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Charity - Concern

  • 30-09-2011 6:01pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭


    Just signed a form to donate. But when the woman left my house I started to think about it and now I feel pretty annoyed because I realized how manipulated I was.... 1) I asked about online donating and she said its not possible and I can only donate by filling the form - totally not true 2) She asked to donate 11e - I asked where that figure came from but didnt get straight answer. Then she said if I donate 21e or more they will get another 18e from the government. I connected the dots later, 11 was only to make getting additional tenner easier! There is nothing about donating 11e on their website - there is another campaign about donating 7e.
    Did anyone experienced anything similar? I feel a bit like a fool now:( I know they have to get money but is lying and manipulating people a proper way to do this? I will defo think twice next time someone from charity knocks to my door:(


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,606 ✭✭✭jaykay74


    lo0kash wrote: »
    Did anyone experienced anything similar?

    My opinion on this matter will cost 44 euro (8 of which I will give to charity though).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,704 ✭✭✭squod


    lo0kash wrote: »
    Just signed a form to donate. But when the woman left my house I started to think about it and now I feel pretty annoyed because I realized how manipulated I was.... 1) I asked about online donating and she said its not possible and I can only donate by filling the form - totally not true 2) She asked to donate 11e - I asked where that figure came from but didnt get straight answer. Then she said if I donate 21e or more they will get another 18e from the government. I connected the dots later, 11 was only to make getting additional tenner easier! There is nothing about donating 11e on their website - there is another campaign about donating 7e.
    Did anyone experienced anything similar? I feel a bit like a fool now:( I know they have to get money but is lying and manipulating people a proper way to do this? I will defo think twice next time someone from charity knocks to my door:(

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭lo0kash


    k, got it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,567 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Ring up the bank on Monday ASAP - or call in - and try cancelling any standing orders that might be applicable to you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭lo0kash


    Biggins wrote: »
    Ring up the bank on Monday ASAP - or call in - and try cancelling any standing orders that might be applicable to you.

    Yeh, was thinking about doing that. Or are you suspecting that was a scam?


    Edit: sorry I've read you just this DD, I think I can see sarcasm now.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 811 ✭✭✭cassid


    "Our pledge is to treat all our donors with respect, honesty and openness"
    sounds like the need to implement their own internal policy of ethical fundraising.

    http://www.concern.net/sites/concern.net/files/images/concerndonorcharterforfundraising.pdf


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,751 ✭✭✭Saila


    so you are..concerned then.







    the irony is delicious


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭lo0kash


    Saila wrote: »
    so you are..concerned then.
    the irony is delicious


    :D

    Starting this thread really helped - I feel less annoyed now :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    lo0kash wrote: »
    Just signed a form to donate. But when the woman left my house I started to think about it and now I feel pretty annoyed because I realized how manipulated I was.... 1) I asked about online donating and she said its not possible and I can only donate by filling the form - totally not true 2) She asked to donate 11e - I asked where that figure came from but didnt get straight answer. Then she said if I donate 21e or more they will get another 18e from the government. I connected the dots later, 11 was only to make getting additional tenner easier! There is nothing about donating 11e on their website - there is another campaign about donating 7e.
    Did anyone experienced anything similar? I feel a bit like a fool now:( I know they have to get money but is lying and manipulating people a proper way to do this? I will defo think twice next time someone from charity knocks to my door:(

    She's working as a rep with a professional fundraising company, they'll get your sign up money in commission along with your first months payment if you've completed a direct debit.

    Concerns CEO was on €140,000 a few years ago plus expenses. Source.

    I certainly wouldn't be donating my hard earned money to Concern.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,464 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    who else is going to pay for the badly needed over staffed middle management?


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,618 Mod ✭✭✭✭dory


    AKAIK they ring you after you've filled in the forms to be sure you meant to do it and that you still want to so you may get chance to stop the standing order if you're not happy with it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭lo0kash


    TheZohan wrote: »
    She's working as a rep with a professional fundraising company, they'll get your sign up money in commission along with your first months payment if you've completed a direct debit.

    Concerns CEO was on €140,000 a few years ago plus expenses. Source.

    I certainly wouldn't be donating my hard earned money to Concern.

    Thank you so much. I wanted to help but got a lesson.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭lo0kash


    dory wrote: »
    AKAIK they ring you after you've filled in the forms to be sure you meant to do it and that you still want to so you may get chance to stop the standing order if you're not happy with it.

    That is what she said. I'm going to give detailed description of the visit and how I was led to signing 21e donation.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    Fack off charity


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    What's your problem? You agreed to donate the €21 per month, and it goes further with the taxback. You can stop the donations any time you want, you goddamn child killer :mad:

    Or you can reduce the monthly SO to whatever figure you can manage. Also, most of the donations don't go straight into the CEO or any others employees pockets but keep thinking that if it makes you feel better about it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    lo0kash wrote: »
    Thank you so much. I wanted to help but got a lesson.

    Don't feel bad, I'm familiar with their type of sales technique, it's all pressure sales, a proven formula that basically relies on NLP. A lot of people would fall for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭humbert


    WindSock wrote: »
    What's your problem? You agreed to donate the €21 per month, and it goes further with the taxback. You can stop the donations any time you want, you goddamn child killer :mad:

    Haha, nothing like a bit of the old frothing at the mouth hyperbole to get your point across.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    I've not forgiven Concern since they chose not to let my debate team win few years back. Bastards. :mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys


    Ringing up the bank to sort this seems like too much hassle.

    Just rob 21 euro worth of stuff off poor people each month and you'll break even.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭lo0kash


    WindSock wrote: »
    What's your problem?

    I'm not sure how serious you are but my problem is - as I wrote before - that I was manipulated and I was lied to.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,115 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    They try to get you to donate a specific small amount because of human psychology: people don't like open-ended commitments. They think people are more likely to donate if the donation is fixed. I saw this start all at once about ten years ago, so I bet that's when some marketing survey about that hit the mainstream. :rolleyes:

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

    ―Oscar Wilde predicting Social Media, in The Picture of Dorian Gray



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 44,079 ✭✭✭✭Micky Dolenz


    TheZohan wrote: »
    She's working as a rep with a professional fundraising company, they'll get your sign up money in commission along with your first months payment if you've completed a direct debit.

    Concerns CEO was on €140,000 a few years ago plus expenses. Source.

    I certainly wouldn't be donating my hard earned money to Concern.


    Who would you donate your hard earned cash to?

    And do you think Concern do any good work?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,482 ✭✭✭Kidchameleon


    If I won the Lotto tomorrow I wouldn't gave a cent of it to these bastards. OP, you were manipulated, I would first cancel any payments and secondly, complain about the chugger who called to your door.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 338 ✭✭MightyMighty737


    Yeah, the office wil ring you within a few days for feedback on the person who called to your door.

    What I was told was 11 quid was the minimum donation they accepted.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,012 ✭✭✭kincsem


    Concern: company; firm; business; enterprise.

    We are unconcerned by your dilemma.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,668 ✭✭✭nlgbbbblth


    It's a direct debit not a standing order. Big difference.

    Concern = pricks.

    The worst of all the chugger factories.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,581 ✭✭✭✭TheZohanS


    Who would you donate your hard earned cash to?

    And do you think Concern do any good work?

    The fr Peter McVerry fund that works with the homeless, I've fundraised for them before.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,900 ✭✭✭General General


    I just won't give my bank details to one of these guys, as it is too hard to verify whether or not they are genuine.

    So, one night, this guy calls, mid 40s, I'd say, says he is actually the team leader, goes through his sales routine, I sez, we do contribute, but not via direct debit ever, he asks why not, I say how I effectively cannot verify..., he points out some kind of charter promise, which I calmly point out makes no difference (actually, to point out where there is a written statement that you can trust the guy who is pointing it out to you tested my straight-faced-ness/patience)... again he tries, then I state: look, I don't want to waste your time... & that is what you are doing here, as we just won't give you the details for the dd.

    Then, he just gives up & walks away muttering... I've never seen such an ungraceful exit by a sales person. My wife was stunned by how unpleasant his reaction was, given how polite I'd been about it.

    He did his organization no favours that night, especially being a 'team leader'.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭lo0kash


    TheZohan wrote: »
    The fr Peter McVerry fund that works with the homeless, I've fundraised for them before.


    What about trocaire?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭carlybabe1


    WindSock wrote: »
    What's your problem? You agreed to donate the €21 per month, and it goes further with the taxback. You can stop the donations any time you want, you goddamn child killer :mad:

    Or you can reduce the monthly SO to whatever figure you can manage. Also, most of the donations don't go straight into the CEO or any others employees pockets but keep thinking that if it makes you feel better about it.


    ehhh, over-react much :confused: I dont think the op is actually a child kill......

    oh wait....now i get it :D:D Doh!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭WooPeeA


    Those people asking for donations get paid. It's not a charity work.

    I prefer to do wire transfer to chosen by me charity myself or put few euros into the box in the local shop. At least I know where it's going and I know that it won't be spent on hundreds of salaries.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,287 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    WooPeeA wrote: »
    Those people asking for donations get paid. It's not a charity work.

    Yeah, when you see jobs for "sales" advertised it can often be shilling for charities.

    There's big money to be made in charity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,637 ✭✭✭Show Time


    Charity starts at home.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭x_Ellie_x


    I hate that charity and I'll never give money to them again. I used to give them €21 per month through a DD from my bank account but I had to cancel it when I was made redundant. As soon as they figured out I'd cancelled it, I got a very rude phone call from them. I explained to the bitch that I'd lost my job due to the recession & I couldn't afford to donate anymore but she just got ruder and ruder as the call went on until I just hung up on her. They have some fcuking cnuts and bastards working for them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,255 ✭✭✭✭Esoteric_


    My boyfriend worked for Concern for a while, doing the door to door begging (sorry, charity collecting), and the reason they ask for a donation of 11 per month is because they are on commission.

    Basically, they get 9 euro an hour basic wage. They have to get X amount of sign ups per week. A sign up has to be a minimum of 11 euro for it to 'count' as a sign up and for them to get their commission (if they get one sign up per day, their wage increases by 2 euro per hour for each day, so if they get one sign up on a Monday evening, they'll be paid 11 per hour instead of 9 per hour for that day).

    Basically, you can offer 2 euro a month but they won't accept it because they need you to give 11 per month for them to get their sign up and keep them from being sacked basically.

    I'm still paying them (payment coming out tomorrow actually), but am gonna cancel it soon.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭Frynge


    Should have asked if they were barnardos......

    waited for the reply....

    "no concern"

    'me neither':D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,387 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    WooPeeA wrote: »
    Those people asking for donations get paid. It's not a charity work.
    Yeah, its big business. When people in consumer forums used to moan about shops charging a lot (because people pay it) I used to reply that thay are a business, not a charity. But that saying really doesn't have much meaning.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭WooPeeA


    From their website:
    Concern Charity Trading Limited, a company limited by guarantee, registered in Ireland (company number 334436) with its registered offices at 52/55 Lower Camden Street, Dublin 2 (together, referred to as “Concern”).
    It's not even a foundation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭ScissorPaperRock


    If people are worried about where their money goes when they donate to these kinds of organisations maybe it's as important to look at the work being done as it is to look at salaries and commissions.

    The development industry is not one where results are easily achieved. 50/60 years of international development aid shows us this. For me, it's important that the best, most qualified people are employed in this sector. It's not only about being charitable and everyone giving away what they can. It's about getting the job done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 135 ✭✭lo0kash


    OK, I'm going to cancel the DD and request all my details to be removed from their db. But I do want to support another charity organisation - I would appreciate any advice in choosing the right one.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7 AllAboutAoibh


    How about:
    The Rape Crisis Centre
    The Simon Community
    Childline
    Samaritans
    Barnardos
    Console(Works with people bereaved by suicide and creates mental health awareness)
    Meningitis Trust
    Threshold.

    Plenty of worthwhile charities at home OP, and in my opinion I think helping children, homeless people, and people with mental health issues is a great thing, as one can see the results of their help. Also, I think we have a lot of problems in our own country before we can be concerned with others...Ask what you can do for your country and all that... Just my two cents.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭ScissorPaperRock


    Also, I think we have a lot of problems in our own country before we can be concerned with others....

    Why? Are Irish lives more important? A person living within Irish borders should have more concern for another who lives inside the same borders?

    Irish people have much more opportunity and assistance available to them than those in developing countries.

    People in some of the poorest countries in the world have little to no opportunity to lift themselves out of the poverty trap into which they were born. Surely they are just as deserving of assistance.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7 AllAboutAoibh


    Why? Are Irish lives more important? A person living within Irish borders should have more concern for another who lives inside the same borders?

    Irish people have much more opportunity and assistance available to them than those in developing countries.

    People in some of the poorest countries in the world have little to no opportunity to lift themselves out of the poverty trap into which they were born. Surely they are just as deserving of assistance.


    Nope, I'm not suggesting for a minute that our lives are more important. What a fanciful notion, we are all equal. I just think that a lot of people are oblivious to the divide between rich and poor in this country. It is not as obvious as that of developing countries, as it not advertised on our tv's 24/7. Even so much as dropping off a load of tinned food to your parish or anything like that, could go along way. In an ideal world, we'd solve everyone's poverty, but I'd settle for now, for making people aware of whats going on in their own localities.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,018 ✭✭✭Mike 1972




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 569 ✭✭✭CoolHat


    lo0kash wrote: »
    Just signed a form to donate. But when the woman left my house I started to think about it and now I feel pretty annoyed because I realized how manipulated I was.... 1) I asked about online donating and she said its not possible and I can only donate by filling the form - totally not true 2) She asked to donate 11e - I asked where that figure came from but didnt get straight answer. Then she said if I donate 21e or more they will get another 18e from the government. I connected the dots later, 11 was only to make getting additional tenner easier! There is nothing about donating 11e on their website - there is another campaign about donating 7e.
    Did anyone experienced anything similar? I feel a bit like a fool now:( I know they have to get money but is lying and manipulating people a proper way to do this? I will defo think twice next time someone from charity knocks to my door:(

    So... She originally said 11. Then manipulated you up to donating 21euro?
    sounds like that money is going into her backpocket. Partially if not all. I really think you should be using the word "con" rather than manipulating.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,136 ✭✭✭WooPeeA


    lo0kash wrote: »
    OK, I'm going to cancel the DD and request all my details to be removed from their db. But I do want to support another charity organisation - I would appreciate any advice in choosing the right one.
    I always put some coins into a cancer charity box. Cancer is a hard disease. Can be painful, and very expensive to cure.

    And there is no better donation than your own blood. You can get free chocolate with that one. :)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 843 ✭✭✭maygitchell


    WooPeeA wrote: »
    I always put some coins into a cancer charity box. Cancer is a hard disease. Can be painful, and very expensive to cure.

    And there is no better donation than your own blood. You can get free chocolate with that one. :)

    True that homes, or even better, platlets and bone marrow if you have big cohones


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭humbert


    WooPeeA wrote: »
    I always put some coins into a cancer charity box. Cancer is a hard disease. Can be painful, and very expensive to cure.

    Yeah, and you have to fight those bastards on the street out to "support cancer/MS/Asthma"!


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,527 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    humbert wrote: »
    Yeah, and you have to fight those bastards on the street out to "support cancer/MS/Asthma"!
    I have MS so can get away with saying this.Does anyone not think it's a bit mad to be doing sponsored walks for MS??If I could walk like that they wouldn't need to fundraise!!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 843 ✭✭✭maygitchell


    I have MS so can get away with saying this.Does anyone not think it's a bit mad to be doing sponsored walks for MS??If I could walk like that they wouldn't need to fundraise!!

    Ouch! used to do the readathon every year when I was younger! :p


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