Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 - Mod Note 4153

slingerz · 11-12-2011 02:07AM

What would people think of a move for Darren Bent in January?

monkey9 · 11-12-2011 02:08AM

tommyhaas wrote: »

Nobody has said any differently, just questioned whether money could have been spent better

Only time will tell! Let's see where we are in a couple of seasons in regards to those players signed recently

d22ontour · 11-12-2011 02:09AM

K-9 wrote: »

We've lost Torres, Alonso and Masch in the last couple of years.

Some class players lost for sure but you gained Enrique and Suarez, that's 'possibly' 2/3 world class players replaced albeit all different positions.Left full has been a major problem for years for you too , no ? You could sign Villa to replace Torres but Alonso will never be replaced, that type of player is astoundingly hard to come across imo.

michael999999 · 11-12-2011 02:10AM

slingerz wrote: »

What would people think of a move for Darren Bent in January?

No, No, No!

11-12-2011 02:13AM

slingerz wrote: »

What would people think of a move for Darren Bent in January?

He's hardly ripping up the league this year. 5 goals in 15 apps this year.

Not much better than Carrolls record.

Tbh, with no midfield enforcer I'm not sure are we set up to play a 4-4-2 as it will leave us exposed badly in centre of midfield.

K-9 · 11-12-2011 02:15AM

d22ontour wrote: »

Some class players lost for sure but you gained Enrique and Suarez, that's 'possibly' 2/3 world class players replaced albeit all different positions.Left full has been a major problem for years for you too , no ? You could sign Villa to replace Torres but Alonso will never be replaced, that type of player is astoundingly hard to come across imo.

Actually, the obvious glaring weakness that hasn't been replaced in anyway there is Torres's goals.

Lucas and this season, Adam have filled in, though as you say, Alonso is irreplaceable.

The team aren't playing badly, creating chances, that isn't in dispute by anybody, or well, I hope so?

11-12-2011 02:17AM

michael999999 wrote: »

No, No, No!

No, No, No.
No, No, No,No.
No, No, There's no limit !

K-9 · 11-12-2011 02:20AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

He's hardly ripping up the league this year. 5 goals in 15 apps this year.

Not much better than Carrolls record.

Tbh, with no midfield enforcer I'm not sure are we set up to play a 4-4-2 as it will leave us exposed badly in centre of midfield.

I suppose it's either a 4-5-1 type formation, but Suarez doesn't suit that, it's grand against United or City at home or playing Away or the 4-4-2 with Suarez and Carroll.

I'd have more confidence in a 4-4-2 with Suarez and Kuyt up front but the RM is weak, unless you go Downing right and Bellamy/Maxi left.

monkey9 · 11-12-2011 02:30AM

K-9 wrote: »

I suppose it's either a 4-5-1 type formation, but Suarez doesn't suit that, it's grand against United or City at home or playing Away or the 4-4-2 with Suarez and Carroll.

I'd have more confidence in a 4-4-2 with Suarez and Kuyt up front but the RM is weak, unless you go Downing right and Bellamy/Maxi left.

It seemed a lot like 4-1-4-1 today! Formations are actually starting to become a bit outdated. There maybe a standard basis as to how you defend, but i think football these days is becoming more and more fluid.

For example, does anyone have an opinion on the exact position Jordan Henderson played today?

K-9 · 11-12-2011 02:39AM

monkey9 wrote: »

It seemed a lot like 4-1-4-1 today! Formations are actually starting to become a bit outdated. There maybe a standard basis as to how you defend, but i think football these days is becoming more and more fluid.

For example, does anyone have an opinion on the exact position Jordan Henderson played today?

You have a point. I think with Suarez, forget 4-4-2, it's a 4-4-1-1, but Kuyt or Carroll should be the striker, otherwise it's a bit of a waste.

I do agree yep, sometimes I can't see any formations depending on the type of play. Under pressure, formations go out the window, it's as many back as possible. That's were a Lucas type player come in handy. He gets the ball, simple pass or keeps possession, giving the team a chance to get numbers forward.

I suppose the point is, there'll be periods of play formation isn't obvious or adhered to, then you see managers giving instructions!

killwill · 11-12-2011 09:09AM

rarnes1 wrote: »

He's hardly ripping up the league this year. 5 goals in 15 apps this year.

Not much better than Carrolls record.

Tbh, with no midfield enforcer I'm not sure are we set up to play a 4-4-2 as it will leave us exposed badly in centre of midfield.

The reason being he is getting absolutely no service.
I read a stat yesterday, could have been on the BBC website, that he has touched the ball on avg 24 times a game. The least amount by any player.

PiE · 11-12-2011 11:18AM

monkey9 wrote: »

It seemed a lot like 4-1-4-1 today! Formations are actually starting to become a bit outdated. There maybe a standard basis as to how you defend, but i think football these days is becoming more and more fluid.

I think the general understanding of "formations" has always been more for the spectator's benefit than the players/coaches/teams. As you say, it's a basic starting point for each player, but beyond that football is too fluid for them to be set in stone during a game.

Crazy Horse 6 · 11-12-2011 11:36AM

slingerz wrote: »

What would people think of a move for Darren Bent in January?

Lord no.

Kirby · 11-12-2011 11:53AM

d22ontour wrote: »

Owners paid 35m for him, surely they are in their rights to say ' hey we gave you 35m to get this guy, sell him to raise funds' if you want another striker ?

That would be a mistake.....and it won't happen. If they were to sell him in January or in the summer you would only get around 10m for him. You can't do alot with 10 million and the owners would not allow an investment like that to be written off with a 25 million loss after one year.

It makes you look foolish and wastes money. It's just not good business. It makes more sense to continue with him in the hope he will come good. If he does than you get a decent return.

rarnes1 wrote: »

He's hardly ripping up the league this year. 5 goals in 15 apps this year.

Not much better than Carrolls record.

Tbh, with no midfield enforcer I'm not sure are we set up to play a 4-4-2 as it will leave us exposed badly in centre of midfield.

Messi and Ronaldo would struggle with McLeish as thier manager. He is awful. This is a manager who is making exciting players like N'zogbia and Agbonlahor look boring. A manager who plays Heskey. Enough said really.

Bent is a good player and would score goals with any team. But he would prosper in an attacking team like Liverpool. He wouldn't be my number one suggestion for a buy but don't blame him for Aston Villa's current perdicament.

Kess73 · 11-12-2011 12:00PM

Kirby wrote: »

That would be a mistake.....and it won't happen. If they were to sell him in January or in the summer you would only get around 10m for him. You can't do alot with 10 million and the owners would not allow an investment like that to be written off with a 25 million loss after one year.

It makes you look foolish and wastes money. It's just not good business. It makes more sense to continue with him in the hope he will come good. If he does than you get a decent return.

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While I see the logic in what you are saying, if Liverpool were to buy another striker in January and keep Carroll, then the potential is there for Carroll to get even less game time if the new player starts scoring, and there would be even less chance of Carroll coming good and an even greater chance of him losing more value.

I think that it may come down to which way the owners think will lose them the least money on Carroll.

Kirby · 11-12-2011 12:08PM

If they bought another striker, they would have a total of 4 natural strikers. Don't forget that Bellamy is 32 aswell.

There is no harm in having 4 strikers. What if saurez broke down tomorrow the way Lucas has? Besides, Liverpool are supposed to be on the up. If you are in 4 competitions you need to have a squad to deal with it.

Buying Carroll may have been a misstep, but selling him so soon would be a bigger one.

mike65 · 11-12-2011 12:11PM

Kuyt is 31 and on the downgrade as well. I think a case can be made for a striker.

joe123 · 11-12-2011 12:14PM

I think its pretty obvious we need another striker. But who though? There arent many available at the minute.

Llorente and Cavani are the two that spring to mind for me, but both would cost over 30 million.

A suarez + cavani partnership would be :pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

Kirby · 11-12-2011 12:19PM

joe123 wrote: »

I think its pretty obvious we need another striker. But who though? There arent many available at the minute.

Llorente and Cavani are the two that spring to mind for me, but both would cost over 30 million.

A suarez + cavani partnership would be :pac::pac::pac::pac::pac:

Forget the money. Players of that reputation would have their pick of suitors if they wanted a move. Untill Liverpool get champions league football again, these type of players are non runners. And it looks like it will be spurs, not liverpool who might break the top4 this year. Better off plucking a talent from weaker clubs with the lure of premier league football and players who will buy into a rebuilding project.

SlickRic · 11-12-2011 12:26PM

people turning their nose up at Darren Bent?

a proven poacher, and 20-goal a season striker?

i'd take him in a heartbeat. he'd thrive in the way we're playing.

slingerz · 11-12-2011 12:34PM

SlickRic wrote: »

people turning their nose up at Darren Bent?

a proven poacher, and 20-goal a season striker?

i'd take him in a heartbeat. he'd thrive in the way we're playing.

I think he would flourish in this Liverpool side too it's obvious that Bellamy and Kuyt are more wide forwards than out and out strikers

whatawaster · 11-12-2011 01:16PM

In the medium term, Kuyt and Bellamy need to be replaced.

I don't see us buying an established striker, because we have spent over 50m in that position already, and need to spend big money on a CM and a winger.

We saw in the summer how close we were to signing Wickham from Ipswich, and I think that is the kind of signing we will go for.
Bent would be a bad signing given his age and the price he would cost.

Although I think Kuyt has gone a little backwards this season, we still have enough quality up front in Suarez, Carroll, Dirk and Bellamy. This enables us to do what Man United have done so successfully over the last 5 years - buy real quality young players and give them a couple of years to bed into the squad.

I think we're kidding ourselves if we're expecting big money to be spent on a centre-forward. I could be wrong though.

SlickRic · 11-12-2011 01:25PM

i don't think we'll spend big on an established striker either. i was just poking fun at those who wouldn't take Darren Bent at the club right now.

CM will be filled IMO.

and a winger must be bought too.

they have to be the priorities. we're pretty stacked in every other position, bar CF, where the owners have just spent £57m last January. they won't want to spend more there without giving Andy Carroll a longer crack of the whip.

NukaCola · 11-12-2011 01:52PM

SlickRic wrote: »

i don't think we'll spend big on an established striker either. i was just poking fun at those who wouldn't take Darren Bent at the club right now.

CM will be filled IMO.

and a winger must be bought too.

they have to be the priorities. we're pretty stacked in every other position, bar CF, where the owners have just spent £57m last January. they won't want to spend more there without giving Andy Carroll a longer crack of the whip.

As said, the owners didnt pay 50 mil for Suaez and Carroll.....thats was funded by the Torres sale

tommyhaas · 11-12-2011 01:58PM

NukaCola wrote: »

As said, the owners didnt pay 50 mil for Suaez and Carroll.....thats was funded by the Torres sale

They bought the club, of which Torres was an asset. Selling selling Torres was selling their asset, and so the Suarez and Carroll purchases were funded by the sale of their asset

NukaCola · 11-12-2011 02:02PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

They bought the club, of which Torres was an asset. Selling selling Torres was selling their asset, and so the Suarez and Carroll purchases were funded by the sale of their asset

Meh.....i guess

djPSB · 11-12-2011 02:05PM

It was good to get the three points yesterday but we are still a far cry away from where we want to be. We should have by three or four yesterday.

Positives:
- We looked solid defensively, the Agger and Skrtel partnership is working really well. Agger is a top class defender IF he can stay fit.

- We controlled the game well and QPR's midfield was non existent. Adam and Henderson looked very composed in the centre.

- Downing played very well and seems to do most of his best work on the right wing.

- Kuyt and Suarez worked hard up top which didn't give QPR time on the ball.

Negatives
- We were very poor in the first half.

- We need a winger of the ilk of Nani or Mata who provides a constant threat from the wings. We really lack a spark of creativity from the wings.

- We need a finisher. Carroll might do the job if he was giving a decent run of games. Suarez's shooting lets him down alot, and he can be very selfish with ball at times when he should be passing the ball across the goal instead of shooting from ridiculous angles.

- We didn't create enough clear cut chances considering the amount of possession we had.

Two quality wingers, a back up midfielder and maybe a striker needed in January.

Leiva · 11-12-2011 02:14PM

Out of all the years I have been watching the league I can't remember a season were the quality of goal keeping against us has been better.

In some games it has been us against keeper .
Games that spring to mind was against Vorm , de Gea , Hart ,Fulham and yesterday against QPR.

There have been some WC saves pulled off against us .
That along with the amount of times we have hit the woodwork pans out to be a pretty unlucky return in goals seen to date .

I still think someone is gonna be on the receiving end of a hiding from us when our luck changes .

tommyhaas · 11-12-2011 02:25PM

mixednuts wrote: »

Out of all the years I have been watching the league I can't remember a season were the quality of goal keeping against us has been better.

In some games it has been us against keeper .
Games that spring to mind was against Vorm , de Gea , Hart ,Fulham and yesterday against QPR.

There have been some WC saves pulled off against us .
That along with the amount of times we have hit the woodwork pans out to be a pretty unlucky return in goals seen to date .

I still think someone is gonna be on the receiving end of a hiding from us when our luck changes .

There's one common factor in all of the above, and that's poor finishing which I would suggest is of far greater relevance then luck

th3 s1aught3r · 11-12-2011 02:42PM

The case for a new striker is very strong. But we dont just want to buy in haste (ala Carroll) , I would imagine Comoli has been eyeing up some candidates for the past couple of months. I guess its up to him and Kenny to make that case to the owners, if indeed they do want a new CF

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