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Leiva · 16-11-2011 10:31PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Yes but people on here seem to think he couldn't have called him little friend because they were fighting and they are not friends.

i have wound up people who i knew were agitated by saying ..

"You aright mate what's wrong"

all harmless but can you see how so called niceties can be used as a wind up ?

16-11-2011 10:31PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

Ok, heres a situation.

Ashley Young and Rio Ferdidnad are talking before my match, one of them calls the other "my nigga"

Following your logic its perfectly fine for anyone, lets say for arguments sake, Jamie Carragher to walk up and say "Good morning ****"

I know it's a serious subject, but I lol'd at imagining Carra doing that :pac:

niallo27 · 16-11-2011 10:31PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

No, what he said was little negro, not little friend.

Is that official though that he said Negro or just journo talk.

curry-muff · 16-11-2011 10:32PM

eldwaro wrote: »

because its just casually used. I dont really understand why there has to be a correlation to race as we all know whats being debated.

ie. mate is said and noone is offended, hence the plausibility of Suarez calling him what 'his team mates call him'.

i understand there is bias everywhere in this, but im just saying my piece.

He allegedly called him little negro, not little friend, you must have missed that part.

If he called him little friend, then the comparison to an Australian calling someone mate would be valid.

But he didn't, he called him little negro, which is more closely related to the term "Sup Nigga", you following?

Blatter · 16-11-2011 10:32PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

Eh, no Mr Alan. Included means contained within, not in addition.

That's the way I initially read it too.

The BBC and every other media outlet I've read are all saying he's been charged with racist abuse and say nothing about personal abuse being a separate charge.

Will I Amnt · 16-11-2011 10:33PM

niallo27 wrote: »

killwill wrote: »

Obviously???

Yes but people on here seem to think he couldn't have called him little friend because they were fighting and they are not friends.

Right so why didn't he just say amigo and save all the confusion??
Why use a word that could be taken as a racial insult??

Handsome Bob · 16-11-2011 10:33PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

Disasters are terribly interesting to watch unfold.

As I said, for Liverpool fans.

16-11-2011 10:34PM

Be interesting to see if the England captain will be charged :cool:

Fuhrer · 16-11-2011 10:34PM

Blatter wrote: »

That's the way I initially read it too.

The BBC and every other media outlet I've read are all saying he's been charged with racist abuse and say nothing about personal abuse being a separate charge.

Yeah, I really dont understand where the confusion is coming from, it seems obvious to me that he was charged with abusing Evra with racist terms.

El Inho · 16-11-2011 10:34PM

curry-muff wrote: »

He allegedly called him little negro, not little friend, you must have missed that part.

If he called him little friend, then the comparison to an Australian calling someone mate would be valid.

But he didn't, he called him little negro, which is more closely related to the term "Sup Nigga", you following?

did he say little negro (english) or negrito (spanish)

Fuhrer · 16-11-2011 10:35PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Is that official though that he said Negro or just journo talk.

No, just journalists guessing.

Cantona's Collars · 16-11-2011 10:38PM

From another forum-Ryan Babel tweeting #freesuarez

Not on twitter myself but by all accounts it's embarrassing to say the least.

niallo27 · 16-11-2011 10:49PM

I just can't stop laughing at the thought of carragher walking up to the black England boys and saying "what's up ****"

Blatter · 16-11-2011 10:50PM

niallo27 wrote: »

I just can't stop laughing at the thought of carragher walking up to the black England boys and saying "what's up ****"

I'd say it's great to be easily amused.

Ordinary man · 16-11-2011 10:55PM

Video evidence has been released;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyXuP48LDOE

K-9 · 16-11-2011 11:01PM

zerks wrote: »

You should have a look on RAWK-It's all just a conspiracy by United who bribe the FA and refs:rolleyes::eek::eek:

Ah sure we might as well get our fun out of it, remember that Chelsea and FA conspiracy last year against United?

The personal abuse charge is stupid though especially if that's the only charge that sticks.

niallo27 · 16-11-2011 11:01PM

Blatter wrote: »

I'd say it's great to be easily amused.

Yes it is, you should try it, it's only a joke.

Fuhrer · 16-11-2011 11:03PM

K-9 wrote: »

The personal abuse charge is stupid though especially if that's the only charge that sticks.

Jesus Christ, how many ****ing times? The personal abuse charge is the racism.

Mother of god.

jaykay74 · 16-11-2011 11:05PM

How do people read the text below and claim there are 2 seperate charges. Baffling

The FA has today charged Liverpool’s Luis Suarez following an incident that occurred during the Liverpool versus Manchester United fixture at Anfield on 15 October 2011.

It is alleged that Suarez used abusive and/or insulting words and/or behaviour towards Manchester United’s Patrice Evra contrary to FA rules.

It is further alleged that this included a reference to the ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race of Patrice Evra.

The FA will issue no further comment at this time.

J. Marston · 16-11-2011 11:05PM

rarnes1 wrote: »

Be interesting to see if the England captain will be charged :cool:

I'd give it time at least. The Suarez/Evra incident occured what, 2 weeks, before the Terry/Ferdinand stuff?

Maybe the FA have that case on the racism backlog.

flahavaj · 16-11-2011 11:06PM

Sh*t just got real for Mister Suarez and his increasingly less vociferous suporters.

Cantona's Collars · 16-11-2011 11:06PM

niallo27 wrote: »

Yes it is, you should try it, it's only a joke.

I thought it was funny too,while reading it the whole thing came out in a scouse accent.
Carragher would never get a part in a remake of Boyz 'N' Da Hood.:D

amiable · 16-11-2011 11:06PM

J. Marston wrote: »

I'd give it time at least. The Suarez/Evra incident occured what, 2 weeks, before the Terry/Ferdinand stuff?

Maybe the FA have that case on the racism backlog.

No the FA have stated that they will not comment on the Terry case until the Police investigation is complete

amiable · 16-11-2011 11:08PM

flahavaj wrote: »

Sh*t just got real for Mister Suarez and his increasingly less vociferous suporters.

Not true. Still 100% behind him.

Innocent until proven guilty

K-9 · 16-11-2011 11:08PM

#15 wrote: »

But it's not accepted between people who are not acquaintances.

That's the whole point.

If 'negrito' was the word used, then the absolute best case scenario for Suarez is that he was not racially abusive, but merely culturally ignorant.

If that is the case in Uruguay then yes. Do you know it is? I'm not up on Uruguayan culture. Not being smart, just saying only really somebody familiar with the word and its context can say that.

And even that is being generous, because he has lived in northern Europe for 5 years and in England for 9 months and he is hardly stupid enough to have not picked up cultural taboos in that time.

If it wasn't 'negrito' that was said, then fair enough, disregard the above.

Negrito seems to be the word. I haven't heard nigg*r as the word anywhere in the press.

As for him being more aware, maybe. Whether it's enough to get a conviction is another thing because the FA will have to take him at his word.

jaykay74 · 16-11-2011 11:11PM

K-9 wrote: »

If that is the case in Uruguay then yes. Do you know it is? I'm not up on Uruguayan culture. Not being smart, just saying only really somebody familiar with the word and its context can say that.

Maybe Liverpools black players can clarify if Suarez calls them negrito generally. I presume he does if thats his culture. Would be odd if this was a standalone use of the term.

flahavaj · 16-11-2011 11:12PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

Jesus Christ, how many ****ing times? The personal abuse charge is the racism.

Mother of god.

The continued wriggling over technicalities from the usual suspects is pathetic and hilarious in equal measure. The state of some people in this thread right from the very start.

eigrod · 16-11-2011 11:13PM

jaykay74 wrote: »

How do people read the text below and claim there are 2 seperate charges. Baffling

It's impossible to tell how many charges there are from that statement. The persistent use of "and/or" suggests to me that they haven't a clue what to charge him with so they are trying to cast their net as widely as they can in the hope that they'll find something to pin him with.

And wtf are they on about when they say "behaviour" ? Surely if it was behaviour, it would have been visible (as opposed to the spoken word) and dealt with by the referee and included in his report ?

Very strange statement by the FA and good lawyers should be all over this.

niallo27 · 16-11-2011 11:13PM

flahavaj wrote: »

Sh*t just got real for Mister Suarez and his increasingly less vociferous suporters.

I'm still 100% behind him, I doubt he is too bothered, not much chance of these charges sticking.

16-11-2011 11:13PM

flahavaj wrote: »

Sh*t just got real for Mister Suarez and his increasingly less vociferous suporters.

In fairness, guilty or not he'll still have his supporters.

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