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  • #512
    Mr Alan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Evra had a very good game. You're not helping yourself with that ****e talk.


  • #513
    flahavaj
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    michael999999 wrote: »
    Apart from getting the run around for the previous hour?

    Evra had his best game in months and months.


  • #514
    michael999999
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    flahavaj wrote: »
    You have been absolutely adamant from day one that the cameras would have caught Suarez making racist taunts at Evra, Al.

    Should there not equally be evidence of him jeering his wife or nationality then if thats your explanation? Its the same cameras looking at teh same players on the same pitch, only now the nature of the abuse suits your agenda........
    In fairness he is only repeating what Evra was so adament about on the french tv station!


  • #515
    Blatter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    michael999999 wrote: »
    Apart from getting the run around for the previous hour?

    If you ever want to be taken seriously in a debate, you need to learn to be able to engage constructively.

    You do nothing but embarrass yourself here and while you think your helping, you probably only serve to píss off your fellow Liverpool supporters tbh.


  • #516
    Mr Alan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    flahavaj wrote: »
    You have been absolutely adamant from day one that the cameras would have caught Suarez making racist taunts at Evra, Al.

    Should there not equally be evidence of him jeering his wife or nationality then if thats your explanation? Its the same cameras looking at teh same players on the same pitch, only now the nature of the abuse suits your agenda........

    Well you see Evra has said that he called him an abusive term (presumably ****** or monkey or whatever) at least 10 times. That would & should be easily picked up, as the Marcello/Busquets incident which was only a couple of instances of abuse, was.

    Also Evra did say it was clearly visible.

    And him jeering his wife/national team etc is not my explanation, it was a response to you saying that there was no possible motive for Evra inventing the accusations.

    Truth is the ball is in Evra's court as people have said. He either needs to retract his accusation or to prove it.


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  • #517
    flahavaj
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    michael999999 wrote: »
    In fairness he is only repeating what Evra was so adament about on the french tv station!

    Then it appears you all agree that Suarez should very easily be able to use video evidence to show that anyting he said on camera was not racist in nature.


  • #518
    flahavaj
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    Well you see Evra has said that he called him an abusive term (presumably ****** or monkey or whatever) at least 10 times. That would & should be easily picked up, as the Marcello/Busquets incident which was only a couple of instances of abuse, was.

    And him jeering his wife/national team etc is not my explanation, it was a response to you saying that there was no possible notice for Evra inventing the accusations.

    What is your explanation for how irate Evra got then?


  • #519
    killwill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,785 ✭✭✭killwill


    michael999999 wrote: »
    Apart from getting the run around for the previous hour?

    I thought Evra had a good first hour tbh. His primary job as a defender is to prevent goals. It was nil all at that stage wasn't it?


  • #520
    michael999999
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    flahavaj wrote: »
    Then it appears you all agree that Suarez should very easily be able to use video evidence to show that anyting he said on camera was not racist in nature.
    Suarez does not have to prove hes innocence, Evra made the accusations he now needs to back it up! Simple really!


  • #521
    flahavaj
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    michael999999 wrote: »
    Suarez does not have to prove hes innocence, Evra made the accusations he now needs to back it up! Simple really!

    If I was accused in the wrong of someting vile like racism then I'd want to prove my innocence any way I could. I he first thing I'd do is come clean on exactly what had actually been said in any on-field "banter" that had occured.


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  • #522
    Mr Alan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    flahavaj wrote: »
    What is your explanation for how irate Evra got then?

    Flah, it really is massively irrelevant.

    You are dangerously close to saying that Suarez needs to prove his innocence here on the basis that the player some fans call 'mad paddy', got mad!


  • #523
    flahavaj
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    Flah, it really is massively irrelevant.

    It certainly is not. What we know and can see from the footage is:

    Evra gets massivley irate.

    Complains after game he was abused racially.

    Says it should be visible on camera.

    If he's lying then something else was said to him to casue such anger. If Suarez tells what he did actualy say then maybe they can go back to the footage and try to verify his claim. it would go a long way towards clearing his name surely?


  • #524
    Mr Alan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    He didnt even get that angry tbh, it's being overstated by Utd fans in an effort to build a case against Suarez. No one saw it as anything other than handbags at the time. The kind we see every weekend in matches.


  • #525
    michael999999
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


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    About a minute in lads, can Evra explain this?


  • #526
    Mr Alan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    flahavaj wrote: »
    it would go a long way towards clearing his name surely?

    Read the edit I made to the post a few above. You have this scarily backwards & your opinion seems to becoming more hardline as the days go by casting further doubt on Evras allegations.


  • #527
    Blatter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    flahavaj wrote: »
    Indeed. To me he comes out of that incident as the good guy tbh! When it would have been easy and suited his case not to do so, he went and told the truth anyway. So in fact he has previous hostory of honesty in such cases not of telling lies!!!! We should be thanking all the Liverpool fans for posting such a nice example of his good character!!!

    A lot of people who had originally thought that Evra had made the accusations of racial abuse at Stamford Bridge (that were cleared) used it as a stick to beat Evra's character with.

    Yet, it's funny that the same people have failed to give Evra credit for the honesty he showed during the process when he said he didn't hear any racial abuse directed towards him, when he so easily could have claimed to in order to back up his fellow employees.


  • #528
    flahavaj
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    Read the edit I made to the post a few above. You have this scarily backwards & your opinion seems to becoming more hardline as the days go by casting further doubt on Evras allegations.

    I read it.

    I'm merely saying that Evra's mentioning of the camera make little or no sense if he's lying, none at all - and its a point I haven't seen anyone raise on here as of yet. And its a point to which the standard reply "he's a bit mad" is pretty weak to my mind.


  • #529
    monkey9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,337 ✭✭✭✭monkey9


    flahavaj wrote: »
    It certainly is not. What we know and can see from the footage is:

    Evra gets massivley irate.

    Complains after game he was abused racially.

    Says it should be visible on camera.

    If he's lying then something else was said to him to casue such anger. If Suarez tells what he did actualy say then maybe they can go back to the footage and try to verify his claim. it would go a long way towards clearing his name surely?

    Suarez doesn't have to do anything!! Evra's made the claim, he has to back it up. He's already said he's seen footage of Suarez racially abusing him and that it can be clearly lip read!


  • #530
    killwill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,785 ✭✭✭killwill


    michael999999 wrote: »
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    About a minute in lads, can Evra explain this?

    It was a clear, intentional foul. Read Blatter's post on the last page.


  • #531
    Blatter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    michael999999 wrote: »
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    About a minute in lads, can Evra explain this?


    I'd bow out now if I was you Michael, before you embarrass yourself any further.


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  • #532
    monkey9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,337 ✭✭✭✭monkey9


    flahavaj wrote: »
    I read it.

    I'm merely saying that Evra's mentioning of the camera make little or no sense if he's lying, none at all - and its a point I haven't seen anyone raise on here as of yet. And its a point to which the standard reply "he's a bit mad" is pretty weak to my mind.

    Yep, it wouldn't make sense at all. So we await the footage!!


  • #533
    michael999999
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,771 ✭✭✭michael999999


    Blatter wrote: »
    I'd bow out now if I was you Michael, before you embarrass yourself any further.
    Evras the one embarassing himself! Time to put up or shut up!


  • #534
    Mr Alan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    Blatter wrote: »
    he so easily could have claimed to in order to back up his fellow employees.

    it's not quite that simple, those charges had already been ruined when the Utd coaching staffed contradicted eachother about the remarks. The racial angle was a sinking ship.

    However, when the fracas was being reported in the media in the weeks after including the racial angle, he never made any public statement to stop this guy being tarred with an accusation Evra KNEW wasn't true.

    If Utd fans are weirdly gonna try & make Evras involvement in that incident a 'positive', it has to be pointed out that Evra allowed that bloke be tarred a racist when he knew it wasn't true.


  • #535
    Bodhisopha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,068 ✭✭✭Bodhisopha


    Have you all reached an agreement yet?


  • #536
    flahavaj
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    monkey9 wrote: »
    Suarez doesn't have to do anything!! Evra's made the claim, he has to back it up. He's already said he's seen footage of Suarez racially abusing him and that it can be clearly lip read!

    He would be monumentally stupid not to try and do everything he can to clear his name.

    I severely doubt Evra said in French he has seen video evidence himself. It would make no sense at all. I suspect something has been lost in translation there.


  • #537
    Mr Alan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,372 ✭✭✭✭Mr Alan


    LOL lost in translation now! :rolleyes:

    It was 2 or 3 sentences Flah, I seriously doubt they were mistranslated throughout the worlds press.

    You really are getting desperate now.


  • #538
    flahavaj
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,235 ✭✭✭✭flahavaj


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    LOL lost in translation now! :rolleyes:

    It was 2 or 3 sentences Flah, I seriously doubt they were mistranslated throughout the worlds press.

    You really are getting desperate now.

    You continue to hang your entire argument on some comments made by an angry men in French to a TV station which will most likely not be even looked at in the official investigation. The longer you keep fixating on these quotes the more desperate you look tbh.


  • #539
    Blatter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,832 ✭✭✭✭Blatter


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    LOL lost in translation now! :rolleyes:

    It was 2 or 3 sentences Flah, I seriously doubt they were mistranslated throughout the worlds press.

    You really are getting desperate now.

    Ha, the irony! You've smacked of desperation throughout this thread:pac:


  • #540
    amiable
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,206 ✭✭✭✭amiable


    Mr Alan wrote: »
    LOL lost in translation now! :rolleyes:

    It was 2 or 3 sentences Flah, I seriously doubt they were mistranslated throughout the worlds press.

    You really are getting desperate now.
    If someone can provide a link to the canal + footage i'll genuinely translate it


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  • #541
    Paparazzo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,397 ✭✭✭Paparazzo


    Bodhisopha wrote: »
    Have you all reached an agreement yet?

    I think it's something along the lines of:
    If you're a liverpool fan, Evra is making false allegations and should be punished.
    If you're a united fan, suarez is racist.

    From football 365:
    However, what if it was just a big misunderstanding? It's not out of the question, after all. It was a heated conversation between a man playing in England whose first language is French, and another man playing in England whose first language is Spanish.

    Surely, it is not out of the realms of possibility that some wires got crossed, and the word Evra thought he heard was in fact something perhaps aggressive, but not necessarily racist? It's easy to scoff at the idea of a misunderstanding, but can we really expect absolute clarity between two men talking in non-native tongue, in a highly-pressured game with 40,000 people screaming at them?


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