Charity - Concern

lo0kash · 30-09-2011 07:01PM #1

Just signed a form to donate. But when the woman left my house I started to think about it and now I feel pretty annoyed because I realized how manipulated I was.... 1) I asked about online donating and she said its not possible and I can only donate by filling the form - totally not true 2) She asked to donate 11e - I asked where that figure came from but didnt get straight answer. Then she said if I donate 21e or more they will get another 18e from the government. I connected the dots later, 11 was only to make getting additional tenner easier! There is nothing about donating 11e on their website - there is another campaign about donating 7e.
Did anyone experienced anything similar? I feel a bit like a fool now:( I know they have to get money but is lying and manipulating people a proper way to do this? I will defo think twice next time someone from charity knocks to my door:(

jaykay74 · 30-09-2011 07:05PM

lo0kash wrote: »

Did anyone experienced anything similar?

My opinion on this matter will cost 44 euro (8 of which I will give to charity though).

squod · 30-09-2011 07:07PM

lo0kash wrote: »

Just signed a form to donate. But when the woman left my house I started to think about it and now I feel pretty annoyed because I realized how manipulated I was.... 1) I asked about online donating and she said its not possible and I can only donate by filling the form - totally not true 2) She asked to donate 11e - I asked where that figure came from but didnt get straight answer. Then she said if I donate 21e or more they will get another 18e from the government. I connected the dots later, 11 was only to make getting additional tenner easier! There is nothing about donating 11e on their website - there is another campaign about donating 7e.
Did anyone experienced anything similar? I feel a bit like a fool now:( I know they have to get money but is lying and manipulating people a proper way to do this? I will defo think twice next time someone from charity knocks to my door:(

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lo0kash · 30-09-2011 07:07PM

k, got it.

Biggins · 30-09-2011 07:08PM

Ring up the bank on Monday ASAP - or call in - and try cancelling any standing orders that might be applicable to you.

lo0kash · 30-09-2011 07:14PM

Biggins wrote: »

Ring up the bank on Monday ASAP - or call in - and try cancelling any standing orders that might be applicable to you.

Yeh, was thinking about doing that. Or are you suspecting that was a scam?

Edit: sorry I've read you just this DD, I think I can see sarcasm now.

cassid · 30-09-2011 07:16PM

"Our pledge is to treat all our donors with respect, honesty and openness"
sounds like the need to implement their own internal policy of ethical fundraising.

http://www.concern.net/sites/concern.net/files/images/concerndonorcharterforfundraising.pdf

Saila · 30-09-2011 07:20PM

so you are..concerned then.

the irony is delicious

lo0kash · 30-09-2011 07:23PM

Saila wrote: »

so you are..concerned then.
the irony is delicious

Starting this thread really helped - I feel less annoyed now

TheZohanS · 30-09-2011 07:24PM

lo0kash wrote: »

Just signed a form to donate. But when the woman left my house I started to think about it and now I feel pretty annoyed because I realized how manipulated I was.... 1) I asked about online donating and she said its not possible and I can only donate by filling the form - totally not true 2) She asked to donate 11e - I asked where that figure came from but didnt get straight answer. Then she said if I donate 21e or more they will get another 18e from the government. I connected the dots later, 11 was only to make getting additional tenner easier! There is nothing about donating 11e on their website - there is another campaign about donating 7e.
Did anyone experienced anything similar? I feel a bit like a fool now:( I know they have to get money but is lying and manipulating people a proper way to do this? I will defo think twice next time someone from charity knocks to my door:(

She's working as a rep with a professional fundraising company, they'll get your sign up money in commission along with your first months payment if you've completed a direct debit.

Concerns CEO was on €140,000 a few years ago plus expenses. Source.

I certainly wouldn't be donating my hard earned money to Concern.

Celly Smunt · 30-09-2011 07:25PM

who else is going to pay for the badly needed over staffed middle management?

dory · 30-09-2011 07:26PM

AKAIK they ring you after you've filled in the forms to be sure you meant to do it and that you still want to so you may get chance to stop the standing order if you're not happy with it.

lo0kash · 30-09-2011 07:28PM

TheZohan wrote: »

She's working as a rep with a professional fundraising company, they'll get your sign up money in commission along with your first months payment if you've completed a direct debit.

Concerns CEO was on €140,000 a few years ago plus expenses. Source.

I certainly wouldn't be donating my hard earned money to Concern.

Thank you so much. I wanted to help but got a lesson.

lo0kash · 30-09-2011 07:29PM

dory wrote: »

AKAIK they ring you after you've filled in the forms to be sure you meant to do it and that you still want to so you may get chance to stop the standing order if you're not happy with it.

That is what she said. I'm going to give detailed description of the visit and how I was led to signing 21e donation.

orourkeda · 30-09-2011 07:30PM

Fack off charity

WindSock · 30-09-2011 07:41PM

What's your problem? You agreed to donate the €21 per month, and it goes further with the taxback. You can stop the donations any time you want, you goddamn child killer :mad:

Or you can reduce the monthly SO to whatever figure you can manage. Also, most of the donations don't go straight into the CEO or any others employees pockets but keep thinking that if it makes you feel better about it.

TheZohanS · 30-09-2011 07:47PM

lo0kash wrote: »

Thank you so much. I wanted to help but got a lesson.

Don't feel bad, I'm familiar with their type of sales technique, it's all pressure sales, a proven formula that basically relies on NLP. A lot of people would fall for it.

humbert · 30-09-2011 07:54PM

WindSock wrote: »

What's your problem? You agreed to donate the €21 per month, and it goes further with the taxback. You can stop the donations any time you want, you goddamn child killer :mad:

Haha, nothing like a bit of the old frothing at the mouth hyperbole to get your point across.

Lord TSC · 30-09-2011 07:56PM

I've not forgiven Concern since they chose not to let my debate team win few years back. Bastards. :mad:

Hazys · 30-09-2011 08:00PM

Ringing up the bank to sort this seems like too much hassle.

Just rob 21 euro worth of stuff off poor people each month and you'll break even.

lo0kash · 30-09-2011 08:15PM

WindSock wrote: »

What's your problem?

I'm not sure how serious you are but my problem is - as I wrote before - that I was manipulated and I was lied to.

bnt · 30-09-2011 09:18PM

They try to get you to donate a specific small amount because of human psychology: people don't like open-ended commitments. They think people are more likely to donate if the donation is fixed. I saw this start all at once about ten years ago, so I bet that's when some marketing survey about that hit the mainstream. :rolleyes:

Micky Dolenz · 30-09-2011 09:22PM

TheZohan wrote: »

She's working as a rep with a professional fundraising company, they'll get your sign up money in commission along with your first months payment if you've completed a direct debit.

Concerns CEO was on €140,000 a few years ago plus expenses. Source.

I certainly wouldn't be donating my hard earned money to Concern.

Who would you donate your hard earned cash to?

And do you think Concern do any good work?

Kidchameleon · 30-09-2011 09:34PM

If I won the Lotto tomorrow I wouldn't gave a cent of it to these bastards. OP, you were manipulated, I would first cancel any payments and secondly, complain about the chugger who called to your door.

MightyMighty737 · 30-09-2011 09:42PM

Yeah, the office wil ring you within a few days for feedback on the person who called to your door.

What I was told was 11 quid was the minimum donation they accepted.

kincsem · 30-09-2011 09:49PM

Concern: company; firm; business; enterprise.

We are unconcerned by your dilemma.

nlgbbbblth · 30-09-2011 10:20PM

It's a direct debit not a standing order. Big difference.

Concern = pricks.

The worst of all the chugger factories.

TheZohanS · 30-09-2011 10:37PM

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Who would you donate your hard earned cash to?

And do you think Concern do any good work?

The fr Peter McVerry fund that works with the homeless, I've fundraised for them before.

General General · 30-09-2011 10:56PM

I just won't give my bank details to one of these guys, as it is too hard to verify whether or not they are genuine.

So, one night, this guy calls, mid 40s, I'd say, says he is actually the team leader, goes through his sales routine, I sez, we do contribute, but not via direct debit ever, he asks why not, I say how I effectively cannot verify..., he points out some kind of charter promise, which I calmly point out makes no difference (actually, to point out where there is a written statement that you can trust the guy who is pointing it out to you tested my straight-faced-ness/patience)... again he tries, then I state: look, I don't want to waste your time... & that is what you are doing here, as we just won't give you the details for the dd.

Then, he just gives up & walks away muttering... I've never seen such an ungraceful exit by a sales person. My wife was stunned by how unpleasant his reaction was, given how polite I'd been about it.

He did his organization no favours that night, especially being a 'team leader'.

lo0kash · 01-10-2011 09:52AM

TheZohan wrote: »

The fr Peter McVerry fund that works with the homeless, I've fundraised for them before.

What about trocaire?

carlybabe1 · 01-10-2011 11:37AM

WindSock wrote: »

What's your problem? You agreed to donate the €21 per month, and it goes further with the taxback. You can stop the donations any time you want, you goddamn child killer :mad:

Or you can reduce the monthly SO to whatever figure you can manage. Also, most of the donations don't go straight into the CEO or any others employees pockets but keep thinking that if it makes you feel better about it.

ehhh, over-react much

I dont think the op is actually a child kill......

oh wait....now i get it

:D Doh!!

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