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Melion · 16-10-2011 06:47PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

How incredibly disingenuous, this post shows clearly how honestly you have approached this thread. Bolding yours, and below is a quote from the Chelsea incident:

Frankly, you are embarrassing yourself here.

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Blatter · 16-10-2011 06:48PM

monkey9 wrote: »

Maybe not, but then you'd have to question his reliability on the allegations he's made against Suarez in general.

Yeah I agree it's not the smartest thing to say if it's not true but it would be silly to entirely dismiss his claims that he was racially abused based on it, like Mr Alan has already decided to do.

Mr Alan · 16-10-2011 06:48PM

#15 wrote: »

It won't be easy to prove if Suarez just said it into his ear, under his breath.

This is not what Evra said though?!

Hedman · 16-10-2011 06:48PM

monkey9 wrote: »

claims he made before

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-EY554Ogaw

DOC09UNAM · 16-10-2011 06:48PM

Just because you can't prove something happened, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

It really is a simple concept to understand, I don't see how people aren't grasping it.

ilovelamp2000 · 16-10-2011 06:48PM

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

Is that currently being investigated by the FA and such a serious clam:rolleyes: ridiculous post.

MUFC are the better than all the rest btw

1. People can talk about whatever they like regardless of who is investigating what. It isn't going to effect the outcome.

2. I'm not sure what shellfish have to do with anything.

FYG · 16-10-2011 06:49PM

monkey9 wrote: »

It's f*ck all to do with Suarez being accused of racism though by a player who's been found unreliable by the FA in claims he made before

He never ever claimed he was racially abused before!

monkey9 · 16-10-2011 06:49PM

#15 wrote: »

It won't be easy to prove if Suarez just said it into his ear, under his breath.

The ref will only have Evra's word to go on, and the cameras won't have picked it up, no matter what Evra thinks or says about the effectiveness of modern camera technology.

So we're back to the first point. It probably won't be proven either way.

Well it must be pretty effective if Evra says you can see Suarez calling him the same name ten times!! Once this surfaces and is proved, the FA can then ban Suarez!

ilovelamp2000 · 16-10-2011 06:50PM

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Just because you can't prove something happened, doesn't mean it didn't happen.

It really is a simple concept to understand, I don't see how people aren't grasping it.

Equally just because someone says something happened, it doesn't mean it did actually happen.

Hedman · 16-10-2011 06:50PM

BERBA wrote: »

Suarez wasnt too worried about the millions from Ghana when he decided to play goalkeeper at last world cup. Moral and professional reputation you say:rolleyes:

I'd expect any player to do the exact same thing.

DOC09UNAM · 16-10-2011 06:50PM

FYG wrote: »

He never ever claimed he was racially abused before!

Actually, he has, he claimed he was racially abused by Senegalese people after deciding to play for France.

Mr Alan · 16-10-2011 06:50PM

Blatter wrote: »

like Mr Alan has already decided to do.

I've always felt that people should be presumed innocent until proven to be guilty. I'm a stickler for stuff like that.

The only conclusion I've jumped to is that Evra has made up the accusations as I've yet to be shown a single piece of evidence to suggest there is any substance to the allegations.

If such evidence materialises, I'll retract & admit I was wrong to think he was lying.

#15 · 16-10-2011 06:51PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

This is not what Evra said though?!

There is a good chance that

the cameras won't have picked it up, no matter what Evra thinks or says about the effectiveness of modern camera technology.

However, maybe Evra has seen the footage, and has pinpointed the moment when Suarez said it. I hope that's the case, but I don't think Suarez is silly enough to loudly proclaim the slurs for all to hear and see.

FYG · 16-10-2011 06:51PM

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Actually, he has, he claimed he was racially abused by Senegalese people after deciding to play for France.

Fair enough, but not while playing in the Premier League as was said in the post I quoted.

DOC09UNAM · 16-10-2011 06:51PM

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

Equally just because someone says something happened, it doesn't mean it did actually happen.

I completely agree, and if it is found out, that Evra lied about it, then the book should be thrown at him.

But even in the Busquetts incident vs Marcelo, he was found innocent, when he was so obviously guilty, so the result doesn't always reflect the actuality of the incident.

monkey9 · 16-10-2011 06:52PM

FYG wrote: »

He never ever claimed he was racially abused before!

I didn'y say he did!

ilovelamp2000 · 16-10-2011 06:53PM

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

I completely agree, and if it is found out, that Evra lied about it, then the book should be thrown at him.

But even in the Busquetts incident vs Marcelo, he was found innocent, when he was so obviously guilty, so the result doesn't always reflect the actuality of the incident.

True. But let's not let logic and reason creep into this thread.

Alan is on a roll.

tommyhaas · 16-10-2011 06:54PM

Fuhrer wrote: »

Hilariously really.

One player with a history of scummy behaviour is accused of using racial slurs against another and all the Liverpool fans care about is how to discredit and punish the accuser.

That's not true. The issue is that it would seem a bit strange that in a stadium of 45,000 people with numerous TV cameras, that the only person to have noticed Suarez's numerous racial remarks was Evra

You're complaining about Liverpool fans trying to discredit Evra, while in the same post you try to discredit Suarez and paint him as someone who would make racial remarks with your reference to scummy behaviour, which as far as I can see stems from one single incident

There's a few players in the Utd squad, who like Suarez have been involved in some pretty disgusting behaviour, however this hardly makes them any more likely to be racist , then it does Suarez

Cypher_sounds · 16-10-2011 06:55PM

ilovelamp2000 wrote: »

1. People can talk about whatever they like regardless of who is investigating what. It isn't going to effect the outcome.

2. I'm not sure what shellfish have to do with anything.

I just believe such a serious allegation like racism shouldn't be discussed until the outcome is known and we have facts. Then we can say whether or not if the accuser should be punished if he wrongly made the claims.

Not sure what shellfish have to do with anything either

#15 · 16-10-2011 06:55PM

Mr Alan wrote: »

I've always felt that people should be presumed innocent until proven to be guilty. I'm a stickler for stuff like that.

But not a stickler for giving the allegation due time to be proven.

If you were really a stickler, you'd be presuming innocence and adopting a wait and see attitude.

Not presuming innocence and calling the accuser a liar and mentally unstable.

So you're not really a stickler for all elements of the process. Just the elements that suit your particular view.

FYG · 16-10-2011 06:55PM

monkey9 wrote: »

I didn'y say he did!

What "claims" are you talking about so?

DOC09UNAM · 16-10-2011 06:56PM

tommyhaas wrote: »

That's not true. The issue is that it would seem a bit strange that in a stadium of 45,000 people with numerous TV cameras, that the only person to have noticed Suarez's numerous racial remarks was Evra

You're complaining about Liverpool fans trying to discredit Evra, while in the same post you try to discredit Suarez and paint him as someone who would make racial remarks with your reference to scummy behaviour, which as far as I can see stems from one single incident

There's a few players in the Utd squad, who like Suarez have been involved in some pretty disgusting behaviour, however this hardly makes them any more likely to be racist , then it does Suarez

Disgusting behaviour?

Load of bollocks imo.

So what, he handled the ball on the line to keep his country in the World Cup, I would have done it, anyone would have done it.

Biting someone, over the top, yeah, but shít happens in the heat of the moment, wouldn't say he has a history of disgusting behaviour really.

FYG · 16-10-2011 06:58PM

Cypher_sounds wrote: »

Not sure what shellfish have to do with anything either

He was trying to be smart. :rolleyes:

You said "clam" instead of "claim".

16-10-2011 06:59PM

Can't believe Suarez's handball for Uraguay is being brought up.

For the record Kanchelkis did the same for Utd in a League cup final and Robbie Keane did the same for Spurs a few years ago. Both were sent off.

Some people have short memories :cool:

Any player would do it ffs.

Chucky the tree · 16-10-2011 06:59PM

So the majority of Liverpool fans posting here think Marcelo should have been punished for claiming Busquests racial abused him?

Mr Alan · 16-10-2011 07:02PM

#15 wrote: »

There is a good chance that the cameras won't have picked it up, no matter what Evra thinks or says about the effectiveness of modern camera technology.

In which case, if Evra has told the world that evidence exists which does not, he should be held accountable for frivilous accusations of such severity, what part of that are you not getting?

Cypher_sounds · 16-10-2011 07:03PM

FYG wrote: »

He was trying to be smart. :rolleyes:

You said "clam" instead of "claim".

Ah i see, was wondering what the hell that was all about, I didn't even see his post before i edited it, hate misspelling things.

tommyhaas · 16-10-2011 07:03PM

DOC09UNAM wrote: »

Disgusting behaviour?

Load of bollocks imo.

So what, he handled the ball on the line to keep his country in the World Cup, I would have done it, anyone would have done it.

Biting someone, over the top, yeah, but shít happens in the heat of the moment, wouldn't say he has a history of disgusting behaviour really.

That was my point, I don't know where people are getting this history of disgusting behaviour thing, he was involved in one incident that could be described as disgusting behaviour, the bite. Thats it

jaykay74 · 16-10-2011 07:04PM

It disgraceful some of the lies being spouted by liverpool fans and liverpool centric journos about Evras credibility. 3rd time lucky, Oh Evra is crying wolf again. I'II wait for the FA report before I comment on Suarez. No rush to judgement from me. Keep throwing the mud at Evra though. I'm sure plenty will stick.

tommyhaas · 16-10-2011 07:05PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

So the majority of Liverpool fans posting here think Marcelo should have been punished for claiming Busquests racial abused him?

I don't know how you've come to the conclusion that a majority would favour that

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