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Melion · 22-12-2011 07:06PM

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Lets hope Liverpool fans don't try to defend Terry either eh?

Cant really defend someone calling someone else a "Black cúnt" live on national TV

K-9 · 22-12-2011 07:10PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

he has not been charged yet. nor has his club and players done a crazy pr stunt that has backfired.

until terry actually goes to court, this suarez thing is much bigger.

He has been charged, you really should try and keep up with these racist cases that are so important to you.

kryogen · 22-12-2011 07:12PM

Melion wrote: »

JOHN TERRY

Just throwing it out there, that he should be someway involved in this thread too

Already tried that bud

kryogen wrote: »

Havent really been in here today, has the JT being charged news gone unnoticed? would have thought Id be seeing a bit more about that, do the FA have to wait till the court case is finished to bring their own charges?

The_Kew_Tour · 22-12-2011 07:13PM

Melion wrote: »

Cant really defend someone calling someone else a "Black cúnt" live on national TV

But sure maybe Ferdinand said something to him and sure can always just make up stuff for good old twist to a story.

Imagination is wonderful.

Blatter · 22-12-2011 07:14PM

Melion wrote: »

Sorry, worded it wrong. I hope they will be as "up in arms" if Terry is found to be guilty of racist remarks.

Well if he's found guilty and afterwards Chelsea FC publicly attack the credibility of Anton Ferdinand, try to put out a message that if you're not a racist you're not capable of a racial slur and wear t-shirts with John Terry's face on it, I'm sure you'll find plenty of fans up in arms, not just United ones.

kryogen · 22-12-2011 07:14PM

From where JT grew up in London the term he used can be an affectionate one so he obviously didnt mean to cause any offence, sure black people are some of his best friends

Renn · 22-12-2011 07:16PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

Loving that.

daithijjj · 22-12-2011 07:28PM

You have to love the Paul McGrath comments, same man who defended Ron Atkinson.

Ron's no racist - McGrath
Apr 25 2004

By Fionnuala Burke, Sunday Mercury

Aston Villa legend Paul McGrath has revealed that Ron Atkinson called black players coons during training sessions.

The retired soccer star claimed Big Ron used the racist term while manager of the Premier-ship club in the 1990s.

Yet McGrath insisted that his former boss, who resigned from his ITV job last week for branding Chelsea player Marcel Desailly a f***ing lazy big n****r live on air, was an INSPIRATION to black players.

When we put the claims to Atkinson yesterday, he did not deny using the derogatory term coon, but said: You should have heard what the players called me!

Big Ron, from Barnt Green in Worcester-shire, resigned from his £200,000 job as a sports pundit after his outburst on Tuesday night following Chelseas Champions League defeat against Monaco.

http://icbirmingham.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/mercury/tm_objectid=14180419&method=full&siteid=50002&headline=ron-s-no-racist---mcgrath-name_page.html

Nice one Paul, what was that you were saying today about throwing down shirts?. A moment of clarity perhaps? or a moment of double standards?.

kryogen · 22-12-2011 07:31PM

Enjoyed it so much you had to post it twice eh

daithijjj · 22-12-2011 07:33PM

kryogen wrote: »

Enjoyed it so much you had to post it twice eh

Seems when i edited in the link to the article it posted a second time, thanks for your concern.

greendom · 22-12-2011 07:34PM

@glen_johnson :

I will support who i want when i want!!! There are a lot of reasons why I'm standing by Luis Suarez!!!

The main one being the gaffer told me to.

Ordinary man · 22-12-2011 07:37PM

daithijjj wrote: »

You have to love the Paul McGrath comments, same man who defended Ron Atkinson.

Ron's no racist - McGrath
Apr 25 2004

By Fionnuala Burke, Sunday Mercury

Aston Villa legend Paul McGrath has revealed that Ron Atkinson called black players “coons” during training sessions.

The retired soccer star claimed Big Ron used the racist term while manager of the Premier-ship club in the 1990s.

Yet McGrath insisted that his former boss, who resigned from his ITV job last week for branding Chelsea player Marcel Desailly a “f***ing lazy big n****r” live on air, was an INSPIRATION to black players.

When we put the claims to Atkinson yesterday, he did not deny using the derogatory term ‘coon’, but said: “You should have heard what the players called me!”

Big Ron, from Barnt Green in Worcester-shire, resigned from his £200,000 job as a sports pundit after his outburst on Tuesday night following Chelsea’s Champions League defeat against Monaco.

http://icbirmingham.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/mercury/tm_objectid=14180419&method=full&siteid=50002&headline=ron-s-no-racist---mcgrath-name_page.html

Nice one Paul, what was that you were saying today about throwing down shirts?. A moment of clarity perhaps? or a moment of double standards?.

If you remember there was a queue of black players who came out and defended atkinson. They all agreed he was never a racist. Also atkitson accepted his mistake, made a full apology and took his punishment. A good example of how to deal with it

Leiva · 22-12-2011 07:39PM

Liverpool Football Club have every right to defend a player who they believe is innocent whatever way they like.

If you dont like it .. TOUGH !

Le King · 22-12-2011 07:46PM

mixednuts wrote: »

Liverpool Football Club have every right to defend a player who they believe is innocent whatever way they like.

If you dont like it .. TOUGH ![/Qu
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But but but he's been found guilty. This campaign is just making it worse for Suarez. There is no clearing his name at this stage.

Everybody will still look at him as a racist.

Blatter · 22-12-2011 07:48PM

daithijjj wrote: »

Nice one Paul, what was that you were saying today about throwing down shirts?. A moment of clarity perhaps? or a moment of double standards?.

The important part of that article that you omitted was;

Although McGrath condemned Big Ron for using insulting language, he said that he did not believe he was a racist.

He defended Atkinson in terms of believing he was not an actual racist, but condemned him for using racist language.

He obviously believes that Glen Johnson is defending Suarez for not being a racist and defending him for making a racial slur, by wearing that t-shirt.

Leiva · 22-12-2011 07:52PM

Le King wrote: »

mixednuts wrote: »

Liverpool Football Club have every right to defend a player who they believe is innocent whatever way they like.

If you dont like it .. TOUGH ![/Qu
ote]

But but but he's been found guilty. This campaign is just making it worse for Suarez. There is no clearing his name at this stage.

Everybody will still look at him as a racist.

Ahh Le King your back .

Maybe this time will answer this ; Do you think he is a racist ?

daithijjj · 22-12-2011 07:53PM

Ordinary man wrote: »

If you remember there was a queue of black players who came out and defended atkinson. They all agreed he was never a racist. Also atkitson accepted his mistake, made a full apology and took his punishment. A good example of how to deal with it

The point isnt about the punishment, the point is about McGrath, who went out of his way to explain why he thought Atkinson made the comments. He went on to explain why Atkinson may have said it but he hasnt displayed the same reasoning in regards to Suarez. Lets not forget that Suarez did not use the term Atkinson used, McGrath took an empathetic view towards Atkinson due to his background and that same empathetic standpoint was not used in regard to Suarez background.

Samich · 22-12-2011 07:54PM

Iang87 wrote: »

Oh Yawn.......

it is nothing like your ridiculous joint example. Its cultural differences, its so much more than just acceptable one place or the next

It's the exact same thing.

daithijjj · 22-12-2011 07:58PM

Blatter wrote: »

The important part of that article that you omitted was;

He defended Atkinson in terms of believing he was not an actual racist, but condemned him for using racist language.

He obviously believes that Glen Johnson is defending Suarez for not being a racist and defending him for making a racial slur, by wearing that t-shirt.

I think my above post addresses this point.

Mr Alan · 22-12-2011 07:59PM

Fantastic piece by Rory Smith online.

Samich · 22-12-2011 08:00PM

mixednuts wrote: »

Le King wrote: »

Ahh Le King your back .

Maybe this time will answer this ; Do you think he is a racist ?

Doesn't matter if he is a racist or not. He made a racist remark. What would stop someone from Ireland going over to England and calling people names (racial ones) and then saying "oh it's ok to say that in my culture". How does anyone know what's acceptable in another persons culture.

Le King · 22-12-2011 08:02PM

mixednuts wrote: »

Le King wrote: »

mixednuts wrote: »

Liverpool Football Club have every right to defend a player who they believe is innocent whatever way they like.

If you dont like it .. TOUGH ![/Qu
ote]

But but but he's been found guilty. This campaign is just making it worse for Suarez. There is no clearing his name at this stage.

Everybody will still look at him as a racist.

Ahh Le King your back .

Maybe this time will answer this ; Do you think he is a racist ?

I don't think he is a racist. But the language used in his country isn't acceptable here.

He will be seen as a racist by everybody no matter what happens and despite the fact that it may be acceptable in Uruguay.

Ordinary man · 22-12-2011 08:04PM

daithijjj wrote: »

The point isnt about the punishment, the point is about McGrath, who went out of his way to explain why he thought Atkinson made the comments. He went on to explain why Atkinson may have said it but he hasnt displayed the same reasoning in regards to Suarez. Lets not forget that Suarez did not use the term Atkinson used, McGrath took an empathetic view towards Atkinson due to his background and that same empathetic standpoint was not used in regard to Suarez background.

See Blatter's post above, he defended his friend not the comment he made. If suarez and lfc had held their hands up and admitted he should not have used the phrase and apologised and took the punishment, then we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Tommyhaas made an excellent post earlier and if his thinking was applied things wouldn't be where they are.

Blatter · 22-12-2011 08:05PM

daithijjj wrote: »

I think my above post addresses this point.

When he said that Atkinson was from an old school back round, he wasn't defending the racial slur, he was just adding it in more like a mitigating factor.

He still clearly condemned the comment and doesn't believe Glen Johnson is doing likewise by wearing t-shirts with Suarez's picture on it.

I fail to see it as a case of double standards.

Mr Alan · 22-12-2011 08:09PM

What phrase people?

I thought we still didn't know what was said?

Pro. F · 22-12-2011 08:09PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Shankly would have booted evra up the hole and told him get on with it.

He probably would have, but that would only be a sign that racism was acceptable in his day.

What is amazing is that in this day and age you are endorsing that kind of attitude. You seriously need to cop on to yourself and review your post. What you are doing here is making it look like you think black people should accept racial abuse.

In answer to your earlier questions of why the Suarez/Evra topic has caused so many posts on here, it is obvious - because fanboys from both sides have been purposefully inflammatory and thick about important issues. It's hilarious that you, a poster who has many times acted wilfully retarded in this thread, is questioning why it has gone on so long.

mixednuts wrote: »

Its obvious they were arguing but its not obvious when (context) the alleged word was said .

Was it said fondly then the argument kicked right off = Suarez innocent.

Was it said repeatedly with venow during the argument =Suarez guilty .

See the difference ?

Suarez isn't necessarily innocent in that first instance like you describe. It would be a mitigation if he was using the term in a friendly manner, but he could still be considered to have been unacceptably negligent in using a confusing slang term which refers to skin colour. Just because it is used as a term of affection does not change the actually dictionary definition of the word - black.

There is an onus on him to ensure that a misunderstanding of meaning and intent does not happen. If he had tried to clarify the situation with Evra at any stage and apologiesed for any offence caused by misunderstanding then that would further help his case. But it doesn't look like he's done that.

Samich · 22-12-2011 08:12PM

Also I don't think he is a racist but he used a term which was racist in england.

Revolution9 · 22-12-2011 08:21PM

Samich wrote: »

Also I don't think he is a racist but he used a term which was racist in england.

This:

Mr Alan wrote: »

What phrase people?

I thought we still didn't know what was said?

Technique · 22-12-2011 08:26PM

It's perfectly legal to be a racist in a free society like England.

What's illegal is making a derisory comment to someone based on their race.

If someone in the crowd at Anfield had made that remark to Evra, he'd be banned from the ground.

Simple.

Leiva · 22-12-2011 08:27PM

Is there anyone in the legal profession that could try and explain why the evidence was not released with the verdict , and why the 4 week wait ?

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