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Ordinary man · 22-12-2011 08:27PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

What phrase people?

I thought we still didn't know what was said?

Mr Alan wrote: »

If it is a case that the issue revolves around the use of the word negrito, and that's not a term of racial abuse, then I don't really see why Suarez was stupid.

If Gerrard & Terry squared up to eachother next weekend & Gerrard said, "get out of my face pal", would you think he was stupid? Is it not the same thing?

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In my opinion, if this is what this whole ordeal has stemmed from, then the the case will be dismissed (obviously).

As it appears it may have been something of a misunderstanding I'd be happy enough for Evra to escape sanction & instead just have to apologise for so publically calling him a racist.

You have used that as a defence of suarez for the last 5 weeks and now you want to change your tune

Mr Alan · 22-12-2011 08:28PM

Technique wrote: »

If someone in the crowd at Anfield had made that remark to Evra, he'd be banned from the ground.

What comment?

eagle eye · 22-12-2011 08:29PM

Le King wrote: »

But but but he's been found guilty. This campaign is just making it worse for Suarez. There is no clearing his name at this stage.

Everybody will still look at him as a racist.

Yeah every uneducated fool will look at him like that. Sadly that makes up a very large percentage of those that follow soccer.

Mr Alan · 22-12-2011 08:29PM

Ordinary man wrote: »

You have used that as a defence of suarez for the last 5 weeks and now you want to change your tune

Check how many times I say the word 'if' in that post.

I've been quite vocal about the fact we don't know what was said, therefore people talking in certainties about the word used are wrong to do so IMO.

Samich · 22-12-2011 08:31PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Check how many times I say the word 'if' in that post.

I've been quite vocal about the fact we don't know what was said, therefore people talking in certainties about the word used are wrong to do so IMO.

Didn't they say on MOTD last night they presumed they didn't say what was said as Suarez admitted which word was used.

Mr Alan · 22-12-2011 08:33PM

No idea what they said on MOTD, but sure they don't know either

Revolution9 · 22-12-2011 08:34PM

Samich wrote: »

Didn't they say on MOTD last night they presumed they didn't say what was said as Suarez admitted which word was used.

Suarez admitted to using a word that Evra's Man Utd team mates use to describe him. He never clarified what that word was.

daithijjj · 22-12-2011 08:34PM

Blatter wrote: »

When he said that Atkinson was from an old school back round, he wasn't defending the racial slur, he was just adding it in more like a mitigating factor.

He still clearly condemned the comment and doesn't believe Glen Johnson is doing likewise by wearing t-shirts with Suarez's picture on it.

I fail to see it as a case of double standards.

What Atkinson said is far more inflammatory than what we think Suarez said. Thats not the point however. He used an angle to defend Atkinson that he did not use in his comments on Suarez, that's it, end of.

Am i allowed to call McGrath his nickname anymore?, the black pearl?, is it acceptable?, can i say it in spanish?, Paul Mc Grath, the black pearl, Paul McGrath, la perla negro.

McGrath used mitigating circumstances in defence of a friend who used a term far more offensive. Anyway, im done here in this neverending thread until the FA release 'written reasons', quite a while it seems.

Technique · 22-12-2011 08:35PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

What comment?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...Liverpool.html

"He argued that the word “negro” – which Suarez admitted using once – "

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...e-Britain.html

Sportsmail understands Suarez told the commission, which also included former Sunderland manager Denis Smith and Sheffield and Hallamshire FA chairman Brian Jones, that he addressed Evra using the word ‘negrito’.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...#ixzz1hAaayArs

Sportsmail understands Suarez told the commission, which also included former Sunderland manager Denis Smith and Sheffield and Hallamshire FA chairman Brian Jones, that he addressed Evra using the word ‘negrito’.

Ordinary man · 22-12-2011 08:35PM

eagle eye wrote: »

Yeah every uneducated fool will look at him like that. Sadly that makes up a very large percentage of those that follow soccer.

Uneducated fools? Aren't you the man who said darky isn't a racist term?

th3 s1aught3r · 22-12-2011 08:36PM

Revolution9 wrote: »

Suarez admitted to using a word that Evra's Man Utd team mates use to describe him. He never clarified what that word was.

So why arent his team mates up on the same charge

Revolution9 · 22-12-2011 08:36PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

No idea what they said on MOTD, but sure they don't know either

I think Alan Hansen used the word "coloured" and some people were upset by that. Not sure though.

Doubtless Paul McGrath will be on talksport defending the old school Hansen tomorrow morning though, while condemning Suarez all the while.

Mr Alan · 22-12-2011 08:38PM

Technique wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...Liverpool.html

"He argued that the word “negro” – which Suarez admitted using once – "

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...e-Britain.html

Sportsmail understands Suarez told the commission, which also included former Sunderland manager Denis Smith and Sheffield and Hallamshire FA chairman Brian Jones, that he addressed Evra using the word ‘negrito’.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...#ixzz1hAaayArs

Sportsmail understands Suarez told the commission, which also included former Sunderland manager Denis Smith and Sheffield and Hallamshire FA chairman Brian Jones, that he addressed Evra using the word ‘negrito’.

The fact the articles you've posted contradict eachother in relation to what was said kind of proves the point I'm making.

Will I Amnt · 22-12-2011 08:40PM

I think the majority of people on here and in the real world accept it was either negro or a derivative of negro at this stage.

Revolution9 · 22-12-2011 08:40PM

th3 s1aught3r wrote: »

So why arent his team mates up on the same charge

I would think the context his mates would use such a phrase to him would be clear to Evra, while he felt Suarez used it to insult him.

Blatter · 22-12-2011 08:44PM

Alan, no point in being obtuse about it.

Suarez said a racially sensitive word, The FA wouldn't have charged him and found him guilty if he hadn't.

Revolution9 · 22-12-2011 08:49PM

Blatter wrote: »

The FA wouldn't have charged him and found him guilty if he hadn't.

One thing that bemuses me about this, is a lot of Man United fans (not you in particular, just generally) have developed a sudden and strong faith in the FA after years of carrying a persecution complex regarding Ferguson getting fined and punished when other managers don't, their handling of Ferdinand missing his drug test and the Rooney situation last year, etc.

Mr Alan · 22-12-2011 08:50PM

So you think the FA always make the correct decision Blatter?

Pro. F · 22-12-2011 08:57PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

What phrase people?

I thought we still didn't know what was said?

Come off it Al!

Obviously everybody is working under the assumption that Suarez said something that has a at least a possible racial aspect. His own statement about it combined with the FA's verdict and statement makes that a reasonable assumption to be going along with. If it eventually turns out that the FA have convicted him of making a reference to race when in fact he didn't use any term that could make that reference then there will be a shìt storm, obviously. But that is extremely unlikely.

What you are doing here is being a pedant because not everybody is saying ''allegedly'' and ''if'' in every post. It is another deflection from you to go along with your previous nonsense and hypocrisy. You're letting yourself down badly in this thread.

Technique · 22-12-2011 08:58PM

cambo2008 wrote: »

I think the majority of people on here and in the real world accept it was either negro or a derivative of negro at this stage.

I'm sure the many experts on the intricacies of Uruguayan culture will assure you that it's a term reserved for your closest friends. Or the many Liverpool fans who suddenly have Uruguayan wives or girlfriends will assure you that they whisper 'negrito' to them all the time in their most intrimate moments together.

Blatter · 22-12-2011 09:02PM

Revolution9 wrote: »

One thing that bemuses me about this, is a lot of Man United fans (not you in particular, just generally) have developed a sudden and strong faith in the FA after years of carrying a persecution complex regarding Ferguson getting fined and punished when other managers don't, their handling of Ferdinand missing his drug test and the Rooney situation last year, etc.

Mr Alan wrote: »

So you think the FA always make the correct decision Blatter?

Of course The FA don't always make the correct decisions.

However, I feel charging Suarez with racism and finding him guilty without substantial evidence is beyond even them.

At the very least, I'd have to believe that The FA know what word Suarez is supposed to have said in order to bring about the charges and guilty verdict. It just wouldn't be credible otherwise, and I'm sure the report will confirm that I'm correct with that assertion.

Whether they made the correct decision with that information is another matter(although from joining dots together from reliable sources, I believe they probably did).

I have said already that I'll wait for the report to come out to make a definitive judgement on the whole saga then.

Ordinary man · 22-12-2011 09:02PM

Revolution9 wrote: »

One thing that bemuses me about this, is a lot of Man United fans (not you in particular, just generally) have developed a sudden and strong faith in the FA after years of carrying a persecution complex regarding Ferguson getting fined and punished when other managers don't, their handling of Ferdinand missing his drug test and the Rooney situation last year, etc.

And they had to accept those rediculous decisions and take their bans. Why should any other club be able to dismiss the fa's decisions?

Revolution9 · 22-12-2011 09:05PM

Ordinary man wrote: »

Why should any other club be able to dismiss the fa's decisions?

Dismissing the decision would be playing Suarez even when he is supposed to be banned.

The club are stating their support and dissapointment, and indicating they will appeal, which is right any other club would have in this situation and a right any other club would surely exercise if they believed the verdict was incorrect.

Edit: And the Ferdinand ban was indeed appealed btw.

Pro. F · 22-12-2011 09:07PM

Ordinary man wrote: »

And they had to accept those rediculous decisions and take their bans. Why should any other club be able to dismiss the fa's decisions?

Why do people like you insist on making every argument in this thread retarded? You are criticising Liverpool for disagreeing with the decision, United (your club yes?) and most every other club have done that in the past.

There is plenty to criticise Liverpool about in this argument already, why not just do it sensibly and avoid your ridiculous hypocrisy?

niallo27 · 22-12-2011 09:09PM

Ordinary man wrote: »

And they had to accept those rediculous decisions and take their bans. Why should any other club be able to dismiss the fa's decisions?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/mar/04/sir-alex-ferguson-fa-atkinson

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/apr/05/wayne-rooney-united-appeal-ban

Iang87 · 22-12-2011 09:12PM

But but but he's been found guilty. This campaign is just making it worse for Suarez. There is no clearing his name at this stage.

Everybody will still look at him as a racist.[/Quote]

Everyone looked at him as a racist before this bull**** verdict thats the problem.

How else would they clear his name without a very public campaign? Please do tell

Samich wrote: »

It's the exact same thing.

Seriously comparing smoking a joint on the street cos its legal in amsterdam to doing it in england is not the same thing as the suarez case.

Theres laws and theres cultural differences and if you think their the same then you have a warped sense of reality

Revolution9 · 22-12-2011 09:20PM

Blatter wrote: »

Of course The FA don't always make the correct decisions.

However, I feel charging Suarez with racism and finding him guilty without substantial evidence is beyond even them.

Fair enough.

I feel Liverpool releasing such a strong statement without knowing for sure that Suarez was indeed found guilty on Evra's word alone would be beyond them.

I've no reason to distrust FSG and the senior staff at Liverpool who would've given the go ahead to appeal, whereas the FA have displayed their inconsistency and inadequacy numerous times over the years (as I'm sure most United fans are all too painfully aware of).

K-9 · 22-12-2011 09:26PM

Pro. F wrote: »

Why do people like you insist on making every argument in this thread retarded? You are criticising Liverpool for disagreeing with the decision, United (your club yes?) and most every other club have done that in the past.

There is plenty to criticise Liverpool about in this argument already, why not just do it sensibly and avoid your ridiculous hypocrisy?

Ordinary Man's Christmas's have all come at once, one of a few pool haters posting utter nonsense in this thread. Nobody takes them too seriously thank God. Its the our club are so much better than yours type stuff. People have just posted contrary information to the sh*te he posted but he'll keep on believing.

22-12-2011 09:34PM

Kess73 wrote: »

I think we need to focus more on PaullyD's handjob theory.

Yeah, a quality post alright.

As per

Crazy Horse 6 · 22-12-2011 09:42PM

Loving the false outrage from the United fans on this thread. Some really being shown up for what they are.

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