Who is reluctant to buy MW3?

Local-womanizer · 09-11-2011 02:03AM

I am seriously reluctant to buy this, for the fact the look of it hasn't changed since Mw1. I played every CoD before but can't seem to get excited by this.

Although I am liking the sound of the Campaign and the good feedback from that.

I might pick it up second hand at some stage. I'm enjoying Bf3 far too much at the moment, and not too mention Skyrim on Friday! At that rate it will be the new year by the time I play it!

I am also not a Bf3 or CoD fanboy, I have the mental ability to recognise the pros and cons of both games :P I hate the way people are always comparing them!

Fouloleron · 09-11-2011 10:53AM

Hey folks, bought the game yesterday and finished the main SP game, also played for a few hours on multiplayer.

Honestly, I feel I have wasted my money.

Single player is dreadfully short and too easy, relying on Michael Bay-esk action scenes instead of plot or even game play!

Moving on to Multiplayer, it just feels exactly like I am playing MW2 again. Granted it is a direct sequel, but I expected at least more than a revamped leveling system and new perks.

This game will impress new players to the MW series but for a veteran like me its just the final straw as its taking the piss how much of a re-hash this game is. Might as well call it MW 2.5 .

Judge for yourselves but if you want my advice, wait a week or two until the hype has died down before you buy, I wish I did.

09-11-2011 10:56AM

Did you actually expect anything other than mw2 with a few changes, because if you're a 'veteran' then you should have known better.

Fouloleron · 09-11-2011 11:03AM

AdamD wrote: »

Did you actually expect anything other than mw2 with a few changes, because if you're a 'veteran' then you should have known better.

Sadly im from a generation where game sequals actually try to do something new, also where games which had very little new content were branded for what they were, rehashs.

I did expect more, I really did. Sorry if this makes me a fool but when I pay for a new game, I expect more than a re-hash.

Again I repeat to anyone who is on the fence about this game, wait a few weeks for the hype to die down before you buy.

09-11-2011 11:10AM

Fouloleron wrote: »

Sadly im from a generation where game sequals actually try to do something new, also where games which had very little new content were branded for what they were, rehashs.

I did expect more, I really did. Sorry if this makes me a fool but when I pay for a new game, I expect more than a re-hash.

Again I repeat to anyone who is on the fence about this game, wait a few weeks for the hype to die down before you buy.

You are also a cod 'veteran' so have played cod4 - black ops. Where very little changed. Yet its taken you until the 4th rehash to realise this.

Fouloleron · 09-11-2011 11:18AM

AdamD wrote: »

You are also a cod 'veteran' so have played cod4 - black ops. Where very little changed. Yet its taken you until the 4th rehash to realise this.

Black-ops was a different company altogether and yes it had quiet different theme/feel from MW2.

The theme firstly was Black operations and not Modern warfare, it was set during the 1960's-70s, different guns and leveling/unlocking system, zombies, customisable tages etc etc etc.

Black ops was a tottaly different game from the main MW series.

MW2 is the same as MW3 because its a cheap re-hash with the same themes, the same weapons and the same multiplayer, with no inovation what so ever and very little noteworthy change.

r3nu4l · 09-11-2011 11:23AM

I would say the same thing to be honest. MW2 as much as I hate it, added significant changes to COD4, deathstreaks, customisable killstreaks, Pro perks, different weapons, different colour palette etc.

BLOPS came along and added a whole host of changes, camo, clan tags on weapons, emblems, loads more stats, lots of cusomisable sights, different killstreaks, nerfed QS (yay

) blah, blah.

So there have been changes since COD4, lots of them. My main gripe is that MW3 seems to be just a complete rehash of MW2. Even if I had loved MW2, I would expect MW3 to add a lot more than it appears to have done.

krudler · 09-11-2011 11:27AM

Fouloleron wrote: »

Sadly im from a generation where game sequals actually try to do something new, also where games which had very little new content were branded for what they were, rehashs.

I did expect more, I really did. Sorry if this makes me a fool but when I pay for a new game, I expect more than a re-hash.

Again I repeat to anyone who is on the fence about this game, wait a few weeks for the hype to die down before you buy.

I'm from the same generation and I agree, older games made sequels completely differrent, look at Pac-Man and Ms Pac-Man, two completely different takes on the same concept, genius.

really though there are very few game sequels which are completely different to the original.change it too much and its not the same game which people liked in the first place.

Fouloleron · 09-11-2011 11:32AM

krudler wrote: »

I'm from the same generation and I agree, older games made sequels completely differrent, look at Pac-Man and Ms Pac-Man, two completely different takes on the same concept, genius.

really though there are very few game sequels which are completely different to the original.change it too much and its not the same game which people liked in the first place.

As much as I agree, all I am saying is that MW3 is basically the same game play experience as MW2.

That because of this, I would advise people not to buy into the hype. Like, why pay for what is basically the same game?

claiva · 09-11-2011 11:47AM

I put in a couple of hours on MP last night and I think it LOOKS very like MW2 alright, but it FEELS completely different, as in it plays differently.
Its Faster that Blops, but not as fast as MW2 - which is good.
Gun battles take longer than MW2, very similar to Blops - which is good.
Loads of new Killstreak options, per class, stackable, ability to cycle through them etc. These are all new welcome additions.

Granted it is a bit like MW2.5.........but thats not a BAD thing !!!

It looks amazing and the player animations are much better than MW2 and Blops.

I really like it anyway :eek:

Fouloleron · 09-11-2011 11:56AM

claiva wrote: »

I really like it anyway :eek:

Gald someone does though, if I could of gave my copy to you I would have.

Personally I have not had this much buyers remorse since buying Robot Warlords for the Ps2 (awful awful game). Would flog it second hand but my flat mate wants it.

Least I bought it from Extravison and got a few free DVD's with it.

Enigma IE · 09-11-2011 12:16PM

claiva wrote: »

I put in a couple of hours on MP last night and I think it LOOKS very like MW2 alright, but it FEELS completely different, as in it plays differently.
Its Faster that Blops, but not as fast as MW2 - which is good.
Gun battles take longer than MW2, very similar to Blops - which is good.
Loads of new Killstreak options, per class, stackable, ability to cycle through them etc. These are all new welcome additions.

Granted it is a bit like MW2.5.........but thats not a BAD thing !!!

It looks amazing and the player animations are much better than MW2 and Blops.

I really like it anyway :eek:

I agree. They put in lots of features the community asked for, they were never going to reinvent the wheel, just enhance it. Was slightly pi$$ed off about the party problems and occasional problems finding a game, but otherwise it looks very promising and looking forward to some good gaming over next 12 months.

Fouloleron · 09-11-2011 12:31PM

Enigma IE wrote: »

I agree. They put in lots of features the community asked for, they were never going to reinvent the wheel,

I think the upset is coming from the fact it was hyped up so much (as the next coming) but just ended up as a re-hash which certainly was nothing like it was hyped to be.

ShadowHearth · 09-11-2011 12:42PM

Enigma IE wrote: »

I agree. They put in lots of features the community asked for, they were never going to reinvent the wheel, just enhance it. Was slightly pi$$ed off about the party problems and occasional problems finding a game, but otherwise it looks very promising and looking forward to some good gaming over next 12 months.

The whole statement of " listening to community " can be burned right here. They pissed on community when they did not added dedicated servers for pc. Kill streaks add up from each other.

I can't believe I will say it, but black ops actuolly gave stuff that community wanted, not full of foam teenager.

Black ops:
Dedicated servers
No adding up with kill streaks
Snipers were snipers, not rail guns from quake 2.

I can't believe it, but I got some respect back to black ops...

I played one multiplayer match yesterday and it felt like quake.

Fouloleron · 09-11-2011 12:48PM

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I can't believe it, but I got some respect back to black ops...

I think this is the kicker as well, as people are so used to playing BLOPS (with its fix's and extra features), that going back to MW3 feels like a bit of a step back.

For all the compaints, it seems that Blops did it better.

Enigma IE · 09-11-2011 12:51PM

Fouloleron wrote: »

I think the upset is coming from the fact it was hyped up so much (as the next coming) but just ended up as a re-hash which certainly was nothing like it was hyped to be.

I understand your point, however I don't buy into hype myself. The MW2 was a brilliant engine, I never expected a complete re-work.

claiva · 09-11-2011 01:06PM

Enigma IE wrote: »

I understand your point, however I don't buy into hype myself. The MW2 was a brilliant engine, I never expected a complete re-work.

Totally agree with this. Buying into the Hype for a video game is something I would never do though. Yes, I started to get excited at the weekend just because the wait for a NEW game was nearly over but MOST games are ridiculously over hyped now and NO game could ever live up to the Hype that accompanies it on launch day. We're talking about an industry that is now bigger than the Billion dollar Movie Industry. There is serious money involved here. This is the reason for the Hype machine.

I still have Blops and MW2 and intend on playing them again.
Whats the problem ?
Each New iteration of a franchise doesn't necessarily have to replace the previous one !
Thats not what its about.

Fouloleron · 09-11-2011 01:12PM

claiva wrote: »

Each New iteration of a franchise doesn't necessarily have to replace the previous one !
Thats not what its about.

Just that I bought the game hoping for new content and did not get anything like that, nor anything that justifys the price I paid.

More fool on me I guess...still its the last cent Activision are getting from me.

bubbleking · 09-11-2011 01:14PM

claiva wrote: »

NO game could ever live up to the Hype that accompanies it on launch day.

BF3 did

claiva · 09-11-2011 01:17PM

Fouloleron wrote: »

Just I paid for new content and did not get anything that justify's the price. More fool on me I guess, still last cent activision are getting from me.

Fair enough, do you buy the new Tiger Woods release every year or the new Fifa release ?
I do, and I enjoy the little differences. I buy them and not other golf or soccer games because these ones are the ones I like. These ones are the best at it in my opinion.

Not much changes in them either.

Do you Get me ?
I dont expect huge groundbreaking changes because they have pretty much nailed it already. I dont want huge changes, but I do want SOME changes, and thats what we have gotten with MW3.

claiva · 09-11-2011 01:23PM

bubbleking wrote: »

BF3 did

Well thats a matter of opinion, as I said I don't buy into the whole Hype machine thing.
If the Hype were to be taken literally, these games would give you a happy ending at the end of your session each night :eek: !!!

I was a little excited about BF3 and I was going to buy it (purely for the vehicles), but after doing a little research on it, watching gameplay on YT etc I decided against and to wait until MW3 came out a couple of weeks later.
I'm very happy with that decision now.

bubbleking · 09-11-2011 01:31PM

claiva wrote: »

Well thats a matter of opinion, as I said I don't buy into the whole Hype machine thing.
If the Hype were to be taken literally, these games would give you a happy ending at the end of your session each night :eek: !!!

I was a little excited about BF3 and I was going to buy it (purely for the vehicles), but after doing a little research on it, watching gameplay on YT etc I decided against and to wait until MW3 came out a couple of weeks later.
I'm very happy with that decision now.

thats fair enough - if you can afford it Id suggest picking up both - like I said on another thread I'll prolly pick up MW3 in the January sales.

The way I look at it is long term as in "the Franchise" MW3 probably has had a negative effect on the COD Franchise as a whole - there are only so many times people can get fooked over before they say enough

claiva · 09-11-2011 01:44PM

bubbleking wrote: »

The way I look at it is long term as in "the Franchise" MW3 probably has had a negative effect on the COD Franchise as a whole - there are only so many times people can get fooked over before they say enough

True, but I don't feel in any way fooked over by MW3 !
I'm sure some do, but I don't and I really don't think anyone else should either.

Peoples expectations are too high.
Cod4 was a revelation.
Since then, they added some things, taken away some things, tweaked it here and there, added new gimmicks etc etc, but all Cod games since then have been essentially Add Ons to the core values of that game.

I do actually believe that in a way we are witnessing the twilight of this franchise on this generation of console.
FPS games released on the next gen consoles will require a serious step up in gameplay experience etc.

We were never going to get that with Cod. They are already at the top of their game.
BF3 have just about reached theirs now too, and so BF3 appear to be improving whilst Cod doesn't, but its because of the reasons I just mentioned.

Fouloleron · 09-11-2011 01:52PM

claiva wrote: »

True, but I don't feel in any way fooked over by MW3 !
I'm sure some do, but I don't and I really don't think anyone else should either.
Peoples expectations are too high.

Expectations were high because people expected a new game. Sorry but sequals usually are new games with newer mechanices.

(Granted there are some which are not but they are usually called out for being lazy re-hashs).

MW3 is a rip off plain and simple. I regret buying it and I advise people if they want to buy it, to wait until its a much cheaper price, even then they should know its nearly the exact same as MW2.

ShadowHearth · 09-11-2011 02:00PM

claiva wrote: »

Fair enough, do you buy the new Tiger Woods release every year or the new Fifa release ?
I do, and I enjoy the little differences. I buy them and not other golf or soccer games because these ones are the ones I like. These ones are the best at it in my opinion.

Not much changes in them either.

Do you Get me ?
I dont expect huge groundbreaking changes because they have pretty much nailed it already. I dont want huge changes, but I do want SOME changes, and thats what we have gotten with MW3.

Sports games are very different. And no, I wouldn't be ****ed to pay 50eu each year just to have name tags changed on same avatars.

You can't add anything new to soccer game. You can't make it in space, you can't make it with 64 people in each team at same time on a field. You can't give them guns or slingshots and name it soccer FIFA 2011 modern bitch slap 3!

Sports games are what they are. They can't reinvent themselfs and do something dramatic. So giving example of sports games vs modern fps is wrong.

All fanboism aside I feel robbed by activision. Stuff that black ops gave me was removed. I got same weapons which were in in 2 games before mw3. Maps are way worse from tactical view, but great for run and gun.

If they would call it am expansion, then it would be great. I would stfu, buy it for 15-20 eu and play it for sp and mp for shots and giggles.

One thing that really makes me confused. How to **** can they justify subscription for this?!?!

09-11-2011 02:04PM

Going to the cinema - 10 euro - 2 hours
This 'map pack' - 45/50 euro - days and days of playtime.

Seems worth it for me. And I'm quite happy that is an improved version of mw2 with 16 new maps.

Series like Resistance and Killzone tried to make too many changes in their sequels and absolutely butchered the games.

gimli2112 · 09-11-2011 02:11PM

bubbleking wrote: »

BF3 didn't

fyp

Fouloleron · 09-11-2011 02:50PM

AdamD wrote: »

Going to the cinema - 10 euro - 2 hours
This 'map pack' - 45/50 euro - days and days of playtime.

Going to see a new film- 10 euro -2hours
This "map pack" -45/50 euro -days and days of playing MW2 again.

Lol if MW3 was compared to a film, it would be Star wars 4 Digitally remastered, its basically the same film.

claiva · 09-11-2011 03:12PM

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Sports games are very different. And no, I wouldn't be ****ed to pay 50eu each year just to have name tags changed on same avatars.

You can't add anything new to soccer game. You can't make it in space, you can't make it with 64 people in each team at same time on a field. You can't give them guns or slingshots and name it soccer FIFA 2011 modern bitch slap 3!
No, but you can improve the gameplay a little and add new stuff like skill moves and celebrations etc

Sports games are what they are. They can't reinvent themselfs and do something dramatic. So giving example of sports games vs modern fps is wrong.
Huh ? I didn't compare them !!! I was using Sports games as an analogy, I meant that people rush out and buy the new Fifa release every year because they know what to expect - A FEW CHANGES

All fanboism aside I feel robbed by activision. Stuff that black ops gave me was removed. I got same weapons which were in in 2 games before mw3. Maps are way worse from tactical view, but great for run and gun.

If they would call it am expansion, then it would be great. I would stfu, buy it for 15-20 eu and play it for sp and mp for shots and giggles.

One thing that really makes me confused. How to **** can they justify subscription for this?!?!

Look, I take your points, I'm just pointing out that maybe your expectation was too high, thats all.
Anyway, lets agree to disagree.
One thing is for sure, there will be zillions copies of MW3 sold and i'll definitely get my moneys worth from it over the next 12 months.

claiva · 09-11-2011 03:17PM

Fouloleron wrote: »

Expectations were high because people expected a new game. Sorry but sequals usually are new games with newer mechanics.

Sorry mate, I just don't accept that. You are wrong sir

Who is reluctant to buy MW3?

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