Racism - Mod Note on 1st Post - Read before posting.

Blatter wrote: »

Yes Niallo I know you're biased. Where did I get the word Negro from? It's been suggested that it's the word in question in some newspaper articles. I will quote then when I get home. The word negrito has been suggested by most of the media. That is why I used both.

Why do I keep repeating it? Because I'm honestly trying to keep things crystal clear for you so you don't get lost or confused, again.



Newspaper articles, I will quote them when I get home. I haven't gone near redcafe or the likes yet.


I never said that.

I said I felt UEFA charged Busquets, (even though they knew the lack of evidence available would almost certainly lead to a not guilty verdict) to show they take racist allegations very seriously.

And it's possible the FA are going down a similar line. The cases are obviously different so it's impossible to tell, but I was just putting it out there as a possibility.

MagicMarker wrote: »

How is Evra a hot head? Does he have a history of going 'mental' during games or something?

Fuhrer wrote: »

Yeah, he seems like the kind of unhinged low life that when wound up would take a bite out of some one.... oh wait!

daithijjj wrote: »

Dont get me wrong, im with you in overall sentiment but im not sure i am with you on the interpretation. It isnt uncommon for 'negrito'/'negrita', to be used en efectos, as nicknames for friends, family or simply for people you actually like.

What is 'good' for us in this part of the world is not necessarily the same in other parts of the world. A term can be regarded as pejorative in some social groups but not in others. It can even be frowned upon in sections of the same communities but not in other sections, it isnt that *tries to think of something to use other than black or white* simple. If culture has played any part in this i wouldnt be surprised, a degree of naivety perhaps, but contextually, i have a hard time thinking there was background to this of 'absolute' racism.

Now, i dont think im going to walk down a highstreet anytime soon pointing at 'negritos' but in another part of the world ........





Now, its not often topics come up in this forum that lead me to do my own bit of reading up on the subject but this was one. I didnt have a clue surrounding what these colloquialisms mean/refer to in Spanish.

I think some folk would be better off thinking, reading, and then talking about the topic. I have read interesting discussions (some completely unrelated to football) in my search and at the very least i feel a little better equipped to talk about it rationally, i dont think there is alot of that going on in this thread regarding the Suarez/Evra situation.

Ive read people saying that the term can be offensive, conversely ive read comments from people who regard themselves as black (and routinely called negrito in Latin America) and even call their own spouses/children those terms in affectionate situations. They also converse with their close 'white' friends and embrace the use of it as a non offensive term.

So in summation, i wouldnt jump in and say what Suarez said was racist, there are occasions where its not that simple and involves more complex issues. Its not quite as obvious for me as what John Terry can be seen to be saying in that video.

Fuhrer wrote: »

Just part of their programming


Evra is a hot head, Evra is an asshole, Evra is always making false racism allegations


They lie and lie enough, sooner or later they believe their own stupidity themselves.

Wouldnt be surprised if Mr. Alan was on later on saying how its Evras fault Suarez repeatedly called him a little negro because he was born black.

Des wrote: »

No, but it's a little subtle character assassination that Liverpool fans are engaging in, in an effort to discredit Evra.

Pro. F wrote: »

The very important point is that this wasn't a conversation with somebody that Suarez is close to. It was an argument with a guy in a football match of fierce rivalry.

Whether the use of the word 'negrito' as an address for people you are close to is a good thing is debatable anyway. Have a read of this article:

www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=106681043
It covers a lot of the different lines of argument about the word thoroughly.

The use of the word has already been enough to cause an international incident between the USA and Honduras btw.

The fact that the word may be culturally acceptable in Uruguay is only relevant as a mitigating factor. Suarez was in England at the time, the onus is on him to abide by the social codes there, not the ones from home.

Another important point raised by the expert in that article is the fact that racism isn't even acknowledged as an issue in a lot of latin america. So the fact that this language might be acceptable there certainly doesn't mean that it is not racist. They have no discussion about what is and isn't racist.

Those pictures are actually the perfect example. The branding of those pastries is very similar (although not as bad) to the branding that used to be on golly bars here years ago. It looks like just the standard insensitive cultural reference to black people in a stereotypical way, with a preoccupation on skin colour. Again, the fact that it might be acceptable in latin america (or Spain) certainly doesn't mean it is not racist or racially insensitive.

It's interesting what you say about some black latins embracing negrito as a non-offensive term, I hadn't found that when reading up. The thing is though, it is clearly still a sensitive issue. I would say it's pretty obvious that in the middle of an argument with a black guy during a football derby is not the time for Suarez to try to enact his embracing of a racially sensitive term.

Kess73 wrote: »

To be fair Des, there have been posters who support clubs other than Liverpool making comments in this thread and in the LFC superthread about how Suarez has a poor track record, and have been throwing out the biting at Ajax, the handball at the world cup etc as proof of Suarez being a bad type, and even claiming that things like the biting and handball somehow make Suarez more guilty of making a racist comment or comments.

So there are plenty of people doing their best to tarnish the character of each player, some are subtle, some are less so.

PHB wrote: »

****** would generally be viewed as a racist term, however it's acceptable for black people to say it to other black people.

niallo27 wrote: »

Why are all the Mancs in here repeatly using the word Negro

niallo27 wrote: »

Making anyone abide by the social codes of the country they live in is surely a form of racism in itself.

amiable wrote: »

My mistake, It was Diarra had a run in with a few Irish players at the final whistle.

That's why i put the question mark in my original post as i wasn't sure to be honest.

Evra did make remarks about Ireland and xbox or playstation i do believe?
Maybe that's why i got confused:)