UL library extension

1huge1 · 19-11-2011 04:19PM #1

This skipped right past me during the week, in case anyone else missed it as well.

The UL library extension will now not be happening.

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/funding_withdrawn_for_libraries_at_limerick_colleges_1_3262231

FUNDING for the construction of state-of-the art libraries at Limerick Institute of Technology and the University of Limerick has been withdrawn following the Government’s decision not include the projects in its Infrastructure and Capital Investment programme.

Both libraries, which would have each cost several million euro to build, were due to open in 2013.

The works at the University of Limerick would have seen the construction of a major extension to the existing Glucksman Library.

The proposed library at LIT would have seen the construction of a three-story 4,600-square metre complex at a site to the south-east of the Moylish Campus.

Dr Maria Hinfelaar, president of LIT, said she is disappointed with the Government decision.

“It is a major blow for LIT that this new state of the art library and information resource centre will not now be built, which was badly needed. We will need to rethink our campus masterplan over the coming months to review how we can best deliver our ambitions and objectives and provide such services to learners.”

CiaranMT · 19-11-2011 04:44PM

Not surprised. A bigger blow to LIT though I reckon.

millold · 19-11-2011 09:21PM

Both these projects were design,build,maintain and finance.Some builders went to huge expense for a project now shelved,court case i'd say.

Red Silurian · 20-11-2011 11:07PM

CiaranMT wrote: »

Not surprised. A bigger blow to LIT though I reckon.

Definitely... The library out there is tiny!

constantg · 30-11-2011 11:06AM

1huge1 wrote: »

This skipped right past me during the week, in case anyone else missed it as well.

The UL library extension will now not be happening.

http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/funding_withdrawn_for_libraries_at_limerick_colleges_1_3262231

UL could free up some space by moving the computers out of the ground floor and installing lots of moveable shelving.

Perhaps there should be a separate lib building for medical/technical subjects similar to TCD? Although their system is immense......going to some of the places you'd feel like you were playing a FPS game, all the narrow tunnels and winding dark staircases!!!

Sid_Justice · 05-12-2011 08:57PM

Despite the library extension being scrapped for the foreseeable future we can rest assured that the new sports pavilion will be completed ahead of schedule providing a high level surface to professional rugby players.

Someone needs to look at how these things are funded when a building that basically provides changing rooms for rugby players gets completed ahead of schedule but something that actually affects every single student in the college gets delayed indefinitely.

What has the SU do on this topic thus far?

freyners · 05-12-2011 11:29PM

Sid_Justice wrote: »

Despite the library extension being scrapped for the foreseeable future we can rest assured that the new sports pavilion will be completed ahead of schedule providing a high level surface to professional rugby players.

Someone needs to look at how these things are funded when a building that basically provides changing rooms for rugby players gets completed ahead of schedule but something that actually affects every single student in the college gets delayed indefinitely.

What has the SU do on this topic thus far?

this the north campus pitchs area your referring to or the bowl

Sid_Justice · 06-12-2011 12:34AM

The pavilion building and its immediately associated facilities

freyners · 06-12-2011 01:11AM

k, couple of points on that,
the pavilion and pitches are not just for professional rugby players (theres GAA and soccer pitches two;), there available for certain clubs and socs (not all that need it yet though:mad:)too which is a real bonus for students considering the state of maguires every winter, which has been an issue for time immemorial.

also
Funding was secured for the North campus project and was given the go ahead when there was still backing for the library extension by the government, the north campus development started in 2010, the library was still being backed in feb 2011, so it wasnt a case of having to choose between the two.
also the revenue stream from the north campus will dry up if changing rooms arent added, no one will use them for long if they keep having to change in the boot of a car/ having to walk from the arena dressing rooms before and after

Sid_Justice · 06-12-2011 02:51AM

How can funding for a library dissolve away but funding for some football pitches stay constant.

UL doesn't need any more rugby or football pitches. It's not a sports club we're attending it's supposed to be a university.

Right now the library cannot accommodate the student population neither the SU nor the University seem to have acknowledged this or done anything about it.

Library extension gets cancelled but we can all go out and play hurling on an all weather pitch under flood lights.

College really has its priorities all wrong

mayo_lad · 06-12-2011 11:07AM

Sid_Justice wrote: »

How can funding for a library dissolve away but funding for some football pitches stay constant.

UL doesn't need any more rugby or football pitches. It's not a sports club we're attending it's supposed to be a university.

Right now the library cannot accommodate the student population neither the SU nor the University seem to have acknowledged this or done anything about it.

Library extension gets cancelled but we can all go out and play hurling on an all weather pitch under flood lights.

College really has its priorities all wrong

You could say that but the college's budget is being cut at the moment and those pitches will provide an income once the pavilion is built . Also have you seen the state of Maguire's you can't train on it for half the year it's that bad, all the clubs have been crying out for those facility's for year's .

yes the loss of the library extension is not a good thing but as the sport's pitches were half completed it make's more sense to complete them rather than have 2 half completed projects .

as an aside what is the cost of the sport's pavilion compared to the library extension if it dose not meet the cost of the library extension you argument make's no sense

DaveR1 · 06-12-2011 11:36AM

Sid_Justice wrote: »

How can funding for a library dissolve away but funding for some football pitches stay constant.

UL doesn't need any more rugby or football pitches. It's not a sports club we're attending it's supposed to be a university.

This is where you are wrong!!!!
Having North Campus pitches will attract MORE students to UL than a new library ever could.

Eire-Dearg · 06-12-2011 11:41AM

DaveR1 wrote: »

This is where you are wrong!!!!
Having North Campus pitches will attract MORE students to UL than a new library ever could.

But where will we all sit?

Jagle · 06-12-2011 11:50AM

stop being childish all of ye.

the library got updated there only last week, we replaced the 42 inch tvs with 50inch full hd 3D ready sony bravias

now they can display such wondering images like welcome to the library and no tea/coffee...

someone really needs to look at where this money is being wasted:rolleyes:

J_E · 06-12-2011 12:46PM

mayo_lad wrote: »

You could say that but the college's budget is being cut at the moment and those pitches will provide an income once the pavilion is built . Also have you seen the state of Maguire's you can't train on it for half the year it's that bad, all the clubs have been crying out for those facility's for year's .

yes the loss of the library extension is not a good thing but as the sport's pitches were half completed it make's more sense to complete them rather than have 2 half completed projects .

as an aside what is the cost of the sport's pavilion compared to the library extension if it dose not meet the cost of the library extension you argument make's no sense

It's only logical to prioritise academic over sporting facilities.

mayo_lad · 06-12-2011 01:27PM

Cydoniac wrote: »

It's only logical to prioritise academic over sporting facilities.

yes but since the money to develop those sporting facilities comes from the arena and not the unaversity the 2 developments are seperate. the arena actualy controls the new pitches and it was financed by that comapny not the unaversity , so the money that is been spent on the pitches and pavilion could never be spent on the library ,

http://www.universityarena.com/outdoor.html

http://www.ul.ie/news-centre/news/largest-all-weather-sports-complex-in-europe-completed-at-ul1 shows that the pitches are been financed from an number of sorces including the arena

Sid_Justice · 06-12-2011 07:05PM

DaveR1 wrote: »

This is where you are wrong!!!!
Having North Campus pitches will attract MORE students to UL than a new library ever could.

Are these really the type of students we want to attract?

People that pick UL over other universities because it has better pitches to play games on. Really a sad state of affairs. The main building and the library need to me knocked down and rebuilt in my opinion.

Jester252 · 06-12-2011 07:17PM

Sid_Justice wrote: »

Are these really the type of students we want to attract?

People that pick UL over other universities because it has better pitches to play games on. Really a sad state of affairs. The main building and the library need to me knocked down and rebuilt in my opinion.

There is nothing wrong with the main building.

Sid_Justice · 06-12-2011 07:23PM

Compare the lecture halls in the main building to the KBS.
Compare the insulation.
Compare the lighting.

You obviously don't spend very much time in either or have no appreciation for architecture, both practical and aesthetic.

The main building really shows its age. It's either a mixture of very cold or very warm and there is not acoustic insulation. Very poor all-round.

CiaranMT · 06-12-2011 07:32PM

mayo_lad wrote: »

yes but since the money to develop those sporting facilities comes from the arena and not the unaversity the 2 developments are seperate. the arena actualy controls the new pitches and it was financed by that comapny not the unaversity , so the money that is been spent on the pitches and pavilion could never be spent on the library ,

http://www.universityarena.com/outdoor.html

http://www.ul.ie/news-centre/news/largest-all-weather-sports-complex-in-europe-completed-at-ul1 shows that the pitches are been financed from an number of sorces including the arena

This is basically why, Sid.

Similar to the issue over the President's house last year. Uproar over the cost, those up in arms didn't cop that it was privately funded.

Sid_Justice · 06-12-2011 07:39PM

What's important is someone was able to go and get funding (confirmed) for a glorified dressing room with some pitches while the UL President wasn't able to get funding for a Library extension which is badly needed.

I don't care if the money comes from the lotto, the tax payer, the transatlantic trust, Bob Geldof or the Queen of England.

Someone got the job done on a football pitch but not on the library.

CiaranMT · 06-12-2011 07:41PM

Sid_Justice wrote: »

What's important is someone was able to go and get funding (confirmed) for a glorified dressing room with some pitches while the UL President wasn't able to get funding for a Library extension which is badly needed.

I don't care if the money comes from the lotto, the tax payer, the transatlantic trust, Bob Geldof or the Queen of England.

Someone got the job done on a football pitch but not on the library.

Are you deliberately ignoring what Mayo_Lad just said?

Sid_Justice · 06-12-2011 07:45PM

No not at all. To get some football pitches built the university basically tarted itself out and sold the contract to a private company who will make huge profit on it. It's over a 100 euro for a game of football.

It's very similar to the Government selling contracts to the road developers to build roads and then allowing them to put in tolls which make billions. It's very similar to the government selling the rights to the oil and natural gas reserves off our coasts to private developers because the government is too lazy to do it itself, losing billions in profits.

The football pitches will make some quasi-entrepreneurial developer a tidy sum over the next 10 years while students will sit back like mugs paying 100 euro for a game of football studying for exams red raisins.

CiaranMT · 06-12-2011 08:04PM

Sid_Justice wrote: »

No not at all. To get some football pitches built the university basically tarted itself out and sold the contract to a private company who will make huge profit on it. It's over a 100 euro for a game of football.

It's very similar to the Government selling contracts to the road developers to build roads and then allowing them to put in tolls which make billions. It's very similar to the government selling the rights to the oil and natural gas reserves off our coasts to private developers because the government is too lazy to do it itself, losing billions in profits.

The football pitches will make some quasi-entrepreneurial developer a tidy sum over the next 10 years while students will sit back like mugs paying 100 euro for a game of football studying for exams red raisins.

Ummm..

Paid €2 for a game of 11-a-side there, ergo the cost was €40 if the lads over it were taking a bit of profit for their time organising, or €50 if they were covering it themselves.

Where's the €100 figure coming from?

If UL were financing the Arena and associated facilities, there's a lot more than the extension that wouldn't be built. Think of the Tierney Building, the North Campus expansion all going on currently, along with the revamp of Kilmurry and Plassey Villages over the last 6 months.

They can't get everything they want, not with the way the economy's tanked.

Sid_Justice · 06-12-2011 08:07PM

Excuse me, after 5pm on a week day it's 50 euro for half a pitch and 150 euro for full pitch under flood lights on new astro pitches.

Jester252 · 06-12-2011 08:12PM

Sid_Justice wrote: »

Compare the lecture halls in the main building to the KBS.
Compare the insulation.
Compare the lighting.

You obviously don't spend very much time in either or have no appreciation for architecture, both practical and aesthetic.

The main building really shows its age. It's either a mixture of very cold or very warm and there is not acoustic insulation. Very poor all-round.

So it looks outdated no need to tear it down.
First of all why not build a new building to have class in oh wait that happening now (Music building, Medical building, Heath Science and the new one near the foundation)
Second of all
When will all the labs, lectures, tutorials, research projects,whole departments, services and so on go when the old building is torn down and the new one being built.
P.S as a person in the Irish education system I know that prefabs are even colder
I know what the main building is like I have been in it for the past 23 weeks
straight

No not at all. To get some football pitches built the university basically tarted itself out and sold the contract to a private company who will make huge profit on it. It's over a 100 euro for a game of football.

It's very similar to the Government selling contracts to the road developers to build roads and then allowing them to put in tolls which make billions. It's very similar to the government selling the rights to the oil and natural gas reserves off our coasts to private developers because the government is too lazy to do it itself, losing billions in profits.

The football pitches will make some quasi-entrepreneurial developer a tidy sum over the next 10 years while students will sit back like mugs paying 100 euro for a game of football studying for exams red raisins.

Would you liked to be charged every time you go to the library?
Also might I suggest using your room to study if you don't like Red Raisins

constantg · 06-12-2011 08:18PM

Cydoniac wrote: »

It's only logical to prioritise academic over sporting facilities.

Logical yes, but you forget, this is a university......

constantg · 06-12-2011 08:21PM

Jester252 wrote: »

I know what the main building is like I have been in it for the past 23 weeks
straight

THAT's one LONG Lab!

Does anyone know if the uni are looking into getting grants to help part cover the cost of replacing the single glazing in the Main Block with something that might keep the heat in???

CiaranMT · 06-12-2011 08:25PM

Sid_Justice wrote: »

Excuse me, after 5pm on a week day it's 50 euro for half a pitch and 150 euro for full pitch under flood lights on new astro pitches.

That seems a reasonable enough rate.

For one, the lights won't be cheap to run.

But mainly because of the pitch, which btw is actually fantastic. It's like playing on the real thing without all the mud and shít. Those paying €150 will likely be clubs training and not lads looking for a kickabout.

I can't imagine they'd be too far off the going rates at Seanchoill or Delta either.

mayo_lad · 06-12-2011 08:41PM

constantg wrote: »

THAT's one LONG Lab!

Does anyone know if the uni are looking into getting grants to help part cover the cost of replacing the single glazing in the Main Block with something that might keep the heat in???

there are coninual inprovments been made to the main building and new buildings to inprove there energy efficencys inclosed is a presintation given to my class by the Energy Manager in ul who is responable for these inprovments

cson · 07-12-2011 03:07AM

The astro v library argument is a bit of a non-event to be honest, it's a commercial reality of funding sports facilities in education - you'll see most post primary schools have them now. School provides the land, Astroturf company builds it; school gets the use of it for free. Makes complete commercial sense.

You all have it good when it comes to opening hours with the library too; the hours in DCU were a bit of a shock to the system coming from here.

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