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5live · 14-10-2011 07:00PM

From

to

to :eek:. Finally got my milk test results back today after the first were lost in the lab.

BVD was negative so

:D:D

IBR was 89 with a target of below 55 so it confirmed what i had thought all along so i was:(

Then the bombshell.... liverfluke at 265 :eek::eek: with a target of below 150. Nearly fell on my a**e on the floor. First year without fascinex to the cows during the winter and the level jumped from under 100. This after a double fluke dose, one at drying off and another at calving.

Really up s**t creek now as it will cost about 2k between the dose and milk withdrawl or do i wait till i dry off in 2 months. Must sit down and have a chat with the genius that decided to stop fluke treatment on dairy cows:mad:

whelan1 · 14-10-2011 07:08PM

i do all cows at drying off with either albex or endospec.. i hate hate hate that we cant use injectables

just do it · 14-10-2011 08:01PM

My own little invention. €2 rather than €x00!

Use a fence pole tied at one side. Catch the cows head in the head gate. Scoop up her head with the fence pole and tie in place. Dose her. Works really well and less hardship for the cow. I'd to do my sucklers for rumen fluke and that is only available in dose as well:(

whelan1 · 14-10-2011 08:04PM

if you meet a deer on the road what would you do? , no silly crap plaese had 3 kids in the car

Bizzum · 14-10-2011 08:06PM

just do it wrote: »

My own little invention. €2 rather than €x00!

Use a fence pole tied at one side. Catch the cows head in the head gate. Scoop up her head with the fence pole and tie in place. Dose her. Works really well and less hardship for the cow. I'd to do my sucklers for rumen fluke and that is only available in dose as well:(

No matter what you pay, the law of the lever will apply!:)

Bizzum · 14-10-2011 08:07PM

whelan1 wrote: »

if you meet a deer on the road what would you do? , no silly crap plaese had 3 kids in the car

A live deer? Nothing, only show the kids the deer!

just do it · 14-10-2011 08:08PM

whelan1 wrote: »

if you meet a deer on the road what would you do? , no silly crap plaese had 3 kids in the car

Hmm, all depends. Do you mean in the case where you've to make a split second decision to hit it or avoid it? There's a lot of variables. First and foremost on my thoughts would be the kids, then me, then the car, then the deer.

Bizzum · 14-10-2011 08:16PM

whelan1 wrote: »

if you meet a deer on the road what would you do? , no silly crap plaese had 3 kids in the car

On the other hand, it can be a tricky situation.
See this video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s88r_q7oufE&ob=av3e

Make sure to watch it all.
Don't say you weren't warned:)

pakalasa · 14-10-2011 08:21PM

whelan1 wrote: »

if you meet a deer on the road what would you do? , no silly crap plaese had 3 kids in the car

Mr.Success · 14-10-2011 10:47PM

yes went down to elphin, it was packed to full capacity, springers and sucklers from 1800-3200, not one bad heifer in it

whelan1 · 15-10-2011 05:38AM

just do it wrote: »

Hmm, all depends. Do you mean in the case where you've to make a split second decision to hit it or avoid it? There's a lot of variables. First and foremost on my thoughts would be the kids, then me, then the car, then the deer.

driving in the dark the other night saw something moving at the side of the road, thought it was someone walking but when i got closer it was a massive deer , with big antlers:eek: it was halfway on my side of the road, It was dazzled by my headlights , i slowed down and it just stayed still ,one of the kids saw it , the rest wheren't quick enough.Was just thinking after it could have come out in front of us

lakill Farm · 15-10-2011 11:21AM

i guess if you hit it, call someone with a front loader and knife, bleed it out and off to someone to butcher it and freeze it up. Lots of trophy hunters would have took the head off you

leg wax · 15-10-2011 01:12PM

back from ross mart just sold big cow a lim 830 kilo 1390 euros.:D

LostCovey · 16-10-2011 12:48AM

5live wrote: »

From to to :eek:. Finally got my milk test results back today after the first were lost in the lab.

BVD was negative so :D:D

IBR was 89 with a target of below 55 so it confirmed what i had thought all along so i was:(

Then the bombshell.... liverfluke at 265 :eek::eek: with a target of below 150. Nearly fell on my a**e on the floor. First year without fascinex to the cows during the winter and the level jumped from under 100. This after a double fluke dose, one at drying off and another at calving.

Really up s**t creek now as it will cost about 2k between the dose and milk withdrawl or do i wait till i dry off in 2 months. Must sit down and have a chat with the genius that decided to stop fluke treatment on dairy cows:mad:

Ah hold on now 5live.

What do any of these numbers mean?

I am serious.

Maybe your cows have fluke since last winter, and maybe they don't.

If they do, then they will be laying eggs, and there will be fluke eggs in a dung sample. Why not sample a dozen of them or so

Now if you find them, you can say something about whether they have fluke, how many have it, how bad it is.

Otherwise, you just have a number and a bad feeling.

LostCovey

Kovu · 16-10-2011 11:56AM

Not meaning to stray off the current chat, but do many of ye sell on the land? HF I bought off my Dad three months ago, just been offered 1100 for her...... I have feck all experience at selling on site as I always use marts (red roan on the photo thread) and she's not been fed much since.....my inkling says no, even though she is only 320ish kg currently. I've never sold on site before

reilig · 16-10-2011 12:18PM

Karen112 wrote: »

Not meaning to stray off the current chat, but do many of ye sell on the land? HF I bought off my Dad three months ago, just been offered 1100 for her...... I have feck all experience at selling on site as I always use marts (red roan on the photo thread) and she's not been fed much since.....my inkling says no, even though she is only 320ish kg currently. I've never sold on site before

We sell and buy a few from relations (Uncle, cousins, inlaws), at least you know where they are coming from. If you think its a good price and want to sell here, then go for it. The paperwork and movement permit is simple (it can be faxed in and you'll have the permit in the post next day). Can post up a link to it if you want!!

funny man · 16-10-2011 12:30PM

Karen112 wrote: »

Not meaning to stray off the current chat, but do many of ye sell on the land? HF I bought off my Dad three months ago, just been offered 1100 for her...... I have feck all experience at selling on site as I always use marts (red roan on the photo thread) and she's not been fed much since.....my inkling says no, even though she is only 320ish kg currently. I've never sold on site before

If your inkling says no give the buyer another chance by putting your price on her (thats if you intend to sell) and if you don't agree well no harm done.

funny man · 16-10-2011 12:33PM

reilig wrote: »

We sell and buy a few from relations (Uncle, cousins, inlaws), at least you know where they are coming from. If you think its a good price and want to sell here, then go for it. The paperwork and movement permit is simple (it can be faxed in and you'll have the permit in the post next day). Can post up a link to it if you want!!

Not necessary any more as farm to farm/feedlots can all be done on AIM agfood.ie if your regisestered without any need for paper work.

reilig · 16-10-2011 12:41PM

funny man wrote: »

Not necessary any more as farm to farm/feedlots can all be done on AIM agfood.ie if your regisestered without any need for paper work.

You not only have to be registered on agfood.ie, your herdbook has also to be online. Only 5% of herdbooks are currently online. The buyer also has to have his/her herdbook online (not just registered with agfood.ie) - if not, then you'll still have paperwork to do (ie. it would have been easier to get a movement permit in the first place). Well that's my experience of it anyway.

Kovu · 16-10-2011 12:47PM

I have my herd reg online. I just always sold in marts. I had my eye on this heifer since day one & wanted to show her but had to work with the horses and didn't get time. I just want to know from others who sell in the field, if they think they may get more in the mart?

whelan1 · 16-10-2011 12:53PM

reilig wrote: »

We sell and buy a few from relations (Uncle, cousins, inlaws), at least you know where they are coming from.!

its also said you should never buy off a relation, i found out the hard way

funny man · 16-10-2011 12:55PM

whelan1 wrote: »

its also said you should never buy off a relation, i found out the hard way

Carefull now!

whelan1 · 16-10-2011 12:56PM

funny man wrote: »

Carefull now!

bit late for me anyways

redzerologhlen · 16-10-2011 01:01PM

reilig wrote: »

You not only have to be registered on agfood.ie, your herdbook has also to be online. Only 5% of herdbooks are currently online. The buyer also has to have his/her herdbook online (not just registered with agfood.ie) - if not, then you'll still have paperwork to do (ie. it would have been easier to get a movement permit in the first place). Well that's my experience of it anyway.

On that reilig. We are signed up to agfood.ie but I dont understand how to fill up the herd register on it. Can you or anyone else explain how its done

thetangler · 16-10-2011 01:03PM

I would sell off the land regular. Mostly springing heifers. No mart commission and a better chance of repeat buisness. I would only sell if I was happy with the price if not hold on.
No big deal with movement etc if the person you are selling to is reg online they can take them into there own hers else print off electonic form sign and post. The biggsest issue I see is talking a cheque on delivery can be a worry.

Kovu · 16-10-2011 02:19PM

thetangler wrote: »

I would sell off the land regular. Mostly springing heifers. No mart commission and a better chance of repeat buisness. I would only sell if I was happy with the price if not hold on.
No big deal with movement etc if the person you are selling to is reg online they can take them into there own hers else print off electonic form sign and post. The biggsest issue I see is talking a cheque on delivery can be a worry.

I know the system D

but the prob is that me & my da like the heifer, the neighbours have also commented on her. So I don't want to undervalue her or overvalue her either, fair price to a fair buyer. I doubt I'll be able to fatstock her with my work times so I don't mind giving a great animal at a fair price that may make money in the long run. Can you PM me if any idea?:)

funny man · 16-10-2011 03:18PM

reilig wrote: »

You not only have to be registered on agfood.ie, your herdbook has also to be online. Only 5% of herdbooks are currently online. The buyer also has to have his/her herdbook online (not just registered with agfood.ie) - if not, then you'll still have paperwork to do (ie. it would have been easier to get a movement permit in the first place). Well that's my experience of it anyway.

When you regester with agfood your herdbook is on line. i don't know where you get the figure of 5% but i'll check it, i believe it's alot higher (most guys regestered through teagasc/private advisor to enable to apply for the SFP on-line. I sold stock to 11 guys last year and all were accepted so no paper work.

reilig · 16-10-2011 03:50PM

funny man wrote: »

When you regester with agfood your herdbook is on line. i don't know where you get the figure of 5% but i'll check it, i believe it's alot higher (most guys regestered through teagasc/private advisor to enable to apply for the SFP on-line. I sold stock to 11 guys last year and all were accepted so no paper work.

That's not exactly true. Your herdbook is online, but you must still maintain the blue book. A large proportion of farmers are registered with agfood, can register calves online and can apply for their sfp online, but they still have to maintain the blue herd register. If you want to dispense with using the herdbook, you must do the following:

You must first logon to agfood.ie and complete an electronic application form. You must agree to the Terms and Conditions to use the Animal Identification and Movement (AIM) facilities on agfood.ie as your on-farm bovine electronic herd register. This can be done by selecting a new option that will be available under AIM in July 2010 called “Bovine Electronic Herd Register”. When using this for the first time you must record agreement to the Terms and Conditions for its use. It is a condition of registration that keepers must use AIM to register calves electronically and to notify movement of animals from farm to farm. Keepers will have responsibility for ensuring that all notifications are up to date and that the herd profile is accurate and complete. When you log on to AIM, the system will confirm that you are signed up for the Bovine Electronic Herd Register and from that date you can stop using the on-farm herd register (blue book).

www.agfood.ie

Earlier this year there was a figure published in the IFJ which stated that only just over 5000 farmers had taken the above steps in order to be able not to have to use the herdbook. There are also people who use secific farm software packages which exempts them from having to keep the herd register (blue book) too.

Kovu · 16-10-2011 04:50PM

reilig wrote: »

That's not exactly true. Your herdbook is online, but you must still maintain the blue book. A large proportion of farmers are registered with agfood, can register calves online and can apply for their sfp online, but they still have to maintain the blue herd register. If you want to dispense with using the herdbook, you must do the following:

www.agfood.ie

Earlier this year there was a figure published in the IFJ which stated that only just over 5000 farmers had taken the above steps in order to be able not to have to use the herdbook. There are also people who use secific farm software packages which exempts them from having to keep the herd register (blue book) too.

That's what I use^^ Although explaining it to the actual herdowner (daddy dearest) would take far longer then the explanation above. All he knows is....ring daughter.....daughter does it.:p

5live · 16-10-2011 08:43PM

LostCovey wrote: »

Ah hold on now 5live.

What do any of these numbers mean?

I am serious.

Maybe your cows have fluke since last winter, and maybe they don't.

If they do, then they will be laying eggs, and there will be fluke eggs in a dung sample. Why not sample a dozen of them or so

Now if you find them, you can say something about whether they have fluke, how many have it, how bad it is.

Otherwise, you just have a number and a bad feeling.

LostCovey

Have lab results LC. Anything over the target figures would be deemed to have the problem in question and in need of treatment. As the lady in the vet office (hi M:)) said, or i understood but was in shock for a while after, if any figure is significantly over the target then urgent treatment is needed. Thus, i find myself looking for the best value fluke treatment for lactating cows and IBR vaccine to boot.

As to whether the problem was present last year, the answer is no. Lab results around 80 for the last 5 years. This i put down totally to single use of fascinex at drying off every winter which unfortunately was off the agenda last winter replaced with a fluke dose at drying off and calving. This points me in the direction of concluding the double dose antifluke treatment just doesnt work here or the drugs need changing.

I must go to the vet next week so i will try to find what the measurements mean. I should find out for myself anyway but this has lit a wee fire under my ass to find out more.

The vet inspected lambs livers last week too and they were perfect:o.

Whatever way it works out i will have numbers and a very very very bad feeling:mad:

Its frustrating to spend 20 years fighting the little buggers and then have the best weapon EVER against them taken away just as you were winning.

Just something to keep in mind folks. 2 wet years and the biggest promlem isnt just stomach fluke. As one presidential candidate would say ' they havent gone away you know'

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