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GTR63 · 10-12-2011 11:27PM

Charlie Haughy wrote: »

Still waiting on that big game turn out Ronaldo...

He missed some sitters tonite aswell. Not a bad day so far with Barca beating Real and Liverpool winning and scoring (we missed about 10 chances as usual).

GTR63 · 11-12-2011 12:06AM

A Sherlock Holmes sequel I quite enjoyed the first but with Robert Downey Jr I must be careful. I really enjoyed the first Ironman but Ironman 2 was like he let the good reviews for the first film go to his head and acted like a prick in it. As usual i'll wait for my brother to get it on dvd in a few months.

GTR63 · 11-12-2011 01:50PM

Watching Mir basically mangle Big Nog's arm was uncomfortable and one of the sickest things i've ever seen. If rumours are correct we could see Lesnar vs Murr III around new year's if my Ruud Gullit on Steroids quip is correct with Overeem.

Dancor · 12-12-2011 10:35AM

Charlie Haughy wrote: »

Still waiting on that big game turn out Ronaldo...

Huh?

rovert · 12-12-2011 01:07PM

Forget Bret and Shawn:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/dec/12/metallica-reunite-original-lineup

Diabhal Beag · 12-12-2011 01:49PM

Dancor wrote: »

Huh?

He's never played well in El Classico

GTR63 · 12-12-2011 02:16PM

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

He's never played well in El Classico

His level of performance and impact on games seems to drop when the going gets tough. He's fantastic against teams like Malaga but struggles against the real elite sides. The game Saturday just passed him by, Kaka' knee surgeries and all was at least running at the typically unorganised Barcelona back 4.

Dancor · 12-12-2011 02:50PM

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

He's never played well in El Classico

Who does play well agains Barca though? The current crop are the greatest team ever.

GTR63 wrote: »

His level of performance and impact on games seems to drop when the going gets tough.

He grabbed United by the balls and dragged them by himself during tough games. Real dont get as many tough games, granted he does get frustrated and moany.

GTR63 wrote: »

He's fantastic against teams like Malaga but struggles against the real elite sides.

This is argument that was used against him at United too which is bollox, saying he only done it against small teams and never in the big games. There is only one side greater than Madrid at the moment and that is obviously Barca.

GTR63 · 12-12-2011 03:45PM

Could I have a list of all these Big Games he has done it in. When United beat a poor Barca side in a semi final it was scholes that scored,when they played Milan the year before he was anonymous. He has a good record against Arsenal alrite but i'd like a look at his record vs Liverpool and Chelsea(no point mentioning the other gap fillers at the time he was in england). As for the nobody puts it up to Barca lark that ain't true Milan gave them a lot more trouble than Real did which suprised me.

Dancor · 12-12-2011 03:59PM

GTR63 wrote: »

Could I have a list of all these Big Games he has done it in. When United beat a poor Barca side in a semi final it was scholes that scored,when they played Milan the year before he was anonymous. He has a good record against Arsenal alrite but i'd like a look at his record vs Liverpool and Chelsea(no point mentioning the other gap fillers at the time he was in england). As for the nobody puts it up to Barca lark that ain't true Milan gave them a lot more trouble than Real did which suprised me.

Saying that he doesnt do it in big games is nonsense, Champions League final V Chelsea being one of the biggest, CDR V Barca last year being another. He is a goal scorer and does it well.

Charlie Haughy · 12-12-2011 04:02PM

Dancor wrote: »

Saying that he doesnt do it in big games is nonsense, Champions League final V Chelsea being one of the biggest, CDR V Barca last year being another. He is a goal scorer and does it well.

Well he nearly cost United that final against Chelsea. Yes he scored that header, but didn't do that much else otherwise in the game. Hes notorious for going missing during big games, and showing his petulant side. One of the main things thats holding him back behind messi for best player in the world.

GTR63 · 12-12-2011 04:28PM

Dancor wrote: »

Saying that he doesnt do it in big games is nonsense, Champions League final V Chelsea being one of the biggest, CDR V Barca last year being another. He is a goal scorer and does it well.

2 games well thats me quietened. The thing I don't get why he can't do it against Barca its not as if Barca can defend. The back 4 are all good footballers no doubt but not good defenders (Brazil can't even pick dani alves 1st choice cause the man is a total disaster defensively as he proved once again in the copa america).

parker kent · 12-12-2011 04:30PM

Charlie Haughy wrote: »

Well he nearly cost United that final against Chelsea. Yes he scored that header, but didn't do that much else otherwise in the game. Hes notorious for going missing during big games, and showing his petulant side. One of the main things thats holding him back behind messi for best player in the world.

That's a load of nonsense. He played brilliantly in the first half of the final and then Chelsea took over. As an attacking player, that is normal. Essien was exposed as the makeshift full back he was. Apart from the goal his cross set up the Tevez chance from which either he or Carrick should have scored.

Big games that Ronaldo has played well in? I suppose Champions League Finals & semi finals don't count? Or the World Cup semi-final in 2006 where he is widely acknowledged to have carried Portugal?

Of course he gets petulant. Yes he can be quiet in games when his team are being outplayed. That is perfectly normal for an attacking player. Ronaldo, Van Basten etc were no different. Comparing him to the freak that is Lionel Messi is pointless. Messi is a freak of nature the likes of which have not been seen since Maradona.

GTR63 wrote: »

2 games well thats me quietened. The thing I don't get why he can't do it against Barca its not as if Barca can defend. The back 4 are all good footballers no doubt but not good defenders (Brazil can't even pick dani alves 1st choice cause the man is a total disaster defensively as he proved once again in the copa america).

You need the ball to "do it". Barca regularly have 70-75% possession. Comparing Alves for Brazil with Alves at Barcelona is like wondering why Roger Federer isn't as good playing corner forward in an All Ireland final as he is on Centre Court. Brazil and Barcelona in recent years couldn't be more different. One is set up purely to counter attack and sit deep. The other completely and utterly dominate the game.

GTR63 · 12-12-2011 04:48PM

Alves plays right wing back for both teams federer plays tennis and not hurling so I don't get that comparison at all. Alves is a rubbish defender for both sides particular when the opposition get the ball for that 35% of a game yet when he and puyol were there Ronaldo did nothing out there but trip over himself/dive. What Semi Final did he do it in against Barca last year Nope, against Milan in 07 nope again and against Barca in 08 United relied on Scholes to put them through. He was hardly the best player on the pitch in the final either. As for the World Cup in 06 portugal scraped through when Rooney got sent off in the quarters and were easily dispatched in the semi vs France. The less said about portugal since the better.

parker kent · 12-12-2011 05:05PM

GTR63 wrote: »

As for the World Cup in 06 portugal scraped through when Rooney got sent off in the quarters and were easily dispatched in the semi vs France. The less said about portugal since the better.

Did you read any of what I said? What happened in the quarter final is totally irrelevant to the semi-final. Ronaldo played very well against France. Look up the articles from the day after the match. Nearly all agree he played well. And "the less said about Portugal?" Why? They have been in a European Championship final and a World Cup final in his time. That is pretty good. They were narrowly beaten by Spain at the last World Cup too (after getting through an extremely tough group)

What Semi Final did he do it in against Barca last year Nope, against Milan in 07 nope again and against Barca in 08 United relied on Scholes to put them through.

Conveniently forgetting this are we? Two goals and one assist? I wouldn't mind doing that in a Champions League semi final.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4y_6LfWw_w

Also Paul Scholes scoring a goal is hardly United relying on him either. There is more to playing well than scoring a goal. Look up a vast amount of United games from that era and count how often Ronaldo carries the ball 60, 70, 80 yards to set up attacks. He does that far less now at Madrid as he is in a different role. But he played a massive, un-arguable role at United and he pretty obviously did it in important games too.

GTR63 · 12-12-2011 05:56PM

parker kent wrote: »

Did you read any of what I said? What happened in the quarter final is totally irrelevant to the semi-final. Ronaldo played very well against France. Look up the articles from the day after the match. Nearly all agree he played well. And "the less said about Portugal?" Why? They have been in a European Championship final and a World Cup final in his time. That is pretty good. They were narrowly beaten by Spain at the last World Cup too (after getting through an extremely tough group)

Conveniently forgetting this are we? Two goals and one assist? I wouldn't mind doing that in a Champions League semi final.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4y_6LfWw_w

Also Paul Scholes scoring a goal is hardly United relying on him either. There is more to playing well than scoring a goal. Look up a vast amount of United games from that era and count how often Ronaldo carries the ball 60, 70, 80 yards to set up attacks. He does that far less now at Madrid as he is in a different role. But he played a massive, un-arguable role at United and he pretty obviously did it in important games too.

When were Portugal in a World Cup final, must of been the women,the entire squad choked that Euro Final too. Spain narrowly beat nearly everyone at the last world cup but nobody ever looked like knocking them out. Me saying the less said the better was talking about them after 06 when Figo and Rui Costa both went and they haven't done as much since having to get through by via play offs of the last two qualifying campaigns. 1 out of 4 semi's(the one which I did acknowledged earlier) he's isn't exactly the man for the big occasion with that rate he also did it against the worst and least organised team he played by a absolute mile. Scholes was a heck of a lot better than Ronaldo that nite vs a disjointed couldn't care less Barca, Utd miss him in the middle of the park a lot more than I ever thought they would.

flahavaj · 12-12-2011 06:11PM

Diabhal Beag wrote: »

He's never played well in El Classico

Check who scored the winner in Copa del Rey last season.

This whole idea Ronaldo isn't a "big game" player was put to bed ages ago I thought.

Lord TSC · 12-12-2011 06:50PM

This looks so fun...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjiOsRfVUVU

jaykhunter · 12-12-2011 07:09PM

I just finished writing up my Top 25 videogames of all time. Give it a look! (also friend me on FB

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CMpunked · 12-12-2011 08:03PM

Portal 2 is too low down im afraid, Jay.

Digitalism · 12-12-2011 08:16PM

flahavaj wrote: »

Check who scored the winner in Copa del Rey last season.

This whole idea Ronaldo isn't a "big game" player was put to bed ages ago I thought.

No it hasn't.

The guy does nothing of much importance a lot of the time in big, important games. Sure he does the odd good thing in big games, but you can say that about a lot of players like. Hes just not that consistent in big games.

Sure ronaldo doesn't have the natural talent of Messi, and has got to the physical ability he has now through hard work and lots and lots of training, but you can still compare them in lots of aspects. Messi goes missing for big games also, most notably for Argentina, but not anywhere near as much as Ronny.

Digitalism · 12-12-2011 08:19PM

jaykhunter wrote: »

I just finished writing up my Top 25 videogames of all time. Give it a look! (also friend me on FB )

Hmmm not so sure about GTA 4 being in that list.... San Andreas is a much better game overall, for the time obviously.

No Oblivion or Skyrim? Those were massive gaming achievements IMO. Halo or even COD 4 could be there also I think.

Is it your personal preference list or what you consider the best games overall?

jaykhunter · 12-12-2011 08:42PM

Oh definitely it's all personal preference. I probably should've wrote favourite! I get motion sickness v quickly from playing FPS games so they're all out, i literally can't play 'em

I'm sure Skyrim/Oblivion is a better game than Dead Space 2 but they're personal tastes, spooge over horror games

Consider conjuring up a list of favourites?

CMpunked · 12-12-2011 08:53PM

Theres no way my brain could be capable of compiling a list.
Not for any mental reasons, but it seems everytime i play a great game i let out a exclamation of that being one of the best games i ever played.

Mario Galaxy 2, Red Dead, Portal 2, the two most recent batmans, Destruction Derby 2, The skate game series and tons more have always been beyond exceptional for me.

GTR63 · 12-12-2011 09:07PM

jaykhunter wrote: »

Oh definitely it's all personal preference. I probably should've wrote favourite! I get motion sickness v quickly from playing FPS games so they're all out, i literally can't play 'em I'm sure Skyrim/Oblivion is a better game than Dead Space 2 but they're personal tastes, spooge over horror games

Skyrim/Oblivion can be played in 3rd person too but its not the same apparently. Games are all taste, I love Alan Wake and Hotel Dusk but I know other people wouldn't like games like that. I must pick up a Wii eventually for Zelda and Galaxy 1/2 but I plan on getting a Vita next year so it won't be anytime soon.

CMpunked · 12-12-2011 09:42PM

Speaking of retro-rific games:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwCjKnlfmoA

I clocked up so many many hours on that game back in the day.

GTR63 · 12-12-2011 09:58PM

City are beaten. United should thank the hopeless Clichy more than Chelsea. The likes of Zabaleta,Barry and Lescott are there Spearing,Downing and Carroll's not good enough simple as.

Penn · 12-12-2011 10:09PM

jaykhunter wrote: »

I just finished writing up my Top 25 videogames of all time. Give it a look! (also friend me on FB )

In GTA:IV, Roman is Niko's cousin, not his brother.

For shame CMpunked.... As a fellow GTA Mod you should have spotted that. I am disappoint.

Nice list jayk, but no love for any Metal Gear Solid or Assassin's Creed?

12-12-2011 10:39PM

CMpunked wrote: »

Speaking of retro-rific games:

I clocked up so many many hours on that game back in the day.

Is that "The Hanger" level in the video.

I remember trying for ages to find the secret tape in that level back when there was no Internet (for me) to look up hints.

All I had to do was grind the helicopter

parker kent · 12-12-2011 11:47PM

GTR63 wrote: »

When were Portugal in a World Cup final, must of been the women,the entire squad choked that Euro Final too.

It should be pretty clear I just left out semi given my post and those before it referred to the world cup semi final against France. So it must not "of" been the women.

The idea of him not being a big game player is just ridiculous. It is another example of invented criteria for great players. It always comes down to people cherry picking games to suit a clearly ridiculous argument. Whatever he does will be ignored by some people unless he has a poor game (even if that just means he misses a chance). As ridiculous as the opinions that Messi could not play well in big games before the champions league final in 2009.

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