Petition to privatise Thatcher's funeral

Chuck Stone · 22-12-2011 06:04PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

oh yes, the hand of god.

I was particularly embarrassed by the mass protests, the march to the FA headquarters and, most of all, the embarrassing way the FA pleaded with FIFA to allow England to continue in the world cup despite losing. I believe they even suggested to FIFA that they make the semi finals a five team affair.:eek:

cringeworthy

What now?

Eric Cartman · 22-12-2011 06:05PM

In all fairness To do with wars, the irish and other shìt she was a cnut, but in economics she was spot on

Fratton Fred · 22-12-2011 06:34PM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

What now?

Sorry, I'm getting my hands of god mixed up.

Fear Uladh · 22-12-2011 09:04PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

In all fairness To do with wars, the irish and other shìt she was a cnut, but in economics she was spot on

The only economically sound thing she done was give less powers to unions.

After that she basically destroyed a lot of industrys and left thousands in poverty.

44leto · 22-12-2011 09:12PM

Fear Uladh wrote: »

The only economically sound thing she done was give less powers to unions.

After that she basically destroyed a lot of industrys and left thousands in poverty.

She destroyed nothing she stopped the subsidies, which Britain at that time could no longer afford.

We have state subsidised industry and I could post the links to at least 20 threads moaning about them.

Fear Uladh · 22-12-2011 09:17PM

44leto wrote: »

She destroyed nothing she stopped the subsidies, which Britain at that time could no longer afford.

We have state subsidised industry and I could post the links to at least 20 threads moaning about them.

Also we have an economy that makes the rich richer and the poor poorer.

Not much different to be honest.

44leto · 22-12-2011 09:25PM

Fear Uladh wrote: »

Also we have an economy that makes the rich richer and the poor poorer.

Not much different to be honest.

That has being a lingering effect of thatcherism/reagonomic it did widen the wealth divide which does have bad effects on society. IMO that was a contributing factor in the English riots last year and an increase in anti social behaviour here (Yeah my obsession, the scumbags).

But was there a choice, maybe an increasing wealth division is an effect of increased competition from the increasing free trade and globalisation. I don't know but I think there is something in that.

Thatcher may have being responding to changing trade conditions, "Making Britain Competative"

Ellis Dee · 22-12-2011 09:29PM

When the news reports that the auld bag is in hospital and on her last gasp, would it be bad taste to phone in to a hospital requests programme and ask them to play this tune for her?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdoBRCt4zrE

Capt'n Midnight · 22-12-2011 10:22PM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

In all fairness To do with wars, the irish and other shìt she was a cnut, but in economics she was spot on

If you mean squandering North Sea Oil revenue resulting in massive inflation that effectively wiped out manufacturing industry in the UK probably not, if you mean increasing the value of assets held by her family and cronies then yes.

An independent Scotland back then could have been Norway.

Nodin · 22-12-2011 10:24PM

44leto wrote: »

She destroyed nothing she stopped the subsidies, which Britain at that time could no longer afford.

We have state subsidised industry and I could post the links to at least 20 threads moaning about them.

....France and Germany had the same problem, so they did phased closures to minimise the hardship.

Capt'n Midnight · 22-12-2011 10:26PM

later10 wrote: »

The suggestion that Thatcher would not get half as much abuse were she a man is a groundless one, because she has no male equivalent in modern times.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indira_Gandhi

She was also the only Indian Prime Minister to have declared a state of emergency in order to 'rule by decree' and the only Indian Prime Minister to have been imprisoned after holding that office.
...
On 31 October 1984, two of Gandhi's Sikh bodyguards, Satwant Singh and Beant Singh, shot her with their service weapons in the garden of the Prime Minister's residence at 1 Safdarjung Road, New Delhi as she was walking past a wicket gate guarded by Satwant and Beant. She was to be interviewed by the British actor Peter Ustinov, who was filming a documentary for Irish television.

And there was the whole Tamil thing backfiring too.

44leto · 22-12-2011 10:28PM

Nodin wrote: »

....France and Germany had the same problem, so they did phased closures to minimise the hardship.

No they had not, France and Germany at that time still had a competitive manufacturing base, Britain did not. There was no replacement industry in Britain, Britain invested in the services industry which did well, but in the south only.

ItsAWindUp · 22-12-2011 10:29PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

oh yes, the hand of god.

I was particularly embarrassed by the mass protests, the march to the FA headquarters and, most of all, the embarrassing way the FA pleaded with FIFA to allow England to continue in the world cup despite losing. I believe they even suggested to FIFA that they make the semi finals a five team affair.:eek:

cringeworthy

Why do you post here?

ItsAWindUp · 22-12-2011 10:30PM

I believe that Thatcher has managed to ensure that there will never again be a female British Prime Minister, or at least not for years to come anyway.

Capt'n Midnight · 22-12-2011 10:40PM

Batsy wrote: »

So Thatcher can also be praised for helping to bring democracy to Argentina.

Democracy ended just 8 years previously with the full backing of the UK's partner the USofA
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB133/index.htm

The whole BAe arms sales to Indonesia thing

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/feb/28/iraq.politics1 Saddam

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/oct/28/bae.whitehall Saudai

http://www.caat.org.uk/resources/publications/countries/zimbabwe-0900.php Mugabe

the list is very long

44leto · 22-12-2011 10:40PM

Britain could do with a dose of thatcher or strong leadership now, their triple AAA status is in doubt and all the bad economic indicators are shooting up. They may go into a double dip recession next year.

Remember when Thatcher took over Labour had been negotiating with the IMF. She did save them from that and the IMF would have imposed a lot of the policies she adopted.

It also has to be said about Thatcher, she was a good politician but incredibly lucky. Things and events just went her way. There is no-way in normal circumstances she should have got 2 and half terms.

R P McMurphy · 22-12-2011 10:47PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Batsy wrote: »

So Thatcher can also be praised for helping to bring democracy to Argentina.

Democracy ended just 8 years previously with the full backing of the UK's partner the USofA
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/NSAEBB/NSAEBB133/index.htm

The whole BAe arms sales to Indonesia thing

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/feb/28/iraq.politics1 Saddam

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/oct/28/bae.whitehall Saudai

http://www.caat.org.uk/resources/publications/countries/zimbabwe-0900.php Mugabe

the list is very long

Could add onto that list her support for Pol pot and BA training of kmher rouge after they had been ousted in cambodia

dilbert2 · 22-12-2011 10:47PM

44leto wrote: »

Britain could do with a dose of thatcher or strong leadership now

Yeah, all of the old Northern mining/ industrial communities, along with Scotland and Wales are crying out for a good dose of Thatcherism.

Nodin · 22-12-2011 10:47PM

44leto wrote: »

No they had not, France and Germany at that time still had a competitive manufacturing base, Britain did not. There was no replacement industry in Britain, Britain invested in the services industry which did well, but in the south only.

....and they couldn't have tried a phased closure in the North and Wales.....? Or was the whole "looking after the citizens" thing a bit too 20th century for them.

qwerty93 · 22-12-2011 11:30PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lhox-PgwwY&feature=player_detailpage

Feisar · 23-12-2011 12:19AM

bwatson wrote: »

Native Irish forces of resistance who had their own shoot to kill policies? Not to mention their detonate to kill, hack to kill, and beat to kill policies?

I'm from the North. I'm as native to this island as you are. I am not one to fly off the handle if called Irish or an Irishman, however I choose to identify as British and want to see my homeland under British rule. Why do your forces for liberation deserve any different treatment to the treatment they were dishing out?

Totally agree with this. I seen the IRA's campaign as a legitimate war for complete independence but crying over a British shoot to kill policy is farcical.

Richard · 23-12-2011 09:44AM

InTheTrees wrote: »

You can be entitled to a UK passport if your parents were alive before independance. I believe thats the rule.

Not quite. If they were born before 1948, they can g
be British Subjects. British Subject status can't be passes on to children, unlike British Citizens (basically those from the UK etc) who do pass it on

So it is possible to qualify for a brit passport while being a citizen of the ROI.

That is true. There are many people in NI who have both passports.

I'm not sure whether it means you then become a british citizen once you obtain the passport though? Presumably yes?

I think you need evidence of British citizenship before you can get a passport.

It isn't always easy, however. The DUP speaker of the NI assembly was born in Donegal and is an Irish Citizen. He recently complained how difficult it is to become a British Citizen, despite having lived in NI for many years. The "naturalisation" process costs several hundred pounds.

Martin McGuinness recently spoke out in favour of making it easier for people from the republic to become British Citizens.

Richard · 23-12-2011 09:49AM

later10 wrote: »

That depends.

Are the Cornish not full British citizens either?

That's irrelevant. It's not about the citizenship status they had then - it's about being defended against invaders.

Chuck Stone · 23-12-2011 05:08PM

I'm going to get plastered and play this on loop the day she kicks the bucket.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHJoj9IqeKg

later12 · 24-12-2011 12:56AM

Richard wrote: »

That's irrelevant. It's not about the citizenship status they had then - it's about being defended against invaders.

Well you originally set up a proposition based on nationality - why else did you mention the good people of Cornwall?

Hal1 · 24-12-2011 02:08AM

HAHA looky here I found this to see if she died or accended / morphed into something.
http://www.isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk/

Fromthetrees · 24-12-2011 02:20AM

It's planned that she will be buried in a man made lake, well it will be once we stop pissing on her grave.

Jimmy Carr

bwatson · 24-12-2011 02:49AM

Wattle wrote: »

Viva las Malvinas.

Y viva el Norte de Irlanda, si?

Is there any consistency to your politics, or are you just another person who won't even attempt to look at a situation in any other way than "de Brits" being the aggressors? I'm a staunch unionist but even I will admit my country has got some things wrong in the past.

Your blind support of Argentine expansionism as a result of nothing more than yet another surge of nationalism really does single you out as a borderline idiot.

K-9 · 24-12-2011 02:50AM

Its a bit like FF in this country, their voters seem to have just disappeared, a reverse to the amount of people who were in the GPO in 1916! You wont find too many openly admitting to have voted Maggie, though winning 3 elections in a row obviously refutes that! (Btw I did vote FF previously!)

I'd say part of it was the weakness of the opposition, bit like here. Labour and FG were too busy in fighting to offer a strong opposition.

Britain is living with the legacy of 3 straight Governments of Maggie. There was nothing wrong with breaking the power of the unions that basically killed the British motor industry, there is something wrong with a society that unions are basically powerless and a Government that is too afraid of upsetting big business, the London finance district in particular.

You just swap one stranglehold for another!

bwatson · 24-12-2011 02:59AM

Seanchai wrote: »

She should be dragged in front of a war crimes tribunal for many things, such as authorising a shoot-to-kill policy against the native Irish forces of resistance in the occupied Six Counties .

Did it come as a bit of a shock to you that the blokes who your "boys" started shooting at, decided to fire back? How very unfair!

It makes me sick when republicans try to make something out of this, as has been done a few times in this very thread. Have you no memory, or no dignity at all? Probably best not to answer actually.

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