Do you know people who have never worked a day in their lives?

Lord Trollington · 07-12-2011 10:03am #1

Or have you a story about their unbelievable carry on?

I know plenty of people in my town who has never done a days work in their lives.

Left school at the age of 16/17 and the moment they reached 18 were on the dole and have been on it ever since.

The males live at home and drink their dole at the weekends and the females are like a baby factory living in paid for houses.

What can be done with these people, some are in their 30's?

Will they remain to be a constant drain on society or is it our job to pay for their drifting through life without ever contributing anything.

Sykk · 07-12-2011 10:05am

Yes we all know them. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Rent allowance and dole pays out too much in this country.

AnonoBoy · 07-12-2011 10:07am

I don't consort with riff-raff so no.

i71jskz5xu42pb · 07-12-2011 10:09am

Know them? I voted for them, more fool me.

07-12-2011 10:11am

i dont actually

im sorry

foxyboxer · 07-12-2011 10:12am

Find a job you love and you'll never work a day in your life..

I have this vision in my head that sums up Hell. A typical day would involve rousing at 11am, watch a bit of telly (say loose women or jeremy kyle) with tea and toast, stroll down to the bookies for a couple of hours studying 'the form', place a few €5 bets, head to the pub and have a couple of pints of stout while perusing the Star and the Sun. Head home at 4pm and watch the telly again. Effin and blindin at the news complaining about 'bankers' and the gubberment. Throw me dinner into the microwave and watch the 'match' on me Sky. Snooze until 10 and repeat the following day.

I was told a story during the boom years about some guy who was offered two weeks work holding a "Go/Stop" sign during roadworks. He would have been paid circa 500 to 600 a week for basically standing around all day. He turned down the job. Apparantly it was 'demeaning'.

carfiosaoorl · 07-12-2011 10:13am

I could point out a few in my area who probably have never worked a day in their lives but they are unemployable. Meaning no employer in their right mind would employ them. Do I know any educated employable people who have never worked a day in their lives? No.

orourkeda · 07-12-2011 10:15am

Dey took ur jobs

starbelgrade · 07-12-2011 10:21am

bluewolf wrote: »

i dont actually

im sorry

AnonoBoy wrote: »

I don't consort with riff-raff so no.

One of the many joys of being middle-class.

working fool · 07-12-2011 10:22am

Yeah I know plenty
Bookies . Pub . Solicitors office is there usual haunts .
How people like this avoided work even juring to boom is amazing really .

Vicxas · 07-12-2011 10:25am

I had a friend once who wanted to be 30 and still on the dole, made me sick.

billybudd · 07-12-2011 10:30am

Yes, but further to that and more worrying is that i know people who lost their job and after a few months came to realise that its much better to be on the dole and therefore dont bother looking for jobs.

07-12-2011 10:33am

I'm not sure I know anyone who has never worked but I know someone who left school after her junior cert and worked for about a year.

She became pregnant at 17 and gave up work, she has since had two more children (the second two are irish twins), she gets single parents allowance, rent allowance (she lives in a bloody nice house too), currently quite a few bob children's allowance and she has gotten things like buggies etc from the local welfare officer. She was brought up very well, her mother and father have always worked - up until very recently when her Dad lost his job and had to sign on for the first time in his life - six months later he is back working.

The worst part is, she's entitled to all of it

maryb26 · 07-12-2011 10:38am

A man in our town who never worked was admitted to hospital with chest pain. people had difficulty keeping a straight face when the wife told them that he had to take it easy and avoid stress!!!!!!!!!!

Rabidlamb · 07-12-2011 10:43am

Simple solution like they use in the States.
Your payment decays over time, if you get laid off tomorrow you get 75% of your finishing salary after tax.
This reduces over a period of 104 weeks until your eventually cut off.
Studies say it's amazing the amount of people who will take up the offer of "demeaning" work in week 98.

donalg1 · 07-12-2011 10:44am

Yep I know more than one of them sure doesnt everybody, but there isnt much anyone can do as they are enabled by the Social Welfare system to do this. That's why most people agree that after a certain period of being on Social Welfare you should have it reduced but that wont ever happen as can be seen by the recent budget and the 'cop out' by Government in relation to those Long-Term Social Welfares.

Anyway I wouldnt worry too much about them chances are if they were working they'd be useless at their job anyway so wouldnt last in it, and they are the ones wasting their own lives (not that they realise this mind), so just forget about them and make the most of your life imo.

astonaidan · 07-12-2011 10:44am

"Work" No, Honest days work what I like to refer to as something manual, Yeah loads of ye lazy bastards:p

CardBordWindow · 07-12-2011 10:44am

I currently work with a few lads who have never worked a day in their lives!

Oranage2 · 07-12-2011 10:45am

I'm from a council estate so yeah I'd know a few.

Abi · 07-12-2011 10:48am

Sykk wrote: »

Yes we all know them. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Rent allowance and dole pays out too much in this country.

It's paid out too easily perhaps, and not enough investigating is being done for recipients claiming to be living alone. Often in these cases there is a working cohabiter not accounted for.

The applicant may have been genuinely single at the time, but as time does, it passes. They may have met someone in between, but are now living comfortably with dole, a wage packet, rent allowance, probably other allowances such as fuel or back to school etc, and of course the medical card.

With the country in such dire straits, I don't know how the country can afford to be so lax. Frequent checks would pay off in the end, imo.

Auvers · 07-12-2011 10:51am

Yes lots of them, I come from a small rural town and go down maybe three times a year and all you have to do is pass Paddy Powers and the same wasters and standing in the same spot as you saw them three months ago

carfiosaoorl · 07-12-2011 10:52am

Rabidlamb wrote: »

Simple solution like they use in the States.
Your payment decays over time, if you get laid off tomorrow you get 75% of your finishing salary after tax.
This reduces over a period of 104 weeks until your eventually cut off.
Studies say it's amazing the amount of people who will take up the offer of "demeaning" work in week 98.

Studies also say they have a huge amount of homeless people, with families with children living on the streets

readyletsgo · 07-12-2011 10:54am

Yes, a family member, turning 40 this year, never worked a real day in their life.
Always studying, or doing 'self improvment' course.

TBH this person is tearing the family apart.

Sickens me as I have works (along with the rest of the family) all my life, going through though times etc, and this person seems to swany through life!

BUT, is not on the dole, lives off money they get from another family member who has no balls. Kills us all a little inside each time they get money from this other family memeber, seems there is nothing we can do, as, believe me, we have tried!

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

gurramok · 07-12-2011 10:55am

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not sure I know anyone who has never worked but I know someone who left school after her junior cert and worked for about a year.

She became pregnant at 17 and gave up work, she has since had two more children (the second two are irish twins), she gets single parents allowance, rent allowance (she lives in a bloody nice house too), currently quite a few bob children's allowance and she has gotten things like buggies etc from the local welfare officer. She was brought up very well, her mother and father have always worked - up until very recently when her Dad lost his job and had to sign on for the first time in his life - six months later he is back working.

The worst part is, she's entitled to all of it

Sounds familiar. I know someone on Rent allowance who is on her 5th pregnancy by the same partner who 'officially' does not live with her. He never worked too but is a bit dodgy, they both get a free gaff courtesy of the taxpayer, all legal.

Thanks to the welfare system, she can keep popping out babies as a 'single' mother for many years to come hence avoiding work, she's about 35 now. Last year in another thread on boards, I was labelled a right wing bigot by a looney leftie when I objected to her subsidised lifestyle choice.

Junco Partner · 07-12-2011 10:56am

Yeah I know someone like that, my brother, lazy scrounger, just sits around all day watching telly and surfing the web and playing video games while my mother waits on him hand and foot. lazy git should get up off of his arse and find a job, he's nine already ffs!

07-12-2011 10:58am

gurramok wrote: »

I was labelled a right wing bigot by a looney leftie when I objected to her subsidised lifestyle choice.

And the people who labelled you that probably expect youto have to pay higher taxes to foot the bill for this kind of thing?!

Junco Partner · 07-12-2011 11:00am

God-damn hippies giving us left wingers a bad name. unity through work not unity through tie-dye asshole!

3ndahalfof6 · 07-12-2011 11:00am

We need people like this, to point the finger at and make sweeping comments,

sure its great to slag off people and put them down, it lets you forget your own insecurities (who can we bash today),

I am sure if there was something wrong with what they are doing the government would have put a stop to it by now.

old_aussie · 07-12-2011 11:02am

I know of one guy who has lived in Australia for the last 19 years and has NEVER worked a day in his Aussie life and has bled the Australian tax payers of millions of dollars.

I don't want to get banned so I will refrain from posting a link to youtube about this piece of ****.

readyletsgo · 07-12-2011 11:02am

f0ggy92 wrote: »

Yeah I know someone like that, my brother, lazy scrounger, just sits around all day watching telly and surfing the web and playing video games while my mother waits on him hand and foot. lazy git should get up off of his arse and find a job, he's nine already ffs!

:pac::D

Crazy Horse 6 · 07-12-2011 11:04am

Oh look another anti poor people thread on boards.

Junco Partner · 07-12-2011 11:08am

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

Oh look another anti poor people thread on boards.

All the rich people post on boards cause they have nothing to do with their time after destroying the banks.:pac:

meoklmrk91 · 07-12-2011 11:09am

Two sisters live in my estate, one has four kids and the other has two, they both get rent allowance for their houses which cannot be cheap. The one with four kids lives with her Partner, neither of them has ever worked and all their kids are under six, the one with two lives doesn't live with her partner, ge lives in his own two bed council house. He works and she claims lone parent even though both of her children are with him and one of them was just recently born.

Now if that didnt annoy you enough now we get to the kicker, they don't actually life in the houses that the social welfare I'd paying for, they come on maybe once every two weeks pop into the houses and then leave again, very rarely do they stay the night. They are both living in their parents house, drives me dipping mad as I know people who are having it really tough and would give their right arm to have rent allowance never mind a 4 bed house in a lovely estate.

COYW · 07-12-2011 11:10am

I think we need to pause for a second and remember that these people are victims of society and the middle/upper classes (the wealthy the hard left refer to) in the country are the real dark lords. :rolleyes:

I come from a council estate myself and know countless people around my age who have never worked a day in their life. Most have a leaving certificate of some description and could have a career if they pushed themselves but the dole is just too easy when you live at home. Being a single mother is the career of choice for many.

Wibbs · 07-12-2011 11:11am

Abi wrote: »

Frequent checks would pay off in the end, imo.

Oh they would and no mistake. Problem is these checks are damn near impossible the way the various depts are set up. It goes beyond inefficiency and into utterly daft. Basically they're not linked in any useful way. So a person could be ripping off one section and other sections don't have a clue. Some of the stories I could tell you... Mad. Now apparently Mr Noonan has called for a study into this, but that will take until next April at least. Why? Why does this shíte need that long? Feather the nests of more so called consultants? Meh not too surprising, look how many millions it cost just to have a one ticket system for public transport in Dublin. 55 million. Yea that isn't a typo. http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/1117/integratedticket.html Where the fcuk did all that money go and how does that even get within an asses roar of good value. Do not get me started on the utter farce that was/is the Irish postcode setup. Still not here yet and wouldn't be far off the cost of the above ticketing system. Now while I personally find Ryanair's Michael O'Leary a bit of a knob and cheapskate you can be damn sure their ticketing system with far higher stress on it did not cost anything like 55 million quid. I'm also quite sure he could have done the dublin bus one for a helluva lot less. And get the various government depts talking to cut down on fraud and just sheer bloodyminded waste.

If nothing else surely there exists a middle ground between O'Learism and these crosseyed gobshítes who quite literally couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery? Well they could but would spend a year debating the brewery to use, handwring about the possible liver damage and end up buying in beer from another brewery across the other side of the country.

3ndahalfof6 wrote: »

I am sure if there was something wrong with what they are doing the government would have put a stop to it by now.

Are. You. Extracting. The. Urine?

SteelyDanJalapeno · 07-12-2011 11:17am

THE 99%

Standard Toaster · 07-12-2011 11:17am

Can't say I do honestly

El Weirdo · 07-12-2011 11:21am

Abi wrote: »

It's paid out too easily perhaps, and not enough investigating is being done for recipients claiming to be living alone. Often in these cases there is a working cohabiter not accounted for.

The applicant may have been genuinely single at the time, but as time does, it passes. They may have met someone in between, but are now living comfortably with dole, a wage packet, rent allowance, probably other allowances such as fuel or back to school etc, and of course the medical card.

With the country in such dire straits, I don't know how the country can afford to be so lax. Frequent checks would pay off in the end, imo.

I understand that the CWO in our area seems to be making more of an effort in checking up on lone parents lately.

I hear that there are certainly a few people avoiding answering the door during the day, anyway.

Rabidlamb · 07-12-2011 11:28am

Rabidlamb wrote:

Simple solution like they use in the States.
Your payment decays over time, if you get laid off tomorrow you get 75% of your finishing salary after tax.
This reduces over a period of 104 weeks until your eventually cut off.
Studies say it's amazing the amount of people who will take up the offer of "demeaning" work in week 98.

carfiosaoorl wrote: »

Studies also say they have a huge amount of homeless people, with families with children living on the streets

And ????? . . . . you need to have some threat
The shame of being cut off & turfed out would act as some encouragement.
A soft system will always be abused.

bob the bob · 07-12-2011 11:30am

Dn't know any personally. Everytime I take a day off work though to run a few errands, I'm blown away by the amount of people hanging around doing very little. They can't all have night jobs.

TBH (I hope this doesn't seem snobby or inverted snobby) I don't see how people who never work could be friends with those who work their asses off. They are living in different worlds, whatever could they have in common? Surey they would drive each other mad?

ilovesleep · 07-12-2011 11:31am

Well from my own locality, there are a few who I've never in my whole life seen working or with a job and these people aren't all that old. There are two brothers living together and they are about 60 years old. Theres another chap living on his own and he can't be more than 60. Two women, sisters living together, and they are in their 50s but behave older. All of them, I've never seen working. Having said this I don't know what their finiancial circumstances are. Whether they are living of SW or have other means. I know the single chap has cattle but not all that much. Really can't see him making a living from selling a cow or two. The two women used to own some land and sold some so perhaps they are living of savings and they live simply.

I can safely say that I do not know of this youngsters sponging situation that I read about on boards. Anyone I know unemployed are geniunely unemployed. There's two young single mothers alright but I really cannot see that they went that route for a living and a life of SW. Edit I know of another single mother in her 30s with 4 children from different fathers but that was just pure carelessness on her part.

El Horseboxo · 07-12-2011 11:31am

My mates brother has been on the dole for 2 straight years and has never worked. He had to drop out of college because he couldn't afford it due to not getting a part time job. And I personally know he tried. I even gave him a lift around places with cv's. He still sends them to places every day online. I've helped with his cv and tried to make it have strong points. But he's unskilled with a poor leaving cert. He's done fas courses and still no luck. Only 2 interviews in 2 years from possibly hundreds of applications. Most places don't even acknowledge his application. He'd be labelled a dole merchant but he's far from it. This chap is trying hard to work but has feck all luck. And I'm sure he's not the only one in that situation.

woodoo · 07-12-2011 11:37am

Wibbs wrote: »

Oh they would and no mistake. Problem is these checks are damn near impossible the way the various depts are set up. It goes beyond inefficiency and into utterly daft. Basically they're not linked in any useful way. So a person could be ripping off one section and other sections don't have a clue. Some of the stories I could tell you... Mad. Now apparently Mr Noonan has called for a study into this, but that will take until next April at least?

There is a solution to this if the state is really serious about adressing it. Tough Sentences. Certain jail for those caught. Investigate hard and jail those caught let the media report it widely. After a while the ordinary person will be terrified of getting caught and facing certain jail and will not risk it. As it is there is no real pinishment.

Our overall welfare bill is €21 billion per year and we are bringing in €36 billion in revenue. Is there another country in the western world with that sort of Welfare to Government Revenue ratio?

Lord Trollington · 07-12-2011 11:45am

Crazy Horse 6 wrote: »

Oh look another anti poor people thread on boards.

I've nothing against poor people. I've something against lazy spongers.

Lord Trollington · 07-12-2011 11:52am

El Horseboxo wrote: »

My mates brother has been on the dole for 2 straight years and has never worked. He had to drop out of college because he couldn't afford it due to not getting a part time job. And I personally know he tried. I even gave him a lift around places with cv's. He still sends them to places every day online. I've helped with his cv and tried to make it have strong points. But he's unskilled with a poor leaving cert. He's done fas courses and still no luck. Only 2 interviews in 2 years from possibly hundreds of applications. Most places don't even acknowledge his application. He'd be labelled a dole merchant but he's far from it. This chap is trying hard to work but has feck all luck. And I'm sure he's not the only one in that situation.

There is a huge huge difference in this chap and someone in their 30's who has never worked a day in their lives.

I know of lads who have never done a days work but never want for anything and have been on the dole since 18

07-12-2011 12:08pm

Lord Trollington wrote: »

I've nothing against poor people. I've something against lazy spongers.

Agreed.

I grew up proper poor, no heating, outside toilet with no light, no bath or shower, we used to have to go to my nanny's to have a bath - mam used to have to wait til Dad got home on a thursday with that week's wages so she could go to the shop to buy Thursday night's dinner. We had one holiday when I was young, it was to a mobile home in wexford, and it was paid for by SVP - I'm seriously not taking the piss by the way! and I'm not exactly old either, this is in relatively recent times, I did have shoes on my feet going to school though

Seriously, it's not easy being poor, but you gotta bloody well take some control of your life and help yourself. There's poor and there's lazy, the latter is the problem.

scholar007 · 07-12-2011 12:17pm

COYW wrote: »

IBeing a single mother is the career of choice for many.

So how does it work like? OK fair enough - 1 kid, sure it could happen to a Bishop....oh wait maybe not the best analagy but sure I'll continue on.

So do you get more money and benefits the more kids you have while being a single mother? If so how? Do they automatically kick in after you register the birth of Whitney who is the younger sister of Britney?

Like do ya go to the post office to collect yer money and they say, "congratulations on the birth of Whitney, give us back that book, here is another one with bigger payments" or does it arrive in the post?

Do you have to apply for increased benefits for additional children as a single mother? Is there a form you fill in? If so is there any section on it which says, how have you managed to produce another offspring while already claiming to be a single mother (immaculate conception is not an acceptable answer)?

Like do prolific single mothers have to explain to anyone in officialdom how they manage to keep producing or is it a case of the more they produce the more they get paid - no questions asked?

Sorry for going on....!!!

Lord Trollington · 07-12-2011 12:20pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Agreed.

I grew up proper poor, no heating, outside toilet with no light, no bath or shower, we used to have to go to my nanny's to have a bath - mam used to have to wait til Dad got home on a thursday with that week's wages so she could go to the shop to buy Thursday night's dinner. We had one holiday when I was young, it was to a mobile home in wexford, and it was paid for by SVP - I'm seriously not taking the piss by the way! and I'm not exactly old either, this is in relatively recent times, I did have shoes on my feet going to school though

Seriously, it's not easy being poor, but you gotta bloody well take some control of your life and help yourself. There's poor and there's lazy, the latter is the problem.

Use to have a bath in the kitchen sink until i was 15/16. I think that is why i now have back problems.

Lord Trollington · 07-12-2011 12:23pm

scholar007 wrote: »

So how does it work like? OK fair enough - 1 kid, sure it could happen to a Bishop....oh wait maybe not the best analagy but sure I'll continue on.

So do you get more money and benefits the more kids you have while being a single mother? If so how? Do they automatically kick in after you register the birth of Whitney who is the younger sister of Britney?

Like do ya go to the post office to collect yer money and they say, "congratulations on the birth of Whitney, give us back that book, here is another one with bigger payments" or does it arrive in the post?

Do you have to apply for increased benefits for additional children as a single mother? Is there a form you fill in? If so is there any section on it which says, how have you managed to produce another offspring while already claiming to be a single mother (immaculate conception is not an acceptable answer)?

Like do prolific single mothers have to explain to anyone in officialdom how they manage to keep producing or is it a case of the more they produce the more they get paid - no questions asked?

Sorry for going on....!!!

There are girls I know that seem to be so fertile that I'd be afraid to have a fap in my room down the road from them.

They are like baby machines and no one asks question or bats and eyelid. These same kids are destined to grow up like her with nothing to offer to society. You can see it from an early age, being out on the road playing when your 2 years of age usually is not a good sign.

Its a vicious circle really.

Schism · 07-12-2011 12:46pm

Abi wrote: »

It's paid out too easily perhaps, and not enough investigating is being done for recipients claiming to be living alone. Often in these cases there is a working cohabiter not accounted for.

The applicant may have been genuinely single at the time, but as time does, it passes. They may have met someone in between, but are now living comfortably with dole, a wage packet, rent allowance, probably other allowances such as fuel or back to school etc, and of course the medical card.

With the country in such dire straits, I don't know how the country can afford to be so lax. Frequent checks would pay off in the end, imo.

I agree, the system seems to be very easily circumvented. More checks, less cheques!

El Weirdo · 07-12-2011 12:56pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I grew up proper poor, no heating, outside toilet with no light, no bath or shower, we used to have to go to my nanny's to have a bath - mam used to have to wait til Dad got home on a thursday with that week's wages so she could go to the shop to buy Thursday night's dinner. We had one holiday when I was young, it was to a mobile home in wexford, and it was paid for by SVP - I'm seriously not taking the piss by the way! and I'm not exactly old either, this is in relatively recent times, I did have shoes on my feet going to school though

Lord Trollington wrote: »

Use to have a bath in the kitchen sink until i was 15/16. I think that is why i now have back problems.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe1a1wHxTyo

Do you know people who have never worked a day in their lives?

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