Petition to privatise Thatcher's funeral

Killer Pigeon · 21-12-2011 07:39PM

ejmaztec wrote: »

We generally do.

Aaarrrggghhh!!

Killer Pigeon · 21-12-2011 07:40PM

realies wrote: »

I long for a time when Ireland rejoins the United Kingdom so I can sign e-petitions ... can I make it more obvious to relieve you of your confusion?

British politics is so much more ... fun ... than Irish politics.

Johro · 21-12-2011 07:41PM

'In keeping with the great lady's legacy, Margaret Thatcher's state funeral should be funded and managed by the private sector to offer the best value and choice for end users and other stakeholders. The undersigned believe that the legacy of the former PM deserves nothing less and that offering this unique opportunity is an ideal way to cut government expense and further prove the merits of liberalised economics Baroness Thatcher spearheaded.'

I reckon it was a stake-holder that did her in. Either that or a silver bullet.

Kiera · 21-12-2011 07:44PM

Johro wrote: »

I reckon it was a stake-holder that did her in. Either that or a silver bullet.

I had a silver bullet once. Must get new batteries.

Sunnyisland · 21-12-2011 07:46PM

Killer Pigeon wrote: »

I long for a time when Ireland rejoins the United Kingdom so I can sign e-petitions ... can I make it more obvious to relieve you of your confusion?

British politics is so much more ... fun ... than Irish politics.

So you want Ireland to rejoin the UK so you can sign e-petitions, Good man killerpigion thanks for clearing that up

KeithAFC · 21-12-2011 07:50PM

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

Really? A few people have other ideas to mark the occasion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4BCUWopQQ4

Yes. She is a political hero to many people up here. She did what she thought was right for her country.

ItsAWindUp · 21-12-2011 07:52PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Yes. She is a political hero to many people up here. She did what she thought was right for her countryherself.

FYP

later12 · 21-12-2011 07:52PM

InTheTrees wrote: »

Oil

By retaining the Falklands (and south Georgia islands), the UK is a nation with a "legitimate" stake in Antarctica.

And no ones even sure how much oil there may be hidden down there.

Yes, the last part of that quote is particularly important. The Falklands is potentially an important gateway into the BAT, potentially a rich source of oil, fishing revenue, sheeps' wool and magic buttons, but my question to Fratton fred was what has been the benefit to the UK for having lost 300 of its men in protecting an island in which the inhabitants were denied to right to full British citizenship?

KeithAFC · 21-12-2011 07:54PM

ItsAWindUp wrote: »

FYP

If that is true, what was right for her was also right for many people in the UK. So again, no real problem with that. A strong leader. A very rare thing in politics now.

ItsAWindUp · 21-12-2011 07:56PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

If that is true, what was right for her was also right for many people in the UK. So again, no real problem with that. A strong leader. A very rare thing in politics now.

Wasn't right for the majority, only a select few from similar backgrounds to hers.

later12 · 21-12-2011 08:00PM

KeithAFC wrote: »

Yes. She is a political hero to many people up here. She did what she thought was right for her country.

What about the fact that every unionist MP resigned over her decision to sign the Anglo Irish Agreement, and are you also forgetting the tens of thousands of unionists who marched against her NI policy, as well as the poorest people on both sides of the ulster community. I'm sure all will be devastated alright.

Seriously, I know you seem to enjoy your reputation as a unionist but I'd really question your appreciation of historical fact.

Da Shins Kelly · 21-12-2011 08:01PM

Can't say I'll be too sad when she's laying in her grave.

There's plenty of British who won't be shedding a tear either.

KeithAFC · 21-12-2011 08:07PM

later10 wrote: »

What about the fact that every unionist MP resigned over her decision to sign the Anglo Irish Agreement, and are you also forgetting the tens of thousands of unionists who marched against her NI policy, as well as the poorest people on both sides of the ulster community. I'm sure all will be devastated alright.

Seriously, I know you seem to enjoy your reputation as a unionist but I'd really question your appreciation of historical fact.

That is true but many Unionists appreciate now what a difficult situation she was put in. She had to make big decisions then.

She still has many admirers of her and perhaps her contributions are only being recognised now. Dublin was desperate to get involved and she had to keep good relations with Dublin for many reasons. Also don't forget that the likes of Ian Paisley and co went ahead and did what she was aiming for them to do in the first place. They only realised 15 years later.

21-12-2011 08:14PM

Ah come on now people,

I think we can all agree that this is what the bitch would have wanted..
She would abhor the thought of government money (her taxes) going toward anything like this..

21-12-2011 08:14PM

Ah come on now people,

I think we can all agree that this is what the bitch would have wanted..
She would abhor the thought of government money (her taxes) going toward anything like this..

bwatson · 21-12-2011 08:17PM

Seanchai wrote: »

Yeah, but you're a British nationalist of the most rightwing John Bull type so that's not surprising in fairness.

She should be dragged in front of a war crimes tribunal for many things, such as authorising a shoot-to-kill policy against the native Irish forces of resistance in the occupied Six Counties (John Stalker, anybody?), supporting and arming the Indonesian genocide of the East Timorese, fully supporting the apartheid régime in South Africa (members of which gave her Tory Party millions in funding around the time she referred to Mandela as a "terrorist"), supporting child-murdering dictators like Pinochet while lecturing others about "terrorism" and "human rights", and so much else.

Only the most backward, blinkered and undereducated British nationalist could admire this murdering hypocritical wench.

Native Irish forces of resistance who had their own shoot to kill policies? Not to mention their detonate to kill, hack to kill, and beat to kill policies?

I'm from the North. I'm as native to this island as you are. I am not one to fly off the handle if called Irish or an Irishman, however I choose to identify as British and want to see my homeland under British rule. Why do your forces for liberation deserve any different treatment to the treatment they were dishing out?

btard · 21-12-2011 08:20PM

Batsy wrote: »

The English as a whole couldn't have hated her, otherwise she wouldn't have won three general elections.

Most of her votes came from the more affluent South of the country. I lived in the North of England for a time when she was in power. She turned it in to a wasteland and was hated with a vengence for that.

charlemont · 21-12-2011 08:21PM

Maggie is as tough as nails, She won't kick the bucket for a long time. Historically speaking she was/is a fascinating character, I spent my childhood hating the woman but now recognise she was protecting her own countries interest.

bwatson · 21-12-2011 08:22PM

Dotrel wrote: »

AKA the Falklands PR/re-election stunt.

Your politics are very confused. Either that or you are a hypocrite who has no shame in the fact.

I can only assume you are fully supportive of imperialism (argentine imperialism in this case) so long as it is not British imperialism?

bwatson · 21-12-2011 08:29PM

btard wrote: »

Most of her votes came from the more affluent South of the country. I lived in the North of England for a time when she was in power. She turned it in to a wasteland and was hated with a vengence for that.

She also implemented policies which now see Britain as the sixth largest economy in the world today. Her government saw the world was changing, and faced the challenges of the archaic systems and failing British economy head on.

Fratton Fred · 21-12-2011 08:48PM

later10 wrote: »

Yes, the last part of that quote is particularly important. The Falklands is potentially an important gateway into the BAT, potentially a rich source of oil, fishing revenue, sheeps' wool and magic buttons, but my question to Fratton fred was what has been the benefit to the UK for having lost 300 of its men in protecting an island in which the inhabitants were denied to right to full British citizenship?

300 British men and 700 Argentinians. Blame the Junta for their deaths, not Margaret Thatcher.

Military personnel sign up to defend Britain and its overseas protectorates, they died doing their job.

What would you have Britain do, just roll over and let the Argentines show that taking an island against the 2000 islanders will is acceptable?

Batsy · 21-12-2011 08:52PM

btard wrote: »

Most of her votes came from the more affluent South of the country.

She still got more votes than the other party leaders in three consecutive general elections.

But I'm not sure if most of the Tory votes in all the elections that Thatcher won came from the south of England.

Here are some of the constituencies that the Tories won in the 1983 General Election: Cunninghame North; Corby; Nottingham East; Derbyshire South; Leicestershire North West; Halifax; Stockton South; York; Darlington; Bridgend.

Cunninghame North is in Scotland. Even the Scots voted for the Tories under Thatcher!

Fratton Fred · 21-12-2011 08:52PM

charlemont wrote: »

Maggie is as tough as nails, She won't kick the bucket for a long time. Historically speaking she was/is a fascinating character, I spent my childhood hating the woman but now recognise she was protecting her own countries interest.

A sentiment I would agree with 100%.

I threads like this I find myself defending the woman and at the time I hated her with a passion.

later12 · 21-12-2011 08:53PM

Fratton Fred wrote: »

What would you have Britain do, just roll over and let the Argentines show that taking an island against the 2000 islanders will is acceptable?

Let me see...

Why yes, I would.

It was nothing but an exercise in the pompous sort of nationalism that Thatcher espoused combined with a faint interest in the economic advantages that the Falklands might hold for Britain.

The British had been ignoring the Falkland islanders for years before the war, allowing their economy to stagnate and even face a serious crisis. The UK government were very poorly equipped to govern the island.

So let me ask you again and this time you might answer.

Were 300 British deaths worth it, and what did they achieve for the UK?

bwatson · 21-12-2011 09:07PM

later10 wrote: »

Let me see...

Why yes, I would.

It was nothing but an exercise in the pompous sort of nationalism that Thatcher espoused combined with a faint interest in the economic advantages that the Falklands might hold for Britain.

The British had been ignoring the Falkland islanders for years before the war, allowing their economy to stagnate and even face a serious crisis. The UK government were very poorly equipped to govern the island.

So let me ask you again and this time you might answer.

Were 300 British deaths worth it, and what did they achieve for the UK?

They achieved the successful defence of a British overseas territory from a foreign invasion force. They won the liberation of the Falkland Islanders, who with very few exceptions wish to remain under British rule. They died doing the job they volunteered to do, for a cause which soldiers have fought for since the dawn of organized war.

Your answer means nothing anyway, you are an Irishman. The emotions of the British public and government at the news of an invasion of sovereign territory in this manner are something which you obviously cannot relate to.

For Forks Sake · 21-12-2011 09:13PM

MagicMarker wrote: »

Is she dead?

http://isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk/

Chuck Stone · 21-12-2011 09:13PM

bwatson wrote: »

Your answer means nothing anyway, you are an Irishman. The emotions of the British public and government at the news of an invasion of sovereign territory in this manner are something which you obviously cannot relate to.

Of course because unlike the British the Irish never had to put up with that type of thing.

Wait a sec...

bwatson · 21-12-2011 09:22PM

Chuck Stone wrote: »

Of course because unlike the British the Irish never had to put up with that type of thing.

Wait a sec...

I had taken it for granted that no users of this forum were around to witness the Norman Invasion of the 12th century. That'll teach me to be so presumptuous. None of you have witnessed or experienced an invasion. You have grown up and lived with a native population in the north of the island who do not identify themselves as Irish alone. The situations are incomparable.

Anyway, I must assume that the poster in question did not believe in any armed campaign to "free" N. Ireland.

Capt'n Midnight · 21-12-2011 09:22PM

I've seen the plans for her mausoleum. It's nice but there isn't enough room on the dance floor.

ejmaztec · 21-12-2011 09:29PM

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

I've seen the plans for her mausoleum. It's nice but there isn't enough room on the dance floor.

She's probably already made arrangements to be buried at sea, after hearing that a lot of people want to dance on her grave.

I'm going to have a snorkel ready.

Petition to privatise Thatcher's funeral

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