Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 - Mod Note 4153

daithijjj · 08-11-2011 02:31AM

~Rebel~ wrote: »

I really want Downing to start crossing from exactly the position he's in in YouTookMyNames image.

Took often he crosses straight across instead of from deep. We all know Carroll is at his best attacking a ball coming from a deeper angle. Thats what he thrived on for Newcastle. When the ball is coming straight across him he just isn't as effective.

Maybe it's the timing or something, he has more time to set himself to attack a deep ball than he has a direct cross, and given his size and strength, if both he and the defender have enough time to settle themselves to attack the ball, he'll come out better than most.

Thats kinda part of the problem though, who was he going to cross to?, the only person not in view, who was in the Swansea half at that point, was Henderson and he was even further behind play.

There was an identical move a few mins later and it seemed we had learned from this with more players more advanced but Carroll hit the bar. We didnt really recreate that kind of opportunity again, when what we should have done was gamble a bit more, from midfield especially, and try to kill it off earlier. Problem is Lucas rarely contributes that way and Adam seemed to be relying too much on longer balls from deeper.

There was an occasion in the second half where Lucas tapped the ball 3 yards to Agger and he had to take it forward, Lucas shouldnt be doing that, he should be taking it forward himself, he could have but he chose not to. It annoyed me something chronic at the time i have to say but Agger did well and we got a free on the edge of the box from it. But we shouldnt get to a point where our midfielder is giving a 3 yard pass to our centre back to go and make something happen.

joe123 · 08-11-2011 03:06AM

People are asking to much of Adam imo. Like it or not hes playing the Xabi Alonso role. How often would you see Alonso surging into the box? His role seems to be taking the ball off Lucas or the backline.

As someone said, you cant expect any footballer to ping 30-40 yard passes and be then in the box in the next breath.

People to blame in that image are, Carroll and Henderson and Suarez.

Carroll as stated is the point of our attack and should be stuck on the point of the triangle. You wouldnt see Hernandez in Carrolls position there.

Henderson should be much much further forward. Hes the opposite wing to downing and always the right mid should be at the far post, or at least about come in at the far post. Henderson is simply ball watching, jogging along.

And then there is Suarez. Hes the type of player who wants the ball in the final third, and often he comes short and this is both good and bad. It shows hes not a poacher for one, as a poachers first instinct in that situation would be to be in the box. Its always better to have suarez with the ball in these situations but at the same time you want someone to be in a dangerous position for the incoming cross.

It comes back to Carroll. If Andy C was in his proper position then Suarez' would be in a decent position too.

This should all be gone over by Kenny and the gang though and at 11 games into the season it should be drilled into them at this stage. Not good enough imo.

NukaCola · 08-11-2011 07:39AM

Hoki wrote: »

Selling Meireles has been the biggest mistake Kenny has made at the club. He would have been the perfect candidate to be getting on the end of Carrolls knockdowns , his unselfishness & eye for a pass in the final thrid of the pitch is sorely missing. It genuinely angers me to see him at Chelsea more so than Torres.

Meireles didnt want to stay at Liverpool....i wouldnt call it a mistake by Kenny at all to be fair, however i agree with you on his ability, its a shame he decided to leave...

Crazy Horse 6 · 08-11-2011 09:35AM

Brain Stroking wrote: »

Suarez is lying. This admission shows he was being racist and is now adopting the "cultural differences" escape. Unfortunately for Suarez that doesnt really add up. He has shown his ignorance.

And even if the reasoning given isnt complete sh1te, where is the common decency to apologise for the misunderstanding? At the very least he has offended someone and should apologise for his ignorance.

Liverpool and Dalglish have a fair bit to be sheepish about in all this.

Dear oh dear the standard of posting here is getting worse by the day.

slingerz · 08-11-2011 09:52AM

Jayob10 wrote: »

Charlie Adam simply has to play as part of a 3 man midfield. He is neither mobile enough to play as a 2 and he isn't defensively proficient to make up for his lack of mobility. He is rigid in terms of the role he can play. His passing is top notch but it needs to be pinpoint otherwise there will not be any support runners picking up the clearance.

Ideally Adam would partner a top class defensive midfielder who has plenty of pace and a great engine. And in front of them would be a playmaker who is technically very good and a master of making late runs into the box

Charlie Adam covers more ground per game than any other Liverpool player. He also covered the most ground v Swansea. That puts his lack of mobility myth to bed really

Melion · 08-11-2011 10:13AM

Its going to be a long international break, this is all people are going to have to talk about in here.

Melion · 08-11-2011 10:38AM

Why is this still being discussed in here and not a mention of it in the United thread?

_blank_ · 08-11-2011 10:40AM

Melion wrote: »

Why is this still being discussed in here and not a mention of it in the United thread?

Because Suarez is the latest to speak in the media? A Liverpool player?

Melion · 08-11-2011 10:41AM

Des wrote: »

Because Suarez is the latest to speak in the media? A Liverpool player?

Hence me asking to re-open the Racism thread. Its ridiculous trying to read through this thread with all the shít getting posted about this "incident". We dont have a game for 2 weeks, most regular posters on here wont be able to put up with this for that long.

_blank_ · 08-11-2011 10:43AM

Melion wrote: »

Hence me asking to re-open the Racism thread. Its ridiculous trying to read through this thread with all the shít getting posted about this "incident". We dont have a game for 2 weeks, most regular posters on here wont be able to put up with this for that long.

Fair enough point, but starting a thread directed at the mods isn't really the way to go, you should just report the posts in this thread (which nobody has done, so far) and draw their attention to it that way.

The thread was closed because there was "nothing new" to discuss - well, there is now.

Melion · 08-11-2011 10:44AM

I wouldnt report posts as there is nothing to report. I can see why people are talking about it in here, its just very boring to be still reading the same thing a month after the "incident"

_blank_ · 08-11-2011 10:46AM

It's not the "same thing", in fairness. One of the protagonists has furthered the subject matter, and information available, by commenting in the media, it's going to be discussed, and at the moment, seeing as it was a Liverpool player doing the commenting, the Liverpool thread seems the most appropriate place for it, given the closure of the dedicated thread.

_blank_ · 08-11-2011 10:47AM

...and now we're talking about the fact that it's being talked about in the Liverpool thread, in the Liverpool thread.

:pac:

Mr Alan · 08-11-2011 11:08AM

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

So Suarez admits to saying something and your still in denial.

I told you your point about the cameras was stupid, but you banged on about it for weeks on end.

Just out of curiousity, how come when Kess (who has far more patience to deal with you than I ever would) explained in detail why the accusations Evra made through the media (including that there is evidence) were actually a huge deal with potential serious legal ramifications for Evra, you disappeared and never responded?

SlickRic · 08-11-2011 11:11AM

racism Thread re-opened.

please go there for Suarez/Evra chat.

thanks.

Cartman78 · 08-11-2011 11:18AM

SlickRic wrote: »

racism Thread re-opened.

please go there for Suarez/Evra chat.

thanks.

Best post I've seen on here in ages

SlickRic · 08-11-2011 11:33AM

last couple of posts deleted.

let's stop taking pot shots.

for the love of God.

Kess73 · 08-11-2011 11:41AM

Mr Alan wrote: »

Just out of curiousity, how come when Kess (who has far more patience to deal with you than I ever would) explained in detail why the accusations Evra made through the media (including that there is evidence) were actually a huge deal with potential serious legal ramifications for Evra, you disappeared and never responded?

He did respond in the thread a day or two later, and he did contact me a number of times by pm on Sunday to give his take on it.

mike65 · 08-11-2011 11:44AM

re RAWK thread

YouTookMyName its here

Devilman40k · 08-11-2011 01:10PM

Anyone else see this

Jeebus Soto....just because we see him as an upgrade!

Kess73 · 08-11-2011 01:19PM

Devilman40k wrote: »

Anyone else see this

Jeebus Soto....just because we see him as an upgrade!

The injury saw Subotic get three metal plates put in, yet he managed to get up and play on until half time after it happened. Tough SOB.

Devilman40k · 08-11-2011 01:21PM

Kess73 wrote: »

The injury saw Subotic get three metal plates put in, yet he managed to get up and play on until half time after it happened. Tough SOB.

If even the Greek can't put Subotic down we should sign him up now!!

Chucky the tree · 08-11-2011 01:25PM

mike65 wrote: »

re RAWK thread

YouTookMyName its here

Jesus, thought that was Downing on the ball and not Enrique. How is Downing not even present in either picture? Did he nip off for a burger or something?

Jayob10 · 08-11-2011 01:30PM

slingerz wrote: »

Charlie Adam covers more ground per game than any other Liverpool player. He also covered the most ground v Swansea. That puts his lack of mobility myth to bed really

Consistently this season Charlie Adam has run out of steam from the 65th to 70th minute, becoming a mere passenger until the final whistle.

When Charlie Adam is the man in your team who covers the most ground then that really highlights the problems in your team.

D'Agger · 08-11-2011 01:33PM

Jayob10 wrote: »

Consistently this season Charlie Adam has run out of steam from the 65th to 70th minute, becoming a mere passenger until the final whistle.

When Charlie Adam is the man in your team who covers the most ground then that really highlights the problems in your team.

I'd be more worried if it was Reina tbh

amiable · 08-11-2011 02:55PM

Jayob10 wrote: »

Consistently this season Charlie Adam has run out of steam from the 65th to 70th minute, becoming a mere passenger until the final whistle.

When Charlie Adam is the man in your team who covers the most ground then that really highlights the problems in your team.

Do the stats back this claim up?

Jayob10 · 08-11-2011 03:07PM

amiable wrote: »

Do the stats back this claim up?

Stat tell us important things, but they also can be as useless at the same time.

Moses Kiptanui would probably cover the most ground for us if he signed in the morning, it doesn't really tell us alot.

Anyone who has watched Liverpool this season will see that Charlie Adam's influence on games dramatically drops off after the 65-70minute mark. He consistently looks heavy legged at that stage of a game.

He may cover alot of ground in the first hour, but if its to the detriment of the team for the final 30 minutes then there are issues to be addressed.

The stats will also probably show you how much possession we surrender in the final half hour also.

Jayob10 · 08-11-2011 03:11PM

amiable wrote: »

Do the stats back this claim up?

I have no idea if that stats show Adam covers the most ground. Its irrelevant really, kuyt has to be up there over the seasons in terms of covering ground.

you could run around in circles for 90 minutes to pad that stat out.

The proof is in the watching. Adam has gassed out game after game this season.

The Swansea game was a prime example where he blew his load in the first half and had not got the legs to carry it through to the final whistle. Its becoming a liability when hes playing part of a 4-4-2.

Every Liverpool game has been the same this season more or less. We start really well and the performance gets progressively worse as the game goes on.

Mr Alan · 08-11-2011 03:42PM

Jayob10 wrote: »

Every Liverpool game has been the same this season more or less. We start really well and the performance gets progressively worse as the game goes on.

I do wish people would stop saying this.

While it was certainly the case for Sunderland first game of the season.

It hasn't been the case recently. In the Swansea & Norwich games specifically we laid siege to the oppositions goal for the last 10 mins of each. Hardly the sign of a team out on their feet.

What's happened imo is that the team has lack urgency for periods in the games. I don't think it's anything to do with fitness like you seem to be implying.

Melion · 08-11-2011 03:46PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

I do wish people would stop saying this.

While it was certainly the case for Sunderland first game of the season.

It hasn't been the case recently. In the Swansea & Norwich games specifically we laid siege to the oppositions goal for the last 10 mins of each. Hardly the sign of a team out on their feet.

What's happened imo is that the team has lack urgency for periods in the games. I don't think it's anything to do with fitness like you seem to be implying.

From the games i have seen this season. We try to dominate the first 30 minutes, then fall apart until the 75th minute. Start playing again and then "lay siege" to the opponents goal in injury time.

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