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Racism - Mod Note on 1st Post - Read before posting.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,117 Leiva
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    niallo27 wrote: »
    Yes but people on here seem to think he couldn't have called him little friend because they were fighting and they are not friends.


    i have wound up people who i knew were agitated by saying ..

    "You aright mate what's wrong"

    all harmless but can you see how so called niceties can be used as a wind up ?


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    Fuhrer wrote: »
    Ok, heres a situation.


    Ashley Young and Rio Ferdidnad are talking before my match, one of them calls the other "my nigga"

    Following your logic its perfectly fine for anyone, lets say for arguments sake, Jamie Carragher to walk up and say "Good morning ****"

    I know it's a serious subject, but I lol'd at imagining Carra doing that :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 niallo27
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    Fuhrer wrote: »
    No, what he said was little negro, not little friend.

    Is that official though that he said Negro or just journo talk.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,418 curry-muff
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    eldwaro wrote: »
    because its just casually used. I dont really understand why there has to be a correlation to race as we all know whats being debated.

    ie. mate is said and noone is offended, hence the plausibility of Suarez calling him what 'his team mates call him'.

    i understand there is bias everywhere in this, but im just saying my piece.

    He allegedly called him little negro, not little friend, you must have missed that part.

    If he called him little friend, then the comparison to an Australian calling someone mate would be valid.

    But he didn't, he called him little negro, which is more closely related to the term "Sup Nigga", you following?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 Blatter
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    Fuhrer wrote: »
    Eh, no Mr Alan. Included means contained within, not in addition.

    That's the way I initially read it too.

    The BBC and every other media outlet I've read are all saying he's been charged with racist abuse and say nothing about personal abuse being a separate charge.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,222 Will I Amnt
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    niallo27 wrote: »
    killwill wrote: »
    Obviously???

    Yes but people on here seem to think he couldn't have called him little friend because they were fighting and they are not friends.
    Right so why didn't he just say amigo and save all the confusion??
    Why use a word that could be taken as a racial insult??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,905 Handsome Bob
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    Fuhrer wrote: »
    Disasters are terribly interesting to watch unfold.

    As I said, for Liverpool fans.


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    Be interesting to see if the England captain will be charged :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 Fuhrer
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    Blatter wrote: »
    That's the way I initially read it too.

    The BBC and every other media outlet I've read are all saying he's been charged with racist abuse and say nothing about personal abuse being a separate charge.


    Yeah, I really dont understand where the confusion is coming from, it seems obvious to me that he was charged with abusing Evra with racist terms.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,655 El Inho
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    curry-muff wrote: »
    He allegedly called him little negro, not little friend, you must have missed that part.

    If he called him little friend, then the comparison to an Australian calling someone mate would be valid.

    But he didn't, he called him little negro, which is more closely related to the term "Sup Nigga", you following?

    did he say little negro (english) or negrito (spanish)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 Fuhrer
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    niallo27 wrote: »
    Is that official though that he said Negro or just journo talk.


    No, just journalists guessing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 Cantona's Collars
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    From another forum-Ryan Babel tweeting #freesuarez

    Not on twitter myself but by all accounts it's embarrassing to say the least.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 niallo27
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    I just can't stop laughing at the thought of carragher walking up to the black England boys and saying "what's up ****"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 Blatter
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    niallo27 wrote: »
    I just can't stop laughing at the thought of carragher walking up to the black England boys and saying "what's up ****"

    I'd say it's great to be easily amused.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,490 Ordinary man
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    Video evidence has been released;)





    :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 K-9
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    zerks wrote: »
    You should have a look on RAWK-It's all just a conspiracy by United who bribe the FA and refs:rolleyes::eek::eek:

    Ah sure we might as well get our fun out of it, remember that Chelsea and FA conspiracy last year against United? :D

    The personal abuse charge is stupid though especially if that's the only charge that sticks.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 niallo27
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    Blatter wrote: »
    I'd say it's great to be easily amused.

    Yes it is, you should try it, it's only a joke.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,661 Fuhrer
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    K-9 wrote: »

    The personal abuse charge is stupid though especially if that's the only charge that sticks.



    Jesus Christ, how many ****ing times? The personal abuse charge is the racism.


    Mother of god.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,608 jaykay74
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    How do people read the text below and claim there are 2 seperate charges. Baffling :confused:
    The FA has today charged Liverpool’s Luis Suarez following an incident that occurred during the Liverpool versus Manchester United fixture at Anfield on 15 October 2011.

    It is alleged that Suarez used abusive and/or insulting words and/or behaviour towards Manchester United’s Patrice Evra contrary to FA rules.

    It is further alleged that this included a reference to the ethnic origin and/or colour and/or race of Patrice Evra.

    The FA will issue no further comment at this time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,364 J. Marston
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    rarnes1 wrote: »
    Be interesting to see if the England captain will be charged :cool:

    I'd give it time at least. The Suarez/Evra incident occured what, 2 weeks, before the Terry/Ferdinand stuff?

    Maybe the FA have that case on the racism backlog.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 flahavaj
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    Sh*t just got real for Mister Suarez and his increasingly less vociferous suporters.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,709 Cantona's Collars
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    niallo27 wrote: »
    Yes it is, you should try it, it's only a joke.

    I thought it was funny too,while reading it the whole thing came out in a scouse accent.
    Carragher would never get a part in a remake of Boyz 'N' Da Hood.:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 amiable
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    J. Marston wrote: »
    I'd give it time at least. The Suarez/Evra incident occured what, 2 weeks, before the Terry/Ferdinand stuff?

    Maybe the FA have that case on the racism backlog.
    No the FA have stated that they will not comment on the Terry case until the Police investigation is complete


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 amiable
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    flahavaj wrote: »
    Sh*t just got real for Mister Suarez and his increasingly less vociferous suporters.
    Not true. Still 100% behind him.


    Innocent until proven guilty


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,313 K-9
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    #15 wrote: »
    But it's not accepted between people who are not acquaintances.

    That's the whole point.

    If 'negrito' was the word used, then the absolute best case scenario for Suarez is that he was not racially abusive, but merely culturally ignorant.

    If that is the case in Uruguay then yes. Do you know it is? I'm not up on Uruguayan culture. Not being smart, just saying only really somebody familiar with the word and its context can say that.

    And even that is being generous, because he has lived in northern Europe for 5 years and in England for 9 months and he is hardly stupid enough to have not picked up cultural taboos in that time.

    If it wasn't 'negrito' that was said, then fair enough, disregard the above.

    Negrito seems to be the word. I haven't heard nigg*r as the word anywhere in the press.

    As for him being more aware, maybe. Whether it's enough to get a conviction is another thing because the FA will have to take him at his word.

    Mad Men's Don Draper : What you call love was invented by guys like me, to sell nylons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,608 jaykay74
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    K-9 wrote: »
    If that is the case in Uruguay then yes. Do you know it is? I'm not up on Uruguayan culture. Not being smart, just saying only really somebody familiar with the word and its context can say that.

    Maybe Liverpools black players can clarify if Suarez calls them negrito generally. I presume he does if thats his culture. Would be odd if this was a standalone use of the term.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 flahavaj
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    Fuhrer wrote: »
    Jesus Christ, how many ****ing times? The personal abuse charge is the racism.


    Mother of god.

    The continued wriggling over technicalities from the usual suspects is pathetic and hilarious in equal measure. The state of some people in this thread right from the very start.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,093 eigrod
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    jaykay74 wrote: »
    How do people read the text below and claim there are 2 seperate charges. Baffling :confused:

    It's impossible to tell how many charges there are from that statement. The persistent use of "and/or" suggests to me that they haven't a clue what to charge him with so they are trying to cast their net as widely as they can in the hope that they'll find something to pin him with.

    And wtf are they on about when they say "behaviour" ? Surely if it was behaviour, it would have been visible (as opposed to the spoken word) and dealt with by the referee and included in his report ?

    Very strange statement by the FA and good lawyers should be all over this.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,139 niallo27
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    flahavaj wrote: »
    Sh*t just got real for Mister Suarez and his increasingly less vociferous suporters.

    I'm still 100% behind him, I doubt he is too bothered, not much chance of these charges sticking.


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  • Posts: 45,738 [Deleted User]


    flahavaj wrote: »
    Sh*t just got real for Mister Suarez and his increasingly less vociferous suporters.

    In fairness, guilty or not he'll still have his supporters.


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