Racism - Mod Note on 1st Post - Read before posting.

menoscemo wrote: »

As someone who speaks fluent spanish and has spent time in Spain and south America, I find it impossible to believe that anyone would call a white man 'negrito' or 'negro' with any regular occurence. I also don't believe that suarez would call Evra either of the two words while blind to his skin colour.

Omar Esparza, the man that Hernandez referred to as Negrito.





Thiago Alcantara, recently called Negrito by Dani Pacheco.


That's just the two examples I mentioned earlier. A quick google search will show plenty of other examples of how Negrito is used in some SouthAmerican countries, and by some European spanish speakers. I am not debating the dictionary meaning of the word or how it translates into English, but it is a word that has outgrown it's original european meaning when used in a certain way, and because of this I think it would be hard to make anything stick if this was the word used.

I never mentioned Negro as a word used for a white man though, so not sure where you got that idea from.

monkey9 wrote: »

Once the non guilty verdict comes back on Suarez, Evra surely can't be taken seriously again.

This being what, the third? racist incident he's been involved in where nothing is proved. Should something be done (if true) about Evra accusing the ref of booking him because he's black? Because that's racist!

Name the incidents.

menoscemo wrote: »

It cannot be used on anyone regardless of skin colour. You cannot call a white or yellow man 'negrito' since it means literally 'little black man'. To call a white man 'negrito is nonsensical.
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Again to quote my Chilean friend, she said they use the words Negro and Negrito almost interchangably, and that they use it even to refer to a white/hispanic person with black hair, that its not necessarily a race thing even.

monkey9 wrote: »

Once the non guilty verdict comes back on Suarez, Evra surely can't be taken seriously again.

This being what, the third? racist incident he's been involved in where nothing is proved. Should something be done (if true) about Evra accusing the ref of booking him because he's black? Because that's racist!

To be fair, even if Suarez is found non guilty that does not mean that Evra lied. It is of course possible that he lied, but it would be just as possible and much more likely imho that he simply misheard a word and reacted to what he thought he heard.

This really is the single most frustrating thread on boards - it's supposed to be about the alleged racist remarks attributed to Luis Suarez (referring to Patrice Evra)

What it has developed into is a forum for some supporters (not all) to vehemently defend 'their' player.

Never have I seen a thread to go around in circles as much as this one. I'm a Manchester United fan and it really is simple -

• If Suarez is guilty, he should be punished.
• It is possible that Evra reacted to a statement that wasn't meant maliciously - no action would be taken in this case imo.
• It is also possible that Evra made it up, and in that case, if his intention was to get Suarez in trouble, then he should be punished.

What is important, imo, is the wording of whatever statement the Disciplinary Committee publish, and i think it's important for all of us to examine and accept this, before flying off the handle and reacting without thinking. Chances of this are slim, though methinks.

I have my opinion about what I think may have happened, but to say it here will just get over the top responses from all angles.

And regardless of the outcome of the investigation on tuesday, the reactions here should make good reading.

menoscemo wrote: »

What Rebel said was that it can refer to either skin colour or hair colour. Do you honestly think that Suarez was talking about Evra's hair colour when he called him negro/negrito?

I have no idea what was going through the mind of Suarez when he said whatever he said.

Maybe he did use Negrito.

Maybe he used in in a racist way.

Maybe he used it in a sarky way after hearing some of Evra's teammates use the same word to him on the pitch.

Maybe he did use it in a somewhat friendly manner in tryiung to calm down his spat with Evra.

I don't know in what context he spoke whatever he said, and neither does anyone else here.

What I do know it that the words suggested so far can be used in many ways, and that again can change in terms of meaning depending on whether a person goes with the literal meaning of a word or a slang use of the word.


If Suarez is genuinely guilty of making a racist remark with the intent to offend, then he should be punished harshly. That much is a no brainer.

If Evra was found guilty of fabrication and/or of making a claim that the ref booked him because he is black, then he should be punished harshly.

But if it came about that there was a genuine mix up between the players that both let get out of hand, then I don't see how either player can be punished.

We can type away here all day and debate the various nuances that came come with a word used in a number of different cultures/countries, but at the end of the day we thankfully don't have to make the final decision in all of this.

Kent Brockman wrote: »

My 8 yr old was describing an incident between 2 players in yesterdays match, to his mother. But she didn't know who he was talking about as she has very little interest and did not recognise the names.

During the replay he then pointed out " see there...the black fella [did whatever] ....."

I fear he has secretly joined the KKK :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Mountain/molehill

Case closed then. Obviously we expect the same thinking from an eight year old and a grown man:rolleyes:

Apparently he was locked up in a hotel for 3 days! The inhumanity of it all. Its a shame it wasn't Mario, we'd have plenty of new events to comment on.

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

There is no doubt Evra has issues and likes to play the victim what can be done about it is the question. If this plays out like it looks it will, Evra has done a huge disservice to the anti racism campaign in the premiership.

There is no evidence that Evra has made one single claim of racism before now. You are full of shít.

And with your phoney concern for the imaginary harm done to the anti racism campaigns you really are being disgusting.