Post-natal depression is a myth.

Kaneda_ · 22-10-2011 05:52PM #1

Women are simply not allowed to admit to themselves or others that they are depressed about being mothers.Unlike decisions about career, where to live, who to marry, etc, this one cannot be undone. Some find it hard to cope with the changes it brings, feeling like the experience did not live up to expectations manufactured and promoted by society. This creates cognitive dissonance and eventually depression.

All people experience major distress, sadness, and anxiety at various points in their lives. Post-natal depression is no different than any other major form of depression.We feel it when we lose our jobs, have loved ones die, and when life becomes overwhelming. But this particular depression is fueled by a decision that a woman is not permitted to regret and cannot take back.It is done.Final.

There is only DEPRESSION. No need to create a special label that only exists because saying "I REGRET THIS DECISION!" is not acceptable in a society that promotes motherhood as some magical transcendent experience.Not the case for everyone and we need to acknowledge that. For some it is a cause of considerable pain, regret, and emotional turmoil.

woodoo · 22-10-2011 05:53PM

Are you a doctor?

Miss Olenska · 22-10-2011 05:53PM

Kaneda_ wrote: »

Women are simply not allowed to admit to themselves or others that they are depressed about being mothers.Unlike decisions about career, where to live, who to marry, etc, this one cannot be undone. Some find it hard to cope with the changes it brings, feeling like the experience did not live up to expectations manufactured and promoted by society. This creates cognitive dissonance and eventually depression.

All people experience major distress, sadness, and anxiety at various points in their lives. Post-natal depression is no different than any other major form of depression.We feel it when we lose our jobs, have loved ones die, and when life becomes overwhelming. But this particular depression is fueled by a decision that a woman is not permitted to regret and cannot take back.It is done.Final.

There is only DEPRESSION. No need to create a special label that only exists because saying "I REGRET THIS DECISION!" is not acceptable in a society that promotes motherhood as some magical transcendent experience.Not the case for everyone and we need to acknowledge that. For some it is a cause of considerable pain, regret, and emotional turmoil.

Tom? Is that you?

subway · 22-10-2011 05:54PM

That's what your ma said?

Kaneda_ · 22-10-2011 05:54PM

woodoo wrote: »

Are you a doctor?

A dentist.

woodoo · 22-10-2011 05:57PM

Kaneda_ wrote: »

A dentist.

Psychiatrists most likely know more than you and they prob differ.

Barrt2 · 22-10-2011 05:59PM

Kaneda_ wrote: »

Women are simply not allowed to admit to themselves or others that they are depressed about being mothers.Unlike decisions about career, where to live, who to marry, etc, this one cannot be undone. Some find it hard to cope with the changes it brings, feeling like the experience did not live up to expectations manufactured and promoted by society. This creates cognitive dissonance and eventually depression.

All people experience major distress, sadness, and anxiety at various points in their lives. Post-natal depression is no different than any other major form of depression.We feel it when we lose our jobs, have loved ones die, and when life becomes overwhelming. But this particular depression is fueled by a decision that a woman is not permitted to regret and cannot take back.It is done.Final.

There is only DEPRESSION. No need to create a special label that only exists because saying "I REGRET THIS DECISION!" is not acceptable in a society that promotes motherhood as some magical transcendent experience.Not the case for everyone and we need to acknowledge that. For some it is a cause of considerable pain, regret, and emotional turmoil.

Really could not agree more.

MungBean · 22-10-2011 05:59PM

Probably better off in humanities if your looking for serious discussion on this.

I'm not doctor but I'd have thought it would be different to other types of depression and thats why its labelled differently.

A woman with post natal depression would not display the same symptoms as a women with depression due to financial stress. But would display similar symptoms with other women who are developed depression after giving birth.

I doubt its as easy as "they are depressed because they regret it".

Biggins · 22-10-2011 06:00PM

Kaneda_ wrote: »

Women are simply not allowed to admit to themselves or others that they are depressed about being mothers.Unlike decisions about career, where to live, who to marry, etc, this one cannot be undone. Some find it hard to cope with the changes it brings, feeling like the experience did not live up to expectations manufactured and promoted by society. This creates cognitive dissonance and eventually depression.

All people experience major distress, sadness, and anxiety at various points in their lives. Post-natal depression is no different than any other major form of depression.We feel it when we lose our jobs, have loved ones die, and when life becomes overwhelming. But this particular depression is fueled by a decision that a woman is not permitted to regret and cannot take back.It is done. Final.

There is only DEPRESSION. No need to create a special label that only exists because saying "I REGRET THIS DECISION!" is not acceptable in a society that promotes motherhood as some magical transcendent experience.Not the case for everyone and we need to acknowledge that. For some it is a cause of considerable pain, regret, and emotional turmoil.

And your qualified to say this stuff for sure how exactly?

I disagree with you.

woodoo · 22-10-2011 06:00PM

Is their a hormonal change after giving birth.

TheyKnowMyIP · 22-10-2011 06:00PM

The entire field of Psychiatry is in severe disarray already. http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/12/ff_dsmv/

“there is no definition of a mental disorder. It’s bull****. I mean, you just can’t define it.” - Allen Frances, lead author of the DSM

If Psychiatry wants to maintain any credability, it should merge with a real science, like Neurology.

pragmatic1 · 22-10-2011 06:04PM

TheyKnowMyIP wrote: »

The entire field of Psychiatry is in severe disarray already. http://www.wired.com/magazine/2010/12/ff_dsmv/

“there is no definition of a mental disorder. It’s bull****. I mean, you just can’t define it.” - Allen Frances, lead author of the DSM

If Psychiatry wants to maintain any credability, it should merge with a real science, like Neurology.

Whatever about psychiatry, psychology is at best a pseudoscience.

kelle · 22-10-2011 06:04PM

You have obviously never suffered from PND because if you did you'd bloody well know all about it! How can you refer to it as "only depression"??? It is nothing to do with regretting having the child and being unable to turn the clock back.

Such a statement is an insult to families like those of my colleague whose cousin ended up committing suicide as a result of it.

Maybe you believe cancer is "only in the mind" too.

Abi · 22-10-2011 06:04PM

Biggins wrote: »

And your qualified to say this stuff for sure how exactly?

I disagree with you.

Might be time to click on that ignore button again Biggins. This little beauty also came from the maker of "people that have children under 30 waste their lives".

TheyKnowMyIP · 22-10-2011 06:07PM

kelle wrote: »

You have obviously never suffered from PND because if you did you'd bloody well know all about it! How can you refer to it as "only depression"??? It is nothing to do with regretting having the child and being unable to turn the clock back.

Such a statement is an insult to families like those of my colleague whose cousin ended up committing suicide as a result of it.

Maybe you believe cancer is "only in the mind" too.

How to you account for the lead author of that diagnostic criteria basically saying it's fake? I mean this guy literally wrote the book on mental illness, yet he is denouncing it as nonsense. Who to believe?

Cancer is a tangible disease pathogen. Post Natal Depression is about as descriptive as suffering from "the clap"

Biggins · 22-10-2011 06:09PM

Abi wrote: »

Might be time to click on that ignore button again Biggins. This little beauty also came from the maker of "people that have children under 30 waste their lives".

Yes, there certainly seems to be a chip on the shoulder, an attitude to aspects of others personal life's that stinks and in all, disagrees with what I have found to be very different in real life.

Piglet85 · 22-10-2011 06:09PM

Kaneda_ wrote: »

Women are simply not allowed to admit to themselves or others that they are depressed about being mothers.Unlike decisions about career, where to live, who to marry, etc, this one cannot be undone. Some find it hard to cope with the changes it brings, feeling like the experience did not live up to expectations manufactured and promoted by society. This creates cognitive dissonance and eventually depression.

All people experience major distress, sadness, and anxiety at various points in their lives. Post-natal depression is no different than any other major form of depression.We feel it when we lose our jobs, have loved ones die, and when life becomes overwhelming. But this particular depression is fueled by a decision that a woman is not permitted to regret and cannot take back.It is done.Final.

There is only DEPRESSION. No need to create a special label that only exists because saying "I REGRET THIS DECISION!" is not acceptable in a society that promotes motherhood as some magical transcendent experience.Not the case for everyone and we need to acknowledge that. For some it is a cause of considerable pain, regret, and emotional turmoil.

What bollocks. I take it you've never heard of hormones, then? :rolleyes:

I bet you have no trouble believing that PMS is real, though.

chucken1 · 22-10-2011 06:14PM

Abi wrote: »

Might be time to click on that ignore button again Biggins. This little beauty also came from the maker of "people that have children under 30 waste their lives".

..and dont forget "a tax paying adult is more important than a child" ...;)

acfan · 22-10-2011 06:15PM

Don't ya just love it when people with little or no adequate medical (and when I say medical I mean a doctor or a nurse....not a dentist!) experience make ridiculous, extreme remarks which can only serve to upset people.

Clearly you have never encountered a patient who has suffered from PND, if you had you wouldn't ever be so insensitive as to post your opinion about their illness in a public forum.

kincsem · 22-10-2011 06:15PM

A lot of statements from the op. Do you have facts / stats to support them?

emzolita · 22-10-2011 06:17PM

I think OP just likes posting controversial topics to get a reaction.
"If i was to have a child,i would not be willing to die for it.
I was the one who gave the child life,so the child owes me life,so it must die."

Kaneda, you can't possibly claim to know such "facts" about psychology related things, if you've never suffered PND also, if you're a dentist.

OutlawPete · 22-10-2011 06:17PM

All hail the Thetans.

ejmaztec · 22-10-2011 06:21PM

I'm in awe of the resident mental-health experts.

TheyKnowMyIP · 22-10-2011 06:23PM

Nobody has the balls to address the statement made by the man who basically wrote the book on mental illness denouncing the entire field as a sham. These so called "illnesses" should be observed under a neurological scope. Basic guesswork, throwing pills, and humming and hawing to reach a diagnosis is not science, it's at best, protoscience.

Psychiatry will fall if these extremly serious concerns aren't addressed. Mark my words.

AckwelFoley · 22-10-2011 06:25PM

Ladies and gentlemen,

This is he reason that depressed people go to a doctor and get help rather than going to a plumber or a dentist.

opinion guy · 22-10-2011 06:27PM

Kaneda_ wrote: »

A dentist.

you've been smoking too much mercury friend

pragmatic1 wrote: »

Whatever about psychiatry, psychology is at best a pseudoscience.

You got that wrong way around.

TheyKnowMyIP · 22-10-2011 06:33PM

Psychology does not pretend to be a science. Like Philosophy. Philosophy is an art that has great use. I have much respect for certain branches of Philosophy that extend to mathematical and logical thinking. Psychology I don't know enough about to reach a conclusion.

Psychiatry is a whole different matter. It's wishfull thinking masquerading as legitimate scientific enquiry:mad: A pill pushing exercise in lining the pockets of Big Pharma. There is a sea of credible evidence to support my statements. Google is your friend.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/health/2011/0920/1224304402832.html

stupidfishy · 22-10-2011 06:33PM

Mr Kaneda, what you have just said...is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard.
At no point in you rambling, incoherent post were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.
Everyone on this board is now dumber for having read it.
I award you no thanks, and may God have mercy on your soul.

Frowzy · 22-10-2011 06:33PM

When you've shoved a watermelon out your arse, fed it with your tits, not had a nights sleep in weeks and consider black sh1t normal while keeping a house and trying to explain to your husband why you're not quite ready to satisfy his needs, come back and talk to me.

Trolling is one thing, but a sexist arrogant one deserves a ban!

Biggins · 22-10-2011 06:37PM

Kaneda_ wrote: »

Women are simply not allowed to admit to themselves or others that they are depressed about being mothers.

Say's who? Please back-up that claim!

Kaneda_ wrote: »

Some find it hard to cope with the changes it brings, feeling like the experience did not live up to expectations manufactured and promoted by society.

This sounds like a rambling too general paragraph taken from a Scientology book to be honest!

But analytic reading of the above, I would say in retort that because that PARTICULAR situation might arise - the consequences might bring about a form of depression that is a reflection/result of the above.
...Which by the way, blows the OP's crap out of the water!

Kaneda_ wrote: »

This creates cognitive dissonance and eventually depression.

Well no schite Sherlock!

Kaneda_ wrote: »

All people experience major distress, sadness, and anxiety at various points in their lives.

"Calling Captain Obvious, calling Captain Obvious..."

Kaneda_ wrote: »

Post-natal depression is no different than any other major form of depression.

An opinion. One however backed up by fcuk all proof.

Kaneda_ wrote: »

We feel it when we lose our jobs, have loved ones die, and when life becomes overwhelming.

Captain Obvious is having his work cut out!

Kaneda_ wrote: »

But this particular depression is fueled by a decision that a woman is not permitted to regret and cannot take back.It is done.Final.

O' so you now admit this particular depression (which might be different!) is just based around regrets and NOTHING else?
Absolute bollocks, your attempting to say all reason why a woman who has given birth is only depressed for one reason - you haven't a clue about how many reasons why a woman might be depressed in that situation, not a fcuking clue! A total fcuked-up uneducated misrepresentation of a situation that I suspect the OP has never found themselves in - but hey, they found a text somewhere to espouse this crap!

Kaneda_ wrote: »

There is only DEPRESSION.

Again, absolute bollocks!

Kaneda_ wrote: »

No need to create a special label that only exists because saying "I REGRET THIS DECISION!" is not acceptable in a society that promotes motherhood as some magical transcendent experience.

* Here is catch-all "regret" schite again!
* Please point out the promotions that is espousing a "magical transcendent experience"... Links? Proof?

Kaneda_ wrote: »

Not the case for everyone and we need to acknowledge that.

Well no schite - some things might be different? Thats a u-turn!

Kaneda_ wrote: »

For some it is a cause of considerable pain, regret, and emotional turmoil.

Even Captain Obvious is depressed now!

The above is only my own opinion based on real life contact, decades of experience, talking to the depressed and working with them through their problems. Being a sufferer of depression and working with depression organisations too.

pragmatic1 · 22-10-2011 06:37PM

opinion guy wrote: »

You got that wrong way around.

Sigmund Freud and psychoanalysis? At least in psychiatry theres an acknowledgement of the biological basis of mental illnesses. Psychology isnt a science in any way.

Post-natal depression is a myth.

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