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TUF 14:Bisping V Mayhem

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  • #182
    Kent Brockman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭Kent Brockman


    Thought he tapped myself. It certainly messed with the other guys head, feeling that he has already won the fight but had to continue.

    If the other guy did tap and then pretended he didn't, he deserves to get something snapped the next time he taps and is a disgrace to the sport imo.

    Something similar happened with CB Dollaway wher he tapped but then tried to withdraw it after the guy released a bit of pressure on the arm. Ref called it though.
    Also saw something in pride where a guy tapped and the other guy released the hold there was a big pow-wow about it and the fight was restarted. The original winner then put on the same submission hold and did some damage before the ref forced him to release. (thats what I was hoping for here)


  • #183
    Ian Whelan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 599 ✭✭✭Ian Whelan


    That was a tap, no question about it. I could be said that Herb Dean was perhaps under instruction to give Bisping's fighter the benefit of the doubt in any situation which might arise in order to avoid this series becoming an absolute walkover. If anybody watched Nelson v Kimbo in TUF previously Herb Dean was obviously under instruction not to stop Kimbo if it was at all avoidable. Kimbo was the big draw for the fans and even though Nelson had landed about 19 unanswered strikes Herb Dean still wouldn't stop the fight and allowed Kimbo to fail to defend himself until the round ended.

    Bisping's an absolute idiot with the IQ and attitude of a 12 year old and Akira is not far behind him.


  • #184
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,483 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Ian Whelan wrote: »
    That was a tap, no question about it. I could be said that Herb Dean was perhaps under instruction to give Bisping's fighter the benefit of the doubt in any situation which might arise in order to avoid this series becoming an absolute walkover. If anybody watched Nelson v Kimbo in TUF previously Herb Dean was obviously under instruction not to stop Kimbo if it was at all avoidable. Kimbo was the big draw for the fans and even though Nelson had landed about 19 unanswered strikes Herb Dean still wouldn't stop the fight and allowed Kimbo to fail to defend himself until the round ended.

    Sigh.................


  • #185
    El Guapo!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,440 ✭✭✭✭El Guapo!


    I have to admit I thought it was a tap, but if the ref doesnt call it then it doesnt count. He shouldn't have released the submission until the ref stepped in.
    As for Herb Dean being under instruction to favour Bispings team.......I really don't believe that at all. Either he didn't see the tap, or he didn't think it was a tap. Either way, to think he didn't call the tap on purpose is a bit much I think.

    I enjoyed that episode even though the fight wasn't the best so far. Millers guy was supposed to be a great grappler yet he hardly shot for a takedown and when he did it wasn't very good. Akira is heavy handed and could be a decent fighter if he calms down a bit. He's a bit too hot-headed and lets that interfere with his fight.

    Miller is a class act and again in this episode he came off much better than Bisping.


  • #186
    Minstrel27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭Minstrel27


    Ian Whelan wrote: »
    That was a tap, no question about it. I could be said that Herb Dean was perhaps under instruction to give Bisping's fighter the benefit of the doubt in any situation which might arise in order to avoid this series becoming an absolute walkover. If anybody watched Nelson v Kimbo in TUF previously Herb Dean was obviously under instruction not to stop Kimbo if it was at all avoidable. Kimbo was the big draw for the fans and even though Nelson had landed about 19 unanswered strikes Herb Dean still wouldn't stop the fight and allowed Kimbo to fail to defend himself until the round ended.

    Herb Dean was under instruction from who? He isn't a UFC employee so who? Can you provide evidence for your claim?


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  • #187
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,483 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Minstrel27 wrote: »
    Herb Dean was under instruction from who? He isn't a UFC employee so who? Can you provide evidence for your claim?

    All of the information is right here


  • #188
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,578 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Ian Whelan wrote: »
    That was a tap, no question about it. I could be said that Herb Dean was perhaps under instruction to give Bisping's fighter the benefit of the doubt in any situation which might arise in order to avoid this series becoming an absolute walkover. If anybody watched Nelson v Kimbo in TUF previously Herb Dean was obviously under instruction not to stop Kimbo if it was at all avoidable. Kimbo was the big draw for the fans and even though Nelson had landed about 19 unanswered strikes Herb Dean still wouldn't stop the fight and allowed Kimbo to fail to defend himself until the round ended.

    Bisping's an absolute idiot with the IQ and attitude of a 12 year old and Akira is not far behind him.
    Dear lord.


  • #189
    JoeyJJ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,663 ✭✭✭JoeyJJ


    Listen Herb isn't going to risk his career for something this small. I get the feeling Herb doesn't really get excited about riches, he isn't going to take backhanders and get marked off Nevada commission list. Does a lot of work for charity.

    Listen to the man himself here
    http://video.aol.com/aolvideo/aol-sports/mma-hour-episode-no-93-herb-dean/1090207601001

    Also a good interview into the insight of how hard it can be to be the man in the middle.


  • #190
    loremolis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 945 ✭✭✭loremolis


    Miller tweeted this:

    mayhemmiller Jason Mayhem Miller
    Just so everyone knows, they edited Michael to look like a nicer guy, if you can believe that.

    I hope Bisping gets KTFO. Arrogant assh*le.


  • #191
    Kent Brockman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,282 ✭✭✭Kent Brockman


    loremolis wrote: »
    I hope Bisping gets KTFO. Arrogant assh*le.

    I hope you are right but unfortunately I reckon Bisping will win. Who has Miller beaten ( worthwhile or even recently)?


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  • #192
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,483 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Kent Brockman wrote: »
    I hope you are right but unfortunately I reckon Bisping will win. Who has Miller beaten ( worthwhile or even recently)?

    Well.............. who has Bisping ever beaten?


  • #193
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,578 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Miller beat Sakuraba, being 42 kinda deminishes the scalp.

    Bisping has Leben, Miller, Akiyama


  • #194
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,483 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Mellor wrote: »
    Miller beat Sakuraba, being 42 kinda deminishes the scalp.

    Bisping has Leben, Miller, Akiyama

    Leben, Miller and Akiyama are not scalps. Leben's a tough guy yeah, but those 3 lads have NEVER been anywhere near championship level!

    It shows when you put all 3 lads' records together and see that THEY have never beaten anyone either! (Closest is Leben beating a shot Wand)


  • #195
    Oh_Noes
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭Oh_Noes


    Miller beat Robbie Lawlor, Tim Kennedy, had a NC with Jacare and was a few seconds away from tapping Jake Shieilds. It's not world-beating but it's decent enough, his record doesn't really do him justice IMO. He is a much better fighter based on performances than the record reflects.

    If anything I would say the opposite of Bisping, his only win that looked impressive or even convincing was against Jorge Rivera.

    I still think Bisping takes him though, so long as it stays up. Probably will outpoint him with jabs in a decision.


  • #196
    Ush1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    Oh_Noes wrote: »
    Miller beat Robbie Lawlor, Tim Kennedy, had a NC with Jacare and was a few seconds away from tapping Jake Shieilds. It's not world-beating but it's decent enough, his record doesn't really do him justice IMO. He is a much better fighter based on performances than the record reflects.

    If anything I would say the opposite of Bisping, his only win that looked impressive or even convincing was against Jorge Rivera.

    I still think Bisping takes him though, so long as it stays up. Probably will outpoint him with jabs in a decision.

    The most impressive part was how he got away with that premeditated illegal knee.:pac:


  • #197
    Mellor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,578 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Leben, Miller and Akiyama are not scalps. Leben's a tough guy yeah, but those 3 lads have NEVER been anywhere near championship level!

    It shows when you put all 3 lads' records together and see that THEY have never beaten anyone either! (Closest is Leben beating a shot Wand)
    That was my point, neither of them have beaten anyone. They consistantly beat the 2nd tier fighters but would get owned by the top 3 in the div.
    Oh_Noes wrote: »
    Miller beat Robbie Lawlor, Tim Kennedy, had a NC with Jacare and was a few seconds away from tapping Jake Shieilds. It's not world-beating but it's decent enough, his record doesn't really do him justice IMO. He is a much better fighter based on performances than the record reflects.
    Robbie Lawlor is overated. One or two wins but everyone has beaten him.
    Kennedy is a solid fighter and has beaten some good guys. So i'll give him that. But would be a simialr level to 2nd tier Bisping beats.
    Jacare, he soccer kicked him and it was Rules a NC? That's nothing talk about. Should of been DQ imo.

    I'm not trying to get a Bisping support camp going, I don't really like or dislike him. Ditto for Miller. I don't think either has a shot at a MW belt.
    But I do think they are enjotable to watch.
    Ush1 wrote: »
    The most impressive part was how he got away with that premeditated illegal knee.:pac:

    Premeditated?
    Either you don't know what that means or you are so biased that your opinion doesn't matter.


  • #198
    Ush1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    Mellor wrote: »
    Premeditated?
    Either you don't know what that means or you are so biased that your opinion doesn't matter.

    Quick at jumping to conclusions aren't you?

    pre·med·i·tat·ed(premacr.gif-mebreve.gifdprime.gifibreve.gif-tamacr.giflprime.giftibreve.gifd)
    adj. Characterized by deliberate purpose, previous consideration, and some degree of planning: a premeditated crime.

    Biased in what way exactly?

    Michael+Bisping++vs.+Jorge+Rivera+3.gif

    Speaks for itself.


  • #199
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,483 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    I'd have used the word "Deliberate" myself.

    Bisping has shown time and again he lacks class.


  • #200
    Ush1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    I'd have used the word "Deliberate" myself.

    Bisping has shown time and again he lacks class.

    I used the word premeditated deliberately.:)

    I believe he knew if he threw the knee it was illegal and Rivera wouldn't be defending it but threw it anyway.


  • #201
    Minstrel27
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,818 ✭✭✭Minstrel27


    If Mayhem does not beat Bisping then I will cry. This show is doing nothing but making Bisping look like a dick. He has a really ****ty attitude.


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  • #202
    The Bored One
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭The Bored One


    Ush1 wrote: »
    I used the word premeditated deliberately.:)

    I believe he knew if he threw the knee it was illegal and Rivera wouldn't be defending it but threw it anyway.

    That doesn't really qualify as pre-meditated though. For it to count as pre-meditated it would have to be something he planned to do before the situation arose, ie before the fight even started.
    If he merely chose to take advantage of the opportunity when it arose, that means its a deliberate and scummy move, but not premeditated.


  • #203
    cactus jack
    Closed Accounts Posts: 256 ✭✭cactus jack


    before i go on let me just state i cannot stand bisping. however, looking at the knee he throws it as rivera moves the knee off the ground for a fraction of a second. when it connects it is back down. i was wondering if the same idea applies to this that applies to a punch thrown to the back of the head that the receipient has turned his head into? that being that when the strike was initiated it's thrown at a legal area or situated opponent but then the opponent moves into a situation that makes it illegal it is at the his/her own risk and not deemed an illegal blow?


  • #204
    Ush1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,466 ✭✭✭✭Ush1


    The Bored One wrote: »
    That doesn't really qualify as pre-meditated though. For it to count as pre-meditated it would have to be something he planned to do before the situation arose, ie before the fight even started.
    If he merely chose to take advantage of the opportunity when it arose, that means its a deliberate and scummy move, but not premeditated.

    If you look at the definition it does qualify as premeditated. Maybe just move on from this anyway...


  • #205
    The Bored One
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 396 ✭✭The Bored One


    Ush1 wrote: »
    If you look at the definition it does qualify as premeditated. Maybe just move on from this anyway...

    I have looked at the definition, deliberation is only part of it, it also mentions pre-planning. Its part of why most cases of assault that end in death are ruled as manslaughter instead of murder, it has to have been decided upon outside of the moment itself.

    I'm happy to let it go now though, let us resume speaking of Bisping being a twat.
    Although I think Miller's team will have fared better overall in the series, I don't see Miller beating Bisping in the Finale.


  • #206
    pauldoo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 641 ✭✭✭pauldoo


    Maybe we can move on from discussing rubbish!

    Bisping showed his class yet again in this episode, has to be one of the biggest dicks in sports. I would love miller to beat him but i think it will be bisping using his footwork and kickboxing to get a points victory.

    Talk of a title shot from ed soares is comical, bisping has never beaten anyone at a top level, the 3 times he has fought a top opponent he has lost, henderson, silva and Evans. Akiyama should have taken him but tried to knock him out instead


  • #207
    MrStuffins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,483 ✭✭✭✭MrStuffins


    Wow, Michael Bisping continues to cover himself in glory this week!

    Can you imagine a scenario where Chael beat Silva and they stuck Bisping in against him? How much fun would that be?

    Chael would become the biggest and most popular star in the sport!


  • #208
    El Guapo!
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,440 ✭✭✭✭El Guapo!


    Once again Bisping proves that he is a díckhead. I loved it when Ryan Parsons had a go at him.
    The rant Bisping had at the fight announcement showed what an idiot he is.
    I wonder what'll happen next week with the injury to Delorme. From the clip of next weeks episode it looks like it got worse and he couldn't possibly fight with that foot.


  • #209
    Logical Fallacy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Wow, Michael Bisping continues to cover himself in glory this week!

    Can you imagine a scenario where Chael beat Silva and they stuck Bisping in against him? How much fun would that be?

    Chael would become the biggest and most popular star in the sport!

    Bisping better hope Silva beats Chael. In some parallel universe somewhere Bisping lands a shot on Silva's chin. No universe exists where Sonnen doesn't grapple **** him to death.


  • #210
    cactus jack
    Closed Accounts Posts: 256 ✭✭cactus jack


    as strange as it would be & the questions that may arise from it i somehow think a lot of people would get great enjoyment of watching sonnen "grapple **** him to death"


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  • #211
    Ian Whelan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 599 ✭✭✭Ian Whelan


    I don't know what "grapple ****" is, but I think I'd like to see Sonnen do it to Bisping. Diego Brandao looked very good last night. I'm making my prediction now: Brandao v Corassani in the featherweight finale.


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