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Who is reluctant to buy MW3?

r3nu4l

So I've been a massive fan of COD from my PC gaming days to my current PS3 days. COD4 was amazing, a real leap forward but MW2 was a let down for me. BLOPS was a much better SP and MP game IMO. However, vie been looking at the gameplay videos for MW3 and so far I'm seriously unimpressed

It seems like a rehash of MW2 to me. Any other COD fans feeling the same? Anyone else feel like this is just an expansion pack?

I hope I'm wrong but I won't be buying until I hear a lot more about the game from regular players...

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senordingdong

I do want this, for no reason other than a new chapter in the campaign.
'Map pack' and re-hash MP will be a bonus.

Bot for that reason, the price is too high.
I may look second hand or look for when Harvey Norman starts flogging them cheap.

claiva

EIREHotspur wrote: »

Lads I don't think you are giving us the really important details or detailed details.....we need to know the exact time the shops opened and when they actually shipped to the shops....your being too vague.

I got both BF3 and MW3 and BF3 MP will be the one I play more.
Good to have the variety.

Are you on Heroin ?

[Deleted User]

yimrsg wrote: »

Either way comparing mw2 and mw3 or black ops and WaW and complaining about the (perceived) lack of progress and then holding up the majority of those examples listed above as progress isn't comparable.

The only recent game that "changed" was Mass Effect and that still had 3 years development and I'm still not sure if I like the change from rpg to action dominated style.

People will fall into one of two categories providing mw3 turns out to be mw2 without all or some of the broken parts. Some will be up in arms saying why wasn't this done before calling them lazy rip off so and sos. And the others will be delighted that they finally get something not broken to play.

Lads I don't think you are giving us the really important details or detailed details.....we need to know the exact time the shops opened and when they actually shipped to the shops....your being too vague.

I got both BF3 and MW3 and BF3 MP will be the one I play more.
Good to have the variety.

KERSPLAT!

bubbleking wrote: »

I am so torn at the moment. People that I regularly game with that have bought MW3 all have the same opinion

"yes MW3 is very good but I cant stop playing BF3 its just excellent"

I dont want it to be the case where I buy it for top dollar and never play it!

Rent it for a night, you'll know after 2-3 hours of gameplay whether you like it or not. I love it so far, plan on getting BF3 in a few weeks so I can swap between them

bubbleking

I am so torn at the moment. People that I regularly game with that have bought MW3 all have the same opinion

"yes MW3 is very good but I cant stop playing BF3 its just excellent"

I dont want it to be the case where I buy it for top dollar and never play it!

dr.bollocko

The one thing that stopped me from wanting to buy this game was the mega-bitch thread in here. But tbh I am really enjoying it.

[Deleted User]

Fouloleron wrote: »

Not really, the following examples prove my point

Battlefield 2 > Battlefield 3 Nope. The 2 games from the Bad Company series came here. Same genre, same developer.

Crysis > Crysis 2 Game failed massively?

Team Fortress > Team Fortress 2

Starcraft > Starcraft II

Deus Ex > Deus Ex: Human Revolution

Oblivion > Skyrim

The Witcher > The Witcher 2

All examples of sequals having new interesting settings/ mechanic, though you don't have to accept the proof.

You named only 2 fps games. Lets try some more:

Resistance 1 - amazing, Resistance 2 - average, Resistance 3 - awful. Why? Because they tried way way way too much each time (core changes) and the people who liked the original sure didn't like number 3.

Killzone 1 - good. Killzone 2 - very good. Killzone 3 - mehh. Why? They made huge changes between 2 and 3 to core things such as the aiming system.

UC2 MP - Very good, UC3 MP- Mehhhhhhh. Again, loads of changes.

And these aren't just opinions I hold, I read plenty of gaming forums and these are the general opinions on these series. So it has to be said; when your fps game is good, just add to it. Major changes rarely work.

claiva

Limericks wrote: »

MW3 is missing allot of features black op's had, and that just really grinds my gears.

I understand this opinion, however, it just makes me look forward to Black Ops 2 a little more !!!

I miss the dolphin dive and the tomahawk but I'll throw Blops on when I want a bit of that. Nuketown and Firing Range will definitely still draw me to Blops for a change of pace/scenery from MW3.

aN.Droid

MW3 is missing allot of features black op's had, and that just really grinds my gears.

r3nu4l

Corruptable wrote: »

Battlefield FTW!!

Very insghtful. Are you a regular COD player? Anything more to add or is this just another "OMGZ, Battlefield is the 1337, COD is 4 n00bz" post?

Corruptable

Battlefield FTW!!

GavRedKing

Dont thnk I'll be picking up MW3 for some time. having plyed COD4 and MW2 to death.

I switched to BF3 on its release day and I'm delighted I changed. No doubt I'll pick up MW3 in the next few weeks/months but this year I didnt feel the need to rush out and buy it and after reading some mixed reviews it seems I havent missed too much.

yimrsg

Enigma IE wrote: »

If your comparing apples with apples ?

MW2 (released 10th Nov 09) v MW3 (released 8th Nov 11)
WAW (released 14th Nov 08) v BLOPS (released 9th Nov 10)

Either way comparing mw2 and mw3 or black ops and WaW and complaining about the (perceived) lack of progress and then holding up the majority of those examples listed above as progress isn't comparable.

The only recent game that "changed" was Mass Effect and that still had 3 years development and I'm still not sure if I like the change from rpg to action dominated style.

People will fall into one of two categories providing mw3 turns out to be mw2 without all or some of the broken parts. Some will be up in arms saying why wasn't this done before calling them lazy rip off so and sos. And the others will be delighted that they finally get something not broken to play.

Enigma IE

If your comparing apples with apples ?

MW2 (released 10th Nov 09) v MW3 (released 8th Nov 11)
WAW (released 14th Nov 08) v BLOPS (released 9th Nov 10)

yimrsg

Fouloleron wrote: »

Not really, the following examples prove my point

[*]Battlefield 2 > Battlefield 3
[*]Crysis > Crysis 2
[*]Team Fortress > Team Fortress 2
[*]Starcraft > Starcraft II
[*]Deus Ex > Deus Ex: Human Revolution
[*]Oblivion > Skyrim
[*]The Witcher > The Witcher 2

All examples of sequals having new interesting settings/ mechanic, though you don't have to accept the proof.

Not bothering to do all of them but your picking some awful examples which don't prove anything except that it takes about 5 years for drastic changes to occur.

Deus Ex - 11 years between them.
Battlefield 2: 2005, Battlefield 3: 2011
Oblivion 2006, Skyrim 2011.
Black ops 2010 MW3 2011.

Spot the odd one out.

Fouloleron

claiva wrote: »

Sorry mate, I just don't accept that. You are wrong sir

Not really, the following examples prove my point

Battlefield 2 > Battlefield 3
Crysis > Crysis 2
Team Fortress > Team Fortress 2
Starcraft > Starcraft II
Deus Ex > Deus Ex: Human Revolution
Oblivion > Skyrim
The Witcher > The Witcher 2

All examples of sequals having new interesting settings/ mechanic, though you don't have to accept the proof.

claiva

Fouloleron wrote: »

Expectations were high because people expected a new game. Sorry but sequals usually are new games with newer mechanics.

Sorry mate, I just don't accept that. You are wrong sir

claiva

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Sports games are very different. And no, I wouldn't be ****ed to pay 50eu each year just to have name tags changed on same avatars.

You can't add anything new to soccer game. You can't make it in space, you can't make it with 64 people in each team at same time on a field. You can't give them guns or slingshots and name it soccer FIFA 2011 modern bitch slap 3!
No, but you can improve the gameplay a little and add new stuff like skill moves and celebrations etc

Sports games are what they are. They can't reinvent themselfs and do something dramatic. So giving example of sports games vs modern fps is wrong.
Huh ? I didn't compare them !!! I was using Sports games as an analogy, I meant that people rush out and buy the new Fifa release every year because they know what to expect - A FEW CHANGES

All fanboism aside I feel robbed by activision. Stuff that black ops gave me was removed. I got same weapons which were in in 2 games before mw3. Maps are way worse from tactical view, but great for run and gun.

If they would call it am expansion, then it would be great. I would stfu, buy it for 15-20 eu and play it for sp and mp for shots and giggles.

One thing that really makes me confused. How to **** can they justify subscription for this?!?!

Look, I take your points, I'm just pointing out that maybe your expectation was too high, thats all.
Anyway, lets agree to disagree.
One thing is for sure, there will be zillions copies of MW3 sold and i'll definitely get my moneys worth from it over the next 12 months.

Fouloleron

AdamD wrote: »

Going to the cinema - 10 euro - 2 hours
This 'map pack' - 45/50 euro - days and days of playtime.

Going to see a new film- 10 euro -2hours
This "map pack" -45/50 euro -days and days of playing MW2 again.

Lol if MW3 was compared to a film, it would be Star wars 4 Digitally remastered, its basically the same film.

gimli2112

bubbleking wrote: »

BF3 didn't

fyp

[Deleted User]

Going to the cinema - 10 euro - 2 hours
This 'map pack' - 45/50 euro - days and days of playtime.

Seems worth it for me. And I'm quite happy that is an improved version of mw2 with 16 new maps.

Series like Resistance and Killzone tried to make too many changes in their sequels and absolutely butchered the games.

ShadowHearth

claiva wrote: »

Fair enough, do you buy the new Tiger Woods release every year or the new Fifa release ?
I do, and I enjoy the little differences. I buy them and not other golf or soccer games because these ones are the ones I like. These ones are the best at it in my opinion.

Not much changes in them either.

Do you Get me ?
I dont expect huge groundbreaking changes because they have pretty much nailed it already. I dont want huge changes, but I do want SOME changes, and thats what we have gotten with MW3.

Sports games are very different. And no, I wouldn't be ****ed to pay 50eu each year just to have name tags changed on same avatars.

You can't add anything new to soccer game. You can't make it in space, you can't make it with 64 people in each team at same time on a field. You can't give them guns or slingshots and name it soccer FIFA 2011 modern bitch slap 3!

Sports games are what they are. They can't reinvent themselfs and do something dramatic. So giving example of sports games vs modern fps is wrong.

All fanboism aside I feel robbed by activision. Stuff that black ops gave me was removed. I got same weapons which were in in 2 games before mw3. Maps are way worse from tactical view, but great for run and gun.

If they would call it am expansion, then it would be great. I would stfu, buy it for 15-20 eu and play it for sp and mp for shots and giggles.

One thing that really makes me confused. How to **** can they justify subscription for this?!?!

Fouloleron

claiva wrote: »

True, but I don't feel in any way fooked over by MW3 !
I'm sure some do, but I don't and I really don't think anyone else should either.
Peoples expectations are too high.

Expectations were high because people expected a new game. Sorry but sequals usually are new games with newer mechanices.

(Granted there are some which are not but they are usually called out for being lazy re-hashs).

MW3 is a rip off plain and simple. I regret buying it and I advise people if they want to buy it, to wait until its a much cheaper price, even then they should know its nearly the exact same as MW2.

claiva

bubbleking wrote: »

The way I look at it is long term as in "the Franchise" MW3 probably has had a negative effect on the COD Franchise as a whole - there are only so many times people can get fooked over before they say enough

True, but I don't feel in any way fooked over by MW3 !
I'm sure some do, but I don't and I really don't think anyone else should either.

Peoples expectations are too high.
Cod4 was a revelation.
Since then, they added some things, taken away some things, tweaked it here and there, added new gimmicks etc etc, but all Cod games since then have been essentially Add Ons to the core values of that game.

I do actually believe that in a way we are witnessing the twilight of this franchise on this generation of console.
FPS games released on the next gen consoles will require a serious step up in gameplay experience etc.

We were never going to get that with Cod. They are already at the top of their game.
BF3 have just about reached theirs now too, and so BF3 appear to be improving whilst Cod doesn't, but its because of the reasons I just mentioned.

bubbleking

claiva wrote: »

Well thats a matter of opinion, as I said I don't buy into the whole Hype machine thing.
If the Hype were to be taken literally, these games would give you a happy ending at the end of your session each night :eek: !!!

I was a little excited about BF3 and I was going to buy it (purely for the vehicles), but after doing a little research on it, watching gameplay on YT etc I decided against and to wait until MW3 came out a couple of weeks later.
I'm very happy with that decision now.

thats fair enough - if you can afford it Id suggest picking up both - like I said on another thread I'll prolly pick up MW3 in the January sales.

The way I look at it is long term as in "the Franchise" MW3 probably has had a negative effect on the COD Franchise as a whole - there are only so many times people can get fooked over before they say enough

claiva

bubbleking wrote: »

BF3 did

Well thats a matter of opinion, as I said I don't buy into the whole Hype machine thing.
If the Hype were to be taken literally, these games would give you a happy ending at the end of your session each night :eek: !!!

I was a little excited about BF3 and I was going to buy it (purely for the vehicles), but after doing a little research on it, watching gameplay on YT etc I decided against and to wait until MW3 came out a couple of weeks later.
I'm very happy with that decision now.

claiva

Fouloleron wrote: »

Just I paid for new content and did not get anything that justify's the price. More fool on me I guess, still last cent activision are getting from me.

Fair enough, do you buy the new Tiger Woods release every year or the new Fifa release ?
I do, and I enjoy the little differences. I buy them and not other golf or soccer games because these ones are the ones I like. These ones are the best at it in my opinion.

Not much changes in them either.

Do you Get me ?
I dont expect huge groundbreaking changes because they have pretty much nailed it already. I dont want huge changes, but I do want SOME changes, and thats what we have gotten with MW3.

bubbleking

claiva wrote: »

NO game could ever live up to the Hype that accompanies it on launch day.

BF3 did

Fouloleron

claiva wrote: »

Each New iteration of a franchise doesn't necessarily have to replace the previous one !
Thats not what its about.

Just that I bought the game hoping for new content and did not get anything like that, nor anything that justifys the price I paid.

More fool on me I guess...still its the last cent Activision are getting from me.

claiva

Enigma IE wrote: »

I understand your point, however I don't buy into hype myself. The MW2 was a brilliant engine, I never expected a complete re-work.

Totally agree with this. Buying into the Hype for a video game is something I would never do though. Yes, I started to get excited at the weekend just because the wait for a NEW game was nearly over but MOST games are ridiculously over hyped now and NO game could ever live up to the Hype that accompanies it on launch day. We're talking about an industry that is now bigger than the Billion dollar Movie Industry. There is serious money involved here. This is the reason for the Hype machine.

I still have Blops and MW2 and intend on playing them again.
Whats the problem ?
Each New iteration of a franchise doesn't necessarily have to replace the previous one !
Thats not what its about.