.jobs.ie/ Well actually there is.

    So you're leaving because there are jobs in the country? :confused: Well, that's new...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭deisedave


    I have spent my time studying holdem theory, I always loved poker but now I make a good side income :)

    I have also applied for any job going and for college next year


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 295 ✭✭retroactive


    Millicent wrote: »
    So you're leaving because there are jobs in the country? :confused: Well, that's new...

    While jobs do exist in this country, I'm training to work in a sector where positions don't (or where openings exist, are very competitive). Rather than put my hand out, I will emigrate - seek employment elsewhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,559 ✭✭✭Millicent


    But what does this post:
    While jobs do exist in this country, I'm training to work in a sector where positions don't (or where openings exist, are very competitive). Rather than put my hand out, I will emigrate - seek employment elsewhere.

    have to do with this post? :
    So we have to people: person a. on part time social- that wont take anymore hours in work for fear of losing their precious handouts

    and person b. on full dole and other benefits accuring. The ''dole'' does start and stop with 200€ a week. It's full of wonderful perks such as rent allowance, children's allowance, Back To Education, Dental, Optical and Hearing Benefits, Free Travel, Fuel Allowance, Supplementary Welfare Allowance etc etc

    So, to those who wont take the hours in work: Thank you, as a student, I love the extra christmas hours. They're needed given the latest budget.

    To those who are siphoning off Irish funds on a full time basis: you are the reason I am emigrating. "They 're nah jobs joe" - http://www.jobs.ie/ Well actually there is. Also, (and I cant find the link) there is a recent IBEC report that says benefits have compounded to such an extent that it would take a salary of more that 35k to entice.. entice.. someone from the ''dole'' into the work force. (taking into account accuruing benefits)

    You made wrong decisions. There is no reset. You are at home living on tax paid by people better than you. People who do not want to support you.

    What's with all the condescending bullshit too? Want condescension? Then here you go:

    Wait until you're a few years into a job that you trained for in college and have a bit more life experience under your belt and then imagine, because someone mismanaged a company or because the economy's in the toilet, *poof*, there goes that job you worked so hard for. And then someone "better than you", "who do not want to support you" will be funding the PRSI that keeps the social welfare going that you require to stay alive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 295 ✭✭retroactive


    First off; They bot come from they both come from the same poster.

    Second:; while the future is a wonderful argument, I was talking about now. Although if you're employing the ''future'' argument (I like to call it ''the bury your head in the sand and keep your hands free for hand-outs argument.) I'm sure someone more qualitfied than me will appear- then they will emigrate- although that may take, what, 7 seven years? after which the euro qerfuffle will have died down and of course the educated will have emigrated as Ireland becomes a land of plasters and carpeters.

    Simple we have a legal and finance sector dying. A sector that is second only in the hatred competition against the politicians. Fine, kiddo, take the welfare, **** the economy - just have the decency to realise that you are part of the problem and are not the soution

    You made wrong decisions. There is no reset. You are at home living on tax paid by people better than you. People who do not want to support you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    It sucks.

    I've worked since I was 16 years old, never gone more than 2-3 months without some form of employment. I lost my last job about 2 years ago, and was completely unable to find work in my area, so was basically forced to move back into my family home after my relationship with my fiancé broke down.

    I'm currently out of work, and planning on going to University next year to do the Computing course, and possibly move from there into teaching.
    Unfortunately, in order to get Back to Education, I need to be unemployed for a year or some nonsense, now I sit around twiddling my thumbs for stupid amounts of hours per day.

    I have to save up quite a bit of money to get a cheap flight to the U.K. to see my partner.

    No, the dole is not the easy life. Please don't assume that because there are some scroungers that we all are all like that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 295 ✭✭retroactive


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    It sucks.

    I've worked since I was 16 years old, never gone more than 2-3 months without some form of employment. I lost my last job about 2 years ago, and was completely unable to find work in my area, so was basically forced to move back into my family home after my relationship with my fiancé broke down.

    I'm currently out of work, and planning on going to University next year to do the Computing course, and possibly move from there into teaching.
    Unfortunately, in order to get Back to Education, I need to be unemployed for a year or some nonsense, now I sit around twiddling my thumbs for stupid amounts of hours per day.

    I have to save up quite a bit of money to get a cheap flight to the U.K. to see my partner.

    No, the dole is not the easy life. Please don't assume that because there are some scroungers that we all are all like that.

    Would it have been easier if you went from the leaving cert to further education? You lost your job 2 years ago. 2 years. I can image - that was hard. How hard was it was your fiancé to find someone else? how do you feel as a person? how do you think he would feel in comparison to your previous partners?

    I to want to do a computer course.. preferably in a shopping trolley (it's extra) and then emigrate and safe my family.

    Family?.. now that's sad well it's only "save up quite a bit of money to get a cheap flight to the U.K. to see my partner." ... i'm so glad i'm funding your lifestyle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 692 ✭✭✭CyberJuice


    Would it have been easier if you went from the leaving cert to further education? You lost your job 2 years ago. 2 years. I can image - that was hard. How hard was it was your fiancé to find someone else? how do you feel as a person? how do you think he would feel in comparison to your previous partners?

    I to want to do a computer course.. preferably in a shopping trolley (it's extra) and then emigrate and safe my family.

    Family?.. now that's sad well it's only "save up quite a bit of money to get a cheap flight to the U.K. to see my partner." ... i'm so glad i'm funding your lifestyle.


    for someone who claims to be so much better than the rest of us your grasp on english grammar sure is pretty poor.

    your only an arsehole


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 295 ✭✭retroactive


    *you're


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,417 ✭✭✭ToddyDoody


    11 months straight in 2008/2009. Read a lot. Pointless and a waste of time. Do the internships these days, went back to college to get off the dole back then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭Ainekav


    Would it have been easier if you went from the leaving cert to further education? You lost your job 2 years ago. 2 years. I can image - that was hard. How hard was it was your fiancé to find someone else? how do you feel as a person? how do you think he would feel in comparison to your previous partners?

    I to want to do a computer course.. preferably in a shopping trolley (it's extra) and then emigrate and safe my family.

    Family?.. now that's sad well it's only "save up quite a bit of money to get a cheap flight to the U.K. to see my partner." ... i'm so glad i'm funding your lifestyle.


    I hope to God you're a troll because otherwise you are an absolute bollokcs.

    How dare you judge someone who can't get a job for saving up their SW to go see their fiance?? Funding her lifestyle? What lifestyle???? A fcuking flight to the UK to see someone they will marry?

    The sooner you emigrate the better - however badly off we are, we're better off WITHOUT YOU

    Off you go to Australia and complain about how there's no jobs, while lambasting others on here, saying there ARE jobs. Hypocrite of the highest order. And spelling and grammar is crap aswell for someone apparently so well-educated.

    FOOL


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 342 ✭✭Ainekav


    So we have to people: person a. on part time social- that wont take anymore hours in work for fear of losing their precious handouts


    Where are you pulling this sh1t from??

    Seriously?????

    did you even read mine and others posts?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    i'm so glad i'm funding your lifestyle.

    You're not.

    So don't worry about it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 579 ✭✭✭Gareth2011


    Ainekav wrote: »
    I hope to God you're a troll because otherwise you are an absolute bollokcs.

    How dare you judge someone who can't get a job for saving up their SW to go see their fiance?? Funding her lifestyle? What lifestyle???? A fcuking flight to the UK to see someone they will marry?

    The sooner you emigrate the better - however badly off we are, we're better off WITHOUT YOU

    Off you go to Australia and complain about how there's no jobs, while lambasting others on here, saying there ARE jobs. Hypocrite of the highest order. And spelling and grammar is crap aswell for someone apparently so well-educated.

    FOOL

    As BA says "I pity the fool" :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,853 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    Ainekav wrote: »
    Where are you pulling this sh1t from??

    Seriously?????

    did you even read mine and others posts?

    Actually that part is true and more widespread than you would think.
    I know lots of single parents that work part time in major retailers ensuring that they only do a set amount of hours per week.

    Full entitlements unaffected.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 579 ✭✭✭Gareth2011


    There is someone that works with the wife that is doing that too but she will only work the weekends because Sunday isn't counted at the mo so she only gets one day taken from her. Same thing if she was work 4 days out of 6 she said it wouldn't be worth working and loosing her entitlements.

    She be fairly fecked when they bring in the 7 days instead of 6 and you can only claim for 5 days working.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 879 ✭✭✭mossyc123


    i'm so glad i'm funding your lifestyle.

    Just out of college paying a pissy little amount of PRSI...

    You're funding FCUK ALL mate!!! ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 587 ✭✭✭fat__tony


    padd b1975 wrote: »
    Says the guy still posting on a largely Irish internet forum.

    Just can't cut yourself off totally??

    This is the internet which is worldwide I thought. The forums servers are actually based in the US so your argument is nonsense.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,853 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    fat__tony wrote: »
    This is the internet which is worldwide I thought. The forums servers are actually based in the US so your argument is nonsense.
    They are always in the last place you look.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    mossyc123 wrote: »
    Just out of college paying a pissy little amount of PRSI...

    You're funding FCUK ALL mate!!! ;)

    And not a thought for the people who funded his education.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 579 ✭✭✭Gareth2011


    And not a thought for the people who funded his education.

    Im planning on going to college next year if I can can and please god the state will be paying my tutition fee's and BTEA. But il be 31 years of age and I have paid my way in this country since I was 18. except now im on social :(. But I wouldnt have any objection to paying back the state when I had a job for the cost of my education. Thats how it should be done. Then the state gets it's money back and the person gets their education.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 246 ✭✭KIERAN1


    Its crappy, and really boring socially been on the dole. I can not move out of my family home either cant afford the rent. I wish i could just get a job and fend for myself! I've been unemployed for 2 year plus, and its not because i haven't tried. I've sent out countless CV's to industries here were i am living. But never seem to get an interview call (have received letters though confirming they've got my CV and that they'll will keep it in on file? I am wondering now though is it because of my age (34) that i don't get interviews calls, like i once did before this recession kicked in? Or is just there is no job matching my skilled set, and employers, are being truthful and genuine with their responses back to me?

    I'm not overly educated, but do have a leaving cert and have done one college courses to get ahead in the past. I also have lot of experience in factory floor work, years, but for whatever reason can't even get in the front door anymore for an interview. Really Demoralising, like i am hard working, good with people, and brilliant with time keeping, so there's no real reason why i should be getting dole!!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 991 ✭✭✭Digitalism


    Ainekav wrote: »
    Off you go to Australia and complain about how there's no jobs, while lambasting others on here, saying there ARE jobs. Hypocrite of the highest order. And spelling and grammar is crap aswell for someone apparently so well-educated.

    FOOL
    To be fair, theres plenty of jobs in Australia, compared to here anyway. The jobs wont come to you though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 579 ✭✭✭Gareth2011


    KIERAN1 wrote: »
    Its crappy, and really boring socially been on the dole. I can not move out of my family home either cant afford the rent. I wish i could just get a job and fend for myself! I've been unemployed for 2 year plus, and its not because i haven't tried. I've sent out countless CV's to industries here were i am living. But never seem to get an interview call (have received letters though confirming they've got my CV and that they'll will keep it in on file? I am wondering now though is it because of my age (34) that i don't get interviews calls, like i once did before this recession kicked in? Or is just there is no job matching my skilled set, and employers, are being truthful and genuine with their responses back to me?

    I'm not overly educated, but do have a leaving cert and have done one college courses to get ahead in the past. I also have lot of experience in factory floor work, years, but for whatever reason can't even get in the front door anymore for an interview. Really Demoralising, like i am hard working, good with people, and brilliant with time keeping, so there's no real reason why i should be getting dole!!

    You are like me Kieran, I have 10 years experience in manufacturing (microelectronics, hp, phone cable suppliers, pharmacuetical) and It doesnt matter how many CV'S you send off to these people there is always someone better and will work for less (even though they dont know what you will work for) you know who im talking about. If you have the college side of it there is no reason why you shouldnt be applying jobs overseas. Best thing you can do is leave this country. First chance myself and the wife get were gone. No point staying somewhere is isn't going to get better for a lonnnnnnnnnnnnggggg time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 246 ✭✭KIERAN1


    Gareth2011 wrote: »
    You are like me Kieran, I have 10 years experience in manufacturing (microelectronics, hp, phone cable suppliers, pharmacuetical) and It doesnt matter how many CV'S you send off to these people there is always someone better and will work for less (even though they dont know what you will work for) you know who im talking about. If you have the college side of it there is no reason why you shouldnt be applying jobs overseas. Best thing you can do is leave this country. First chance myself and the wife get were gone. No point staying somewhere is isn't going to get better for a lonnnnnnnnnnnnggggg time.

    Hi Gareth. I will not be anymore today after this, to respond back to you.

    I just hope employers are not been wasteful as to who they've picked for their jobs? At 34 i am still young, and still am able to learn new skills to enable me to do the job. I have know fear of new opportunities, to be honest! I've got real experience, so that should in reality be counted as a bonus? I can however understand employers frustration though Gareth, employers receive countless CV's for Jobs everyday, and they know next to nothing about the candidate, then what's written on their CV... In saying all that however, employers can by know fault of their own, have discriminated, against the better people, who'd be more suitable for the Job offered, and their industry.

    Personality, commonsense, and honesty are no were to be found on a CV application, these things are extremely important and often employers will hire people, who lack one, if not all three of these characteristics!

    I can't emigrate, as this time, as i have a young daughter. We are pretty close. She lives with her mother though as we are no longer together. I will check out my options next year. I will try look for work then, and maybe consider university in Limerick were i live, but at my age would i be employable still, even with a degree to my name?

    Hopefully Gareth you'll get something nothing worse then having to uproot your family and head off. Having 10 years of experience you should be hirable. Its sad the way the country is gone downhill for some of us!!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 579 ✭✭✭Gareth2011


    Well if you are still on the Social come middle of next year and you haven't found employment UL might be your best best. You should qualify for the Back to Education allowance then as you only need to been on the social for 9 months if you're doing a Undergraduate third level course. Next year im hoping to study to be a "wind energy technician" so working on wind turbines, maintenance mainly and with that course and experience its a job that they are screaming out for people to take up world wide. Maybe it would be an idea for you do look at something that deals with energy? Im saying this because thats where the work will be in years to come and with more and more countries going green it could open up a whole world so to speak :)


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