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How would you feel if your child was gay?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25 sexter


    I think gay people are unfortunately still heavily discriminated against in life.

    You must be joking!!!

    For much of history, homosexuality was regarded as a taboo. But then in the 1970s, things began to change. Rather than simply "violently oppose" homosexuality, we saw the emergence of comedy sitcoms like "Three's Company" where homosexuality was lampooned and made fun of.

    Now it is being rammed down out throats, taught in schools and generally presented as a "lifestyle choice" and not a developmental disorder. People who refuse to experiment with homosexuality are deemed intolerant and hateful.

    The same is formula/recipe is being used to force pedophilia onto the public.

    Pedophilia is so far from the cultural nature that no sane human needs to be "told" that it's wrong.

    Such thoughts simply don't enter into the mind of the same, rational adult human.

    But beginning about 10 years ago, the media began a campaign of planting seeds into the public mind of just how "bad" and "wrong" pedophilia is.

    And even if such seeds do not blossom into pedophilia actions in that particular individual, the end result is that statistically, even by "attacking" and "violently opposing" pedophilia in this way, you will see a statistical increase in the number of pedophilia cases.

    It's why drug abuse always increases after D.A.R.E. programs come to school and tell children how "bad" and "wrong" drugs are.

    It's why suicides always increase after counselors tell teens not to kill themselves.

    So about 10 years ago, the public began to be bombarded by news reports of pedophilia, by shows like "To Catch a Predator", and by "Law and Order" where it seems in EVERY SINGLE episode the detectives were trying to hunt down a child rapist.

    That's Phase 1: the phase of "violent opposition."


    Today we've moved into Phase 2: the phase of ridicule. This can most readily be seen in shows like "Family Guy."

    History will record that "Family Guy" was to pedophilia what "Three's Company" was to homosexuality: in the 30 minutes that are devoted to an episode of "Family Guy", there will be at least 20 (if not many more) pedophile "jokes".

    The show stars an infant baby who is himself gay, and who is constantly finding himself in predicaments where he is being propositioned, or outright having sex with, adult males.

    The show features bestiality: a dog who is the "hot stud" of the town, "dating" a new, gorgeous blond girl in every episode. It features an awkward teenage daughter whose mother ends up having sex with every boyfriend she brings home. In fact, the only people in that show who are NOT having sex with each other are the husband and wife.

    THE ENDGAME

    It's true that today many people are campaigning for "gay rights" (most of whom, ironically, are perfectly straight and have no gay proclivities or inclinations whatsoever.)

    In 30 years time, the children of these "gay rights" protesters will be campaigning for "pedophile rights" (just as their parents campaigned for homosexuality.)

    But it doesn't end there: it gets (much) worse.

    People have a dim, inchoate notion that at one time, Rome was a great Republic, and then at some later point, the Romans were throwing Christians to the lions.

    But people have no concept whatsoever of the VERY HIGH SCIENCE that was used to degrade Rome from the noble Republic into the savage Empire.

    A few of the basics of this HIGH SCIENCE have been outlined in this article. But it's worth noting that it doesn't end in social acceptance of pedophilia: it ends in the social acceptance of snuff.

    The author was born into a generation that is known to pop culture as "Generation X" .. it was "Generation X" that brought forth this "gay rights" revolution, and it will be their children, the "Generation Y," (many of whom are presently in high school, or younger) who will bring about the "pedophile rights" revolution.

    And it will be their children (the "Generation Z") who will bring forth a "revolution" to legitimize snuff... and it is worth noting that there are no more letters in the alphabet after Z.

    The letter "Z" is the Endgame. And not just (or even necessarily) snuff in the pornographic sense, but snuff in the sense of how it was used in Rome: as a sort of Rollerball, Idiocracy, Running Man-style of snuff, where executing condemned prisoners is turned into a macabre game show, with frenzied crowds rabidly cheering for the death of the contestants.

    This is the very grim future that now awaits us.

    The destruction of a Republic follows a very precise, very SCIENTIFIC formula: (1) first you get the population to accept homosexuality; (2) then you get the population to accept pedophilia; and (3) then you get the population to accept snuff.

    These three ALWAYS follow one another, in that order, like day follows the night. It is one of the lessons that history has to teach.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,204 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    sexter wrote: »
    You must be joking!!!

    For much of history, homosexuality was regarded as a taboo. But then in the 1970s, things began to change. Rather than simply "violently oppose" homosexuality, we saw the emergence of comedy sitcoms like "Three's Company" where homosexuality was lampooned and made fun of.

    Now it is being rammed down out throats, taught in schools and generally presented as a "lifestyle choice" and not a developmental disorder. People who refuse to experiment with homosexuality are deemed intolerant and hateful.

    The same is formula/recipe is being used to force pedophilia onto the public.

    Pedophilia is so far from the cultural nature that no sane human needs to be "told" that it's wrong.

    Such thoughts simply don't enter into the mind of the same, rational adult human.

    But beginning about 10 years ago, the media began a campaign of planting seeds into the public mind of just how "bad" and "wrong" pedophilia is.

    And even if such seeds do not blossom into pedophilia actions in that particular individual, the end result is that statistically, even by "attacking" and "violently opposing" pedophilia in this way, you will see a statistical increase in the number of pedophilia cases.

    It's why drug abuse always increases after D.A.R.E. programs come to school and tell children how "bad" and "wrong" drugs are.

    It's why suicides always increase after counselors tell teens not to kill themselves.

    So about 10 years ago, the public began to be bombarded by news reports of pedophilia, by shows like "To Catch a Predator", and by "Law and Order" where it seems in EVERY SINGLE episode the detectives were trying to hunt down a child rapist.

    That's Phase 1: the phase of "violent opposition."


    Today we've moved into Phase 2: the phase of ridicule. This can most readily be seen in shows like "Family Guy."

    History will record that "Family Guy" was to pedophilia what "Three's Company" was to homosexuality: in the 30 minutes that are devoted to an episode of "Family Guy", there will be at least 20 (if not many more) pedophile "jokes".

    The show stars an infant baby who is himself gay, and who is constantly finding himself in predicaments where he is being propositioned, or outright having sex with, adult males.

    The show features bestiality: a dog who is the "hot stud" of the town, "dating" a new, gorgeous blond girl in every episode. It features an awkward teenage daughter whose mother ends up having sex with every boyfriend she brings home. In fact, the only people in that show who are NOT having sex with each other are the husband and wife.

    THE ENDGAME

    It's true that today many people are campaigning for "gay rights" (most of whom, ironically, are perfectly straight and have no gay proclivities or inclinations whatsoever.)

    In 30 years time, the children of these "gay rights" protesters will be campaigning for "pedophile rights" (just as their parents campaigned for homosexuality.)

    But it doesn't end there: it gets (much) worse.

    Americans have a dim, inchoate notion that at one time, Rome was a great Republic, and then at some later point, the Romans were throwing Christians to the lions.

    But people have no concept whatsoever of the VERY HIGH SCIENCE that was used to degrade Rome from the noble Republic into the savage Empire.

    A few of the basics of this HIGH SCIENCE have been outlined in this article. But it's worth noting that it doesn't end in social acceptance of pedophilia: it ends in the social acceptance of snuff.

    The author was born into a generation that is known to pop culture as "Generation X" .. it was "Generation X" that brought forth this "gay rights" revolution, and it will be their children, the "Generation Y," (many of whom are presently in high school, or younger) who will bring about the "pedophile rights" revolution.

    And it will be their children (the "Generation Z") who will bring forth a "revolution" to legitimize snuff... and it is worth noting that there are no more letters in the alphabet after Z.

    The letter "Z" is the Endgame. And not just (or even necessarily) snuff in the pornographic sense, but snuff in the sense of how it was used in Rome: as a sort of Rollerball, Idiocracy, Running Man-style of snuff, where executing condemned prisoners is turned into a macabre game show, with frenzied crowds rabidly cheering for the death of the contestants.

    This is the very grim future that now awaits America.

    The destruction of a Republic follows a very precise, very SCIENTIFIC formula: (1) first you get the population to accept homosexuality; (2) then you get the population to accept pedophilia; and (3) then you get the population to accept snuff.

    These three ALWAYS follow one another, in that order, like day follows the night. It is one of the lessons that history has to teach.

    and homophobia is alive and kicking!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,497 ✭✭✭billybudd


    sexter wrote: »
    You must be joking!!!

    For much of history, homosexuality was regarded as a taboo. But then in the 1970s, things began to change. Rather than simply "violently oppose" homosexuality, we saw the emergence of comedy sitcoms like "Three's Company" where homosexuality was lampooned and made fun of.

    Now it is being rammed down out throats, taught in schools and generally presented as a "lifestyle choice" and not a developmental disorder. People who refuse to experiment with homosexuality are deemed intolerant and hateful.

    The same is formula/recipe is being used to force pedophilia onto the public.


    Pedophilia is so far from the cultural nature that no sane human needs to be "told" that it's wrong.

    Such thoughts simply don't enter into the mind of the same, rational adult human.

    But beginning about 10 years ago, the media began a campaign of planting seeds into the public mind of just how "bad" and "wrong" pedophilia is.

    And even if such seeds do not blossom into pedophilia actions in that particular individual, the end result is that statistically, even by "attacking" and "violently opposing" pedophilia in this way, you will see a statistical increase in the number of pedophilia cases.

    It's why drug abuse always increases after D.A.R.E. programs come to school and tell children how "bad" and "wrong" drugs are.

    It's why suicides always increase after counselors tell teens not to kill themselves.

    So about 10 years ago, the public began to be bombarded by news reports of pedophilia, by shows like "To Catch a Predator", and by "Law and Order" where it seems in EVERY SINGLE episode the detectives were trying to hunt down a child rapist.

    That's Phase 1: the phase of "violent opposition."


    Today we've moved into Phase 2: the phase of ridicule. This can most readily be seen in shows like "Family Guy."

    History will record that "Family Guy" was to pedophilia what "Three's Company" was to homosexuality: in the 30 minutes that are devoted to an episode of "Family Guy", there will be at least 20 (if not many more) pedophile "jokes".

    The show stars an infant baby who is himself gay, and who is constantly finding himself in predicaments where he is being propositioned, or outright having sex with, adult males.

    The show features bestiality: a dog who is the "hot stud" of the town, "dating" a new, gorgeous blond girl in every episode. It features an awkward teenage daughter whose mother ends up having sex with every boyfriend she brings home. In fact, the only people in that show who are NOT having sex with each other are the husband and wife.

    THE ENDGAME

    It's true that today many people are campaigning for "gay rights" (most of whom, ironically, are perfectly straight and have no gay proclivities or inclinations whatsoever.)

    In 30 years time, the children of these "gay rights" protesters will be campaigning for "pedophile rights" (just as their parents campaigned for homosexuality.)

    But it doesn't end there: it gets (much) worse.

    People have a dim, inchoate notion that at one time, Rome was a great Republic, and then at some later point, the Romans were throwing Christians to the lions.

    But people have no concept whatsoever of the VERY HIGH SCIENCE that was used to degrade Rome from the noble Republic into the savage Empire.

    A few of the basics of this HIGH SCIENCE have been outlined in this article. But it's worth noting that it doesn't end in social acceptance of pedophilia: it ends in the social acceptance of snuff.

    The author was born into a generation that is known to pop culture as "Generation X" .. it was "Generation X" that brought forth this "gay rights" revolution, and it will be their children, the "Generation Y," (many of whom are presently in high school, or younger) who will bring about the "pedophile rights" revolution.

    And it will be their children (the "Generation Z") who will bring forth a "revolution" to legitimize snuff... and it is worth noting that there are no more letters in the alphabet after Z.

    The letter "Z" is the Endgame. And not just (or even necessarily) snuff in the pornographic sense, but snuff in the sense of how it was used in Rome: as a sort of Rollerball, Idiocracy, Running Man-style of snuff, where executing condemned prisoners is turned into a macabre game show, with frenzied crowds rabidly cheering for the death of the contestants.

    This is the very grim future that now awaits us.

    The destruction of a Republic follows a very precise, very SCIENTIFIC formula: (1) first you get the population to accept homosexuality; (2) then you get the population to accept pedophilia; and (3) then you get the population to accept snuff.

    These three ALWAYS follow one another, in that order, like day follows the night. It is one of the lessons that history has to teach.


    :pac: Read a few history books, homosexuality was prominent from times begining, it wasnt as such taboo as educational.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭ukoda




    That's all well and good in an ideal world, but this is reality. And an unfortunate circumstance of reality is that bullying. discrimination etc. is prevalent in modern day society.

    Then maybe you should start a thread entitled "How would you feel if your child was fat/red headed/short?"

    They all get bullied in 'reality' too....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,081 ✭✭✭LeixlipRed


    sexter wrote: »
    You must be joking!!!

    For much of history, homosexuality was regarded as a taboo. But then in the 1970s, things began to change. Rather than simply "violently oppose" homosexuality, we saw the emergence of comedy sitcoms like "Three's Company" where homosexuality was lampooned and made fun of.

    Now it is being rammed down out throats, taught in schools and generally presented as a "lifestyle choice" and not a developmental disorder. People who refuse to experiment with homosexuality are deemed intolerant and hateful.

    The same is formula/recipe is being used to force pedophilia onto the public.

    Pedophilia is so far from the cultural nature that no sane human needs to be "told" that it's wrong.

    Such thoughts simply don't enter into the mind of the same, rational adult human.

    But beginning about 10 years ago, the media began a campaign of planting seeds into the public mind of just how "bad" and "wrong" pedophilia is.

    And even if such seeds do not blossom into pedophilia actions in that particular individual, the end result is that statistically, even by "attacking" and "violently opposing" pedophilia in this way, you will see a statistical increase in the number of pedophilia cases.

    It's why drug abuse always increases after D.A.R.E. programs come to school and tell children how "bad" and "wrong" drugs are.

    It's why suicides always increase after counselors tell teens not to kill themselves.

    So about 10 years ago, the public began to be bombarded by news reports of pedophilia, by shows like "To Catch a Predator", and by "Law and Order" where it seems in EVERY SINGLE episode the detectives were trying to hunt down a child rapist.

    That's Phase 1: the phase of "violent opposition."


    Today we've moved into Phase 2: the phase of ridicule. This can most readily be seen in shows like "Family Guy."

    History will record that "Family Guy" was to pedophilia what "Three's Company" was to homosexuality: in the 30 minutes that are devoted to an episode of "Family Guy", there will be at least 20 (if not many more) pedophile "jokes".

    The show stars an infant baby who is himself gay, and who is constantly finding himself in predicaments where he is being propositioned, or outright having sex with, adult males.

    The show features bestiality: a dog who is the "hot stud" of the town, "dating" a new, gorgeous blond girl in every episode. It features an awkward teenage daughter whose mother ends up having sex with every boyfriend she brings home. In fact, the only people in that show who are NOT having sex with each other are the husband and wife.

    THE ENDGAME

    It's true that today many people are campaigning for "gay rights" (most of whom, ironically, are perfectly straight and have no gay proclivities or inclinations whatsoever.)

    In 30 years time, the children of these "gay rights" protesters will be campaigning for "pedophile rights" (just as their parents campaigned for homosexuality.)

    But it doesn't end there: it gets (much) worse.

    People have a dim, inchoate notion that at one time, Rome was a great Republic, and then at some later point, the Romans were throwing Christians to the lions.

    But people have no concept whatsoever of the VERY HIGH SCIENCE that was used to degrade Rome from the noble Republic into the savage Empire.

    A few of the basics of this HIGH SCIENCE have been outlined in this article. But it's worth noting that it doesn't end in social acceptance of pedophilia: it ends in the social acceptance of snuff.

    The author was born into a generation that is known to pop culture as "Generation X" .. it was "Generation X" that brought forth this "gay rights" revolution, and it will be their children, the "Generation Y," (many of whom are presently in high school, or younger) who will bring about the "pedophile rights" revolution.

    And it will be their children (the "Generation Z") who will bring forth a "revolution" to legitimize snuff... and it is worth noting that there are no more letters in the alphabet after Z.

    The letter "Z" is the Endgame. And not just (or even necessarily) snuff in the pornographic sense, but snuff in the sense of how it was used in Rome: as a sort of Rollerball, Idiocracy, Running Man-style of snuff, where executing condemned prisoners is turned into a macabre game show, with frenzied crowds rabidly cheering for the death of the contestants.

    This is the very grim future that now awaits us.

    The destruction of a Republic follows a very precise, very SCIENTIFIC formula: (1) first you get the population to accept homosexuality; (2) then you get the population to accept pedophilia; and (3) then you get the population to accept snuff.

    These three ALWAYS follow one another, in that order, like day follows the night. It is one of the lessons that history has to teach.

    tl;dr aliens?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,730 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    At first i would probably be disappointed, not that they were gay, but because I probably wouldn't have grand children. But as we evolve the likelihood of gay couples having children will improve. At the end of the day they are still your child.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    sexter wrote: »
    some rambling endless bollocks

    You forgot to blame the Jews.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭westies4ever


    I dont have children but I have to say, I'd rather my child was gay than an a**hole!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Well OP if you ever do have kids and one of them is gay, this will sort it for you.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    My parents seem pretty cool about it.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    LeixlipRed wrote: »
    tl;dr aliens?
    more likely Jews/zionists.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,204 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    sexter wrote: »
    You must be joking!!!

    For much of history, homosexuality was regarded as a taboo. But then in the 1970s, things began to change. Rather than simply "violently oppose" homosexuality, we saw the emergence of comedy sitcoms like "Three's Company" where homosexuality was lampooned and made fun of.

    Now it is being rammed down out throats, taught in schools and generally presented as a "lifestyle choice" and not a developmental disorder. People who refuse to experiment with homosexuality are deemed intolerant and hateful.

    The same is formula/recipe is being used to force pedophilia onto the public.

    Pedophilia is so far from the cultural nature that no sane human needs to be "told" that it's wrong.

    Such thoughts simply don't enter into the mind of the same, rational adult human.

    But beginning about 10 years ago, the media began a campaign of planting seeds into the public mind of just how "bad" and "wrong" pedophilia is.

    And even if such seeds do not blossom into pedophilia actions in that particular individual, the end result is that statistically, even by "attacking" and "violently opposing" pedophilia in this way, you will see a statistical increase in the number of pedophilia cases.

    It's why drug abuse always increases after D.A.R.E. programs come to school and tell children how "bad" and "wrong" drugs are.

    It's why suicides always increase after counselors tell teens not to kill themselves.

    So about 10 years ago, the public began to be bombarded by news reports of pedophilia, by shows like "To Catch a Predator", and by "Law and Order" where it seems in EVERY SINGLE episode the detectives were trying to hunt down a child rapist.

    That's Phase 1: the phase of "violent opposition."


    Today we've moved into Phase 2: the phase of ridicule. This can most readily be seen in shows like "Family Guy."

    History will record that "Family Guy" was to pedophilia what "Three's Company" was to homosexuality: in the 30 minutes that are devoted to an episode of "Family Guy", there will be at least 20 (if not many more) pedophile "jokes".

    The show stars an infant baby who is himself gay, and who is constantly finding himself in predicaments where he is being propositioned, or outright having sex with, adult males.

    The show features bestiality: a dog who is the "hot stud" of the town, "dating" a new, gorgeous blond girl in every episode. It features an awkward teenage daughter whose mother ends up having sex with every boyfriend she brings home. In fact, the only people in that show who are NOT having sex with each other are the husband and wife.

    THE ENDGAME

    It's true that today many people are campaigning for "gay rights" (most of whom, ironically, are perfectly straight and have no gay proclivities or inclinations whatsoever.)

    In 30 years time, the children of these "gay rights" protesters will be campaigning for "pedophile rights" (just as their parents campaigned for homosexuality.)

    But it doesn't end there: it gets (much) worse.

    People have a dim, inchoate notion that at one time, Rome was a great Republic, and then at some later point, the Romans were throwing Christians to the lions.

    But people have no concept whatsoever of the VERY HIGH SCIENCE that was used to degrade Rome from the noble Republic into the savage Empire.

    A few of the basics of this HIGH SCIENCE have been outlined in this article. But it's worth noting that it doesn't end in social acceptance of pedophilia: it ends in the social acceptance of snuff.

    The author was born into a generation that is known to pop culture as "Generation X" .. it was "Generation X" that brought forth this "gay rights" revolution, and it will be their children, the "Generation Y," (many of whom are presently in high school, or younger) who will bring about the "pedophile rights" revolution.

    And it will be their children (the "Generation Z") who will bring forth a "revolution" to legitimize snuff... and it is worth noting that there are no more letters in the alphabet after Z.

    The letter "Z" is the Endgame. And not just (or even necessarily) snuff in the pornographic sense, but snuff in the sense of how it was used in Rome: as a sort of Rollerball, Idiocracy, Running Man-style of snuff, where executing condemned prisoners is turned into a macabre game show, with frenzied crowds rabidly cheering for the death of the contestants.

    This is the very grim future that now awaits us.

    The destruction of a Republic follows a very precise, very SCIENTIFIC formula: (1) first you get the population to accept homosexuality; (2) then you get the population to accept pedophilia; and (3) then you get the population to accept snuff.

    These three ALWAYS follow one another, in that order, like day follows the night. It is one of the lessons that history has to teach.

    L Ron Hubbard? It that You?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 90 ✭✭Ah nuts


    How would I feel?


    Like most people here.


    With my hands.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,673 ✭✭✭AudreyHepburn


    It wouldn't change a thing, your child is your child no matter what.

    I would worry for him/her in the sense that I'd worry his peers might discriminate but I personally would have no issue with it at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    Sexter banned.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,608 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    OP most people here are not rearing a family and looking forward to being a grand parent someday, and a lot will post up some liberal populist crap.. Me, I'll say it like it is - I'd be devastated.. Sure there are worst things which a child can be, and I do believe its not a life choice unless they started acting all camp & queer about the whole thing.

    But at the end of the day we're family and I'm here to support my children throught thick and thin.

    But yes, I'd be devasted.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,387 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    sexter wrote:
    People have a dim, inchoate notion that at one time, Rome was a great Republic, and then at some later point, the Romans were throwing Christians to the lions.

    But people have no concept whatsoever of the VERY HIGH SCIENCE that was used to degrade Rome from the noble Republic into the savage Empire.

    A few of the basics of this HIGH SCIENCE have been outlined in this article. But it's worth noting that it doesn't end in social acceptance of pedophilia: it ends in the social acceptance of snuff.
    The Romans were pretty "meh" about homosexuality, so long as it wasn't public. As for paedophilia they were particularly snooty about the Greeks and their pederasty. What we might see as overt sexuality, prostitution and porn they were pretty "meh" about too. All during the republic. Snuff? They weren't exactly squeamish about bloodletting, in public too. Gladiatorial games to the death kicked off during the republic. So from what nutty parallel universe you get VERY HIGH SCIENCE in this is beyond me.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,448 ✭✭✭✭Cupcake_Crisis


    If my child was gay and happy and comfortable in his/her own skin I honestly wouldn't care. It's their life and I will have raised them to the best of my ability.

    And it's not impossible for the parents of gay children to become grandparent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Gladiatorial games to the death kicked off during the republic. So from what nutty parallel universe you get VERY HIGH SCIENCE in this is beyond me.

    In fairness, Gladiatorial games were very rarely to the death, it was normally a first blood scenario. Having some total newbs with little training go at it to the death was far more common, but to have actual ranked Gladiators fight to the death was rare.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,204 ✭✭✭✭Bannasidhe


    Wibbs wrote: »
    The Romans were pretty "meh" about homosexuality, so long as it wasn't public. As for paedophilia they were particularly snooty about the Greeks and their pederasty. What we might see as overt sexuality, prostitution and porn they were pretty "meh" about too. All during the republic. Snuff? They weren't exactly squeamish about bloodletting, in public too. Gladiatorial games to the death kicked off during the republic. So from what nutty parallel universe you get VERY HIGH SCIENCE in this is beyond me.

    Even closer to home - the Gaelic Irish didn't give a flying f either (doubters can read Fergus Kelly's Guide to Early Irish Law if they require confirmation of this.)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭plein de force


    Personally, and I'm slightly ashamed to say this, but I'd be very disappointed.

    I have no problem with gay people, I know a few and get on with them just fine. But, I would be devastated if I found out my child was gay. It would be an unmitigated disaster in my view.

    Why? First of all for selfish reasons. I would love to be a grandfather one day and would find it hard to accept of being deprived that aspiration.

    Secondly, I think gay people are unfortunately still heavily discriminated against in life. Especially when they are younger and in School. And it is not my wish to have my son go through hardships like this.

    So, how would you feel if your child was gay?
    They're not really.
    I can only speak of my experience and other people i know who are also gay. I'm 19 and just finished school in an all boys school and a lot of people know i'm gay but i was never stereotypically gay. i never had one bad word said against me, i was barely even ever slagged for having red hair. Then there was another guy who was gay who was every stereotype you could mention, never once was he bullied or was a word said about his sexuality when he wasn't there. when i came out my parents had the same view as you, because when they were younger homophobia was rife they thought the same would be true for me but nowadays in the younger generations homophobia is just not acceptable but ofc there'll always be a few idiots.
    woodoo wrote: »
    I would prefer that not to happen. Its bound to be more difficult that being straight.

    My life and other gay people's lives who i know don't seem to be more difficult than those of straight people


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭jaffacakesyum


    OP do you have kids already? If not, then I think you need to take a hard look at yourself. I'm not doing this to be harsh and I'm not doing it because I'm uber-liberal, 100% PC or even due to the fact that I'm bisexual myself.

    The real issue here is that you have selfish motives behind having children (which you openly admit and fair play to that). I know this is going to sound harsh and I honestly do not mean to act like I'm on a high horse here but...you don't deserve to have children if you are going to be selfish like that. To be a parent you have to love your child and want the best for them. That means accepting them whether they're gay bi straight ginger pale tanned etc. As long as they're happy, you should love them. I don't think you can do that.

    I'm not saying it wouldn't be a shock when you first find out they're gay. And of course it would take time to come to terms to it. But ultimately, if you can't love your child unconditionally because of the tiny insignificant fact that he is gay...you honestly don't deserve to have kids.

    The main reason you'd be disappointed is the grandchildren thing. Asides from the point that gay couples can have children, what would you do if you had a straight son/daughter who decided not to marry or have kids? Would you be disappointed then?

    In other words, would you 'choose' to have a gay son who ends up getting married and adopting children. Or a straight son, who lives all his life without ever wanting to settle down and have kids?


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 7,486 ✭✭✭Red Alert


    First and foremost I'd be delighted for him/her that they discovered their sexuality, and that they felt comfortable to share it.

    The usual house rules would still apply like with any other straight sibling in relation to people staying over etc. Their bf/gf would be welcome the same way as a straight child's bf/gf in the house.

    In short, it'd be business as usual!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭Knasher


    I won't lie, I'd be very very confused.









    Exactly when did I become a father?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,148 ✭✭✭plein de force


    skregs wrote: »
    Your son will only grow up gay if the father doesn't instill a sense of masculinity in them.
    There's no gay men with strong father figures in their lives, or they wouldn't be gay.

    So don't worry OP, I'm sure you'll do well.

    there are, me. Hi


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,940 ✭✭✭4leto


    How would I feel if my child was gay, HUH, there are worse things. How would I feel if my child was fat, ugly, stupid, disabled, lazy, dyslexic, psychotic, a stutterer, deaf, blind and on and on.

    You don't choose how your child will be, you just accept them for what they are and hope for the best. Gay people can live happy productive lives, as can any of the above. You have to realise you do not choose the genetic aspects of your children, you have no control. You roll a dice and hope for the best. But what you do control is your attitude towards your children, you might as well make it as best you can for them.

    Give them an accepting and loving time and have absolutely no expectations and that includes grand children.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    I think people are being a bit hard on the people that want grandchildren.

    I would have no problem whatsoever if my boys turned out to be gay but I would also be very sad if I never had grandchildren. It's not selfish to look forward to seeing the family expand with grandchildren and they are a brilliant part of kids' lives.

    That said, it's also selfish if you held it against your kids for not wanting kids themselves as they don't need to be gay to not want children.

    The thought that a father or mother could turn their back on their own kids for something like sexual orientation is really sad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,944 ✭✭✭fedor.2.


    OP most people here are not rearing a family and looking forward to being a grand parent someday, and a lot will post up some liberal populist crap.. Me, I'll say it like it is - I'd be devastated.. Sure there are worst things which a child can be, and I do believe its not a life choice unless they started acting all camp & queer about the whole thing.

    But at the end of the day we're family and I'm here to support my children through thick and thin.

    But yes, I'd be devastated.



    Finally some real honesty


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,730 ✭✭✭Bullseye1


    How is it liberial popualist crap if its how you feel? Is it the same as conservative populist crap?.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    OP most people here are not rearing a family and looking forward to being a grand parent someday, and a lot will post up some liberal populist crap..

    So, because people are okay with the idea that their children are gay, they're just posting the PC thing to say and aren't telling the whole truth.

    Maybe, just maybe, they truly don't give a toss?


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