Charity - Concern

lo0kash

Just signed a form to donate. But when the woman left my house I started to think about it and now I feel pretty annoyed because I realized how manipulated I was.... 1) I asked about online donating and she said its not possible and I can only donate by filling the form - totally not true 2) She asked to donate 11e - I asked where that figure came from but didnt get straight answer. Then she said if I donate 21e or more they will get another 18e from the government. I connected the dots later, 11 was only to make getting additional tenner easier! There is nothing about donating 11e on their website - there is another campaign about donating 7e.
Did anyone experienced anything similar? I feel a bit like a fool now:( I know they have to get money but is lying and manipulating people a proper way to do this? I will defo think twice next time someone from charity knocks to my door:(

jaykay74

lo0kash wrote: »

Did anyone experienced anything similar?

My opinion on this matter will cost 44 euro (8 of which I will give to charity though).

squod

lo0kash wrote: »

Just signed a form to donate. But when the woman left my house I started to think about it and now I feel pretty annoyed because I realized how manipulated I was.... 1) I asked about online donating and she said its not possible and I can only donate by filling the form - totally not true 2) She asked to donate 11e - I asked where that figure came from but didnt get straight answer. Then she said if I donate 21e or more they will get another 18e from the government. I connected the dots later, 11 was only to make getting additional tenner easier! There is nothing about donating 11e on their website - there is another campaign about donating 7e.
Did anyone experienced anything similar? I feel a bit like a fool now:( I know they have to get money but is lying and manipulating people a proper way to do this? I will defo think twice next time someone from charity knocks to my door:(

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lo0kash

k, got it.

Biggins

Ring up the bank on Monday ASAP - or call in - and try cancelling any standing orders that might be applicable to you.

lo0kash

Biggins wrote: »

Ring up the bank on Monday ASAP - or call in - and try cancelling any standing orders that might be applicable to you.

Yeh, was thinking about doing that. Or are you suspecting that was a scam?


Edit: sorry I've read you just this DD, I think I can see sarcasm now.

cassid

"Our pledge is to treat all our donors with respect, honesty and openness"
sounds like the need to implement their own internal policy of ethical fundraising.

http://www.concern.net/sites/concern.net/files/images/concerndonorcharterforfundraising.pdf

Saila

so you are..concerned then.







the irony is delicious

lo0kash

Saila wrote: »

so you are..concerned then.
the irony is delicious

Starting this thread really helped - I feel less annoyed now

TheZohanS

lo0kash wrote: »

Just signed a form to donate. But when the woman left my house I started to think about it and now I feel pretty annoyed because I realized how manipulated I was.... 1) I asked about online donating and she said its not possible and I can only donate by filling the form - totally not true 2) She asked to donate 11e - I asked where that figure came from but didnt get straight answer. Then she said if I donate 21e or more they will get another 18e from the government. I connected the dots later, 11 was only to make getting additional tenner easier! There is nothing about donating 11e on their website - there is another campaign about donating 7e.
Did anyone experienced anything similar? I feel a bit like a fool now:( I know they have to get money but is lying and manipulating people a proper way to do this? I will defo think twice next time someone from charity knocks to my door:(

She's working as a rep with a professional fundraising company, they'll get your sign up money in commission along with your first months payment if you've completed a direct debit.

Concerns CEO was on €140,000 a few years ago plus expenses. Source.

I certainly wouldn't be donating my hard earned money to Concern.

Celly Smunt

who else is going to pay for the badly needed over staffed middle management?

dory

AKAIK they ring you after you've filled in the forms to be sure you meant to do it and that you still want to so you may get chance to stop the standing order if you're not happy with it.

lo0kash

TheZohan wrote: »

She's working as a rep with a professional fundraising company, they'll get your sign up money in commission along with your first months payment if you've completed a direct debit.

Concerns CEO was on €140,000 a few years ago plus expenses. Source.

I certainly wouldn't be donating my hard earned money to Concern.

Thank you so much. I wanted to help but got a lesson.

lo0kash

dory wrote: »

AKAIK they ring you after you've filled in the forms to be sure you meant to do it and that you still want to so you may get chance to stop the standing order if you're not happy with it.

That is what she said. I'm going to give detailed description of the visit and how I was led to signing 21e donation.

orourkeda

Fack off charity

WindSock

What's your problem? You agreed to donate the €21 per month, and it goes further with the taxback. You can stop the donations any time you want, you goddamn child killer :mad:

Or you can reduce the monthly SO to whatever figure you can manage. Also, most of the donations don't go straight into the CEO or any others employees pockets but keep thinking that if it makes you feel better about it.

TheZohanS

lo0kash wrote: »

Thank you so much. I wanted to help but got a lesson.

Don't feel bad, I'm familiar with their type of sales technique, it's all pressure sales, a proven formula that basically relies on NLP. A lot of people would fall for it.

humbert

WindSock wrote: »

What's your problem? You agreed to donate the €21 per month, and it goes further with the taxback. You can stop the donations any time you want, you goddamn child killer :mad:

Haha, nothing like a bit of the old frothing at the mouth hyperbole to get your point across.

Lord TSC

I've not forgiven Concern since they chose not to let my debate team win few years back. Bastards. :mad:

Hazys

Ringing up the bank to sort this seems like too much hassle.

Just rob 21 euro worth of stuff off poor people each month and you'll break even.

lo0kash

WindSock wrote: »

What's your problem?

I'm not sure how serious you are but my problem is - as I wrote before - that I was manipulated and I was lied to.

bnt

They try to get you to donate a specific small amount because of human psychology: people don't like open-ended commitments. They think people are more likely to donate if the donation is fixed. I saw this start all at once about ten years ago, so I bet that's when some marketing survey about that hit the mainstream. :rolleyes:

Micky Dolenz

TheZohan wrote: »

She's working as a rep with a professional fundraising company, they'll get your sign up money in commission along with your first months payment if you've completed a direct debit.

Concerns CEO was on €140,000 a few years ago plus expenses. Source.

I certainly wouldn't be donating my hard earned money to Concern.

Who would you donate your hard earned cash to?

And do you think Concern do any good work?

Kidchameleon

If I won the Lotto tomorrow I wouldn't gave a cent of it to these bastards. OP, you were manipulated, I would first cancel any payments and secondly, complain about the chugger who called to your door.

MightyMighty737

Yeah, the office wil ring you within a few days for feedback on the person who called to your door.

What I was told was 11 quid was the minimum donation they accepted.

kincsem

Concern: company; firm; business; enterprise.

We are unconcerned by your dilemma.

nlgbbbblth

It's a direct debit not a standing order. Big difference.

Concern = pricks.

The worst of all the chugger factories.

TheZohanS

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Who would you donate your hard earned cash to?

And do you think Concern do any good work?

The fr Peter McVerry fund that works with the homeless, I've fundraised for them before.

General General

I just won't give my bank details to one of these guys, as it is too hard to verify whether or not they are genuine.

So, one night, this guy calls, mid 40s, I'd say, says he is actually the team leader, goes through his sales routine, I sez, we do contribute, but not via direct debit ever, he asks why not, I say how I effectively cannot verify..., he points out some kind of charter promise, which I calmly point out makes no difference (actually, to point out where there is a written statement that you can trust the guy who is pointing it out to you tested my straight-faced-ness/patience)... again he tries, then I state: look, I don't want to waste your time... & that is what you are doing here, as we just won't give you the details for the dd.

Then, he just gives up & walks away muttering... I've never seen such an ungraceful exit by a sales person. My wife was stunned by how unpleasant his reaction was, given how polite I'd been about it.

He did his organization no favours that night, especially being a 'team leader'.

lo0kash

TheZohan wrote: »

The fr Peter McVerry fund that works with the homeless, I've fundraised for them before.

What about trocaire?

carlybabe1

WindSock wrote: »

What's your problem? You agreed to donate the €21 per month, and it goes further with the taxback. You can stop the donations any time you want, you goddamn child killer :mad:

Or you can reduce the monthly SO to whatever figure you can manage. Also, most of the donations don't go straight into the CEO or any others employees pockets but keep thinking that if it makes you feel better about it.

ehhh, over-react much I dont think the op is actually a child kill......

oh wait....now i get it :D Doh!!

WooPeeA

Those people asking for donations get paid. It's not a charity work.

I prefer to do wire transfer to chosen by me charity myself or put few euros into the box in the local shop. At least I know where it's going and I know that it won't be spent on hundreds of salaries.

mickydoomsux

WooPeeA wrote: »

Those people asking for donations get paid. It's not a charity work.

Yeah, when you see jobs for "sales" advertised it can often be shilling for charities.

There's big money to be made in charity.

Show Time

Charity starts at home.

x_Ellie_x

I hate that charity and I'll never give money to them again. I used to give them €21 per month through a DD from my bank account but I had to cancel it when I was made redundant. As soon as they figured out I'd cancelled it, I got a very rude phone call from them. I explained to the bitch that I'd lost my job due to the recession & I couldn't afford to donate anymore but she just got ruder and ruder as the call went on until I just hung up on her. They have some fcuking cnuts and bastards working for them.

Esoteric_

My boyfriend worked for Concern for a while, doing the door to door begging (sorry, charity collecting), and the reason they ask for a donation of 11 per month is because they are on commission.

Basically, they get 9 euro an hour basic wage. They have to get X amount of sign ups per week. A sign up has to be a minimum of 11 euro for it to 'count' as a sign up and for them to get their commission (if they get one sign up per day, their wage increases by 2 euro per hour for each day, so if they get one sign up on a Monday evening, they'll be paid 11 per hour instead of 9 per hour for that day).

Basically, you can offer 2 euro a month but they won't accept it because they need you to give 11 per month for them to get their sign up and keep them from being sacked basically.

I'm still paying them (payment coming out tomorrow actually), but am gonna cancel it soon.

Frynge

Should have asked if they were barnardos......

waited for the reply....

"no concern"

'me neither':D

rubadub

WooPeeA wrote: »

Those people asking for donations get paid. It's not a charity work.

Yeah, its big business. When people in consumer forums used to moan about shops charging a lot (because people pay it) I used to reply that thay are a business, not a charity. But that saying really doesn't have much meaning.

WooPeeA

From their website:

Concern Charity Trading Limited, a company limited by guarantee, registered in Ireland (company number 334436) with its registered offices at 52/55 Lower Camden Street, Dublin 2 (together, referred to as “Concern”).

It's not even a foundation.

ScissorPaperRock

If people are worried about where their money goes when they donate to these kinds of organisations maybe it's as important to look at the work being done as it is to look at salaries and commissions.

The development industry is not one where results are easily achieved. 50/60 years of international development aid shows us this. For me, it's important that the best, most qualified people are employed in this sector. It's not only about being charitable and everyone giving away what they can. It's about getting the job done.

lo0kash

OK, I'm going to cancel the DD and request all my details to be removed from their db. But I do want to support another charity organisation - I would appreciate any advice in choosing the right one.

AllAboutAoibh

How about:
The Rape Crisis Centre
The Simon Community
Childline
Samaritans
Barnardos
Console(Works with people bereaved by suicide and creates mental health awareness)
Meningitis Trust
Threshold.

Plenty of worthwhile charities at home OP, and in my opinion I think helping children, homeless people, and people with mental health issues is a great thing, as one can see the results of their help. Also, I think we have a lot of problems in our own country before we can be concerned with others...Ask what you can do for your country and all that... Just my two cents.

ScissorPaperRock

AllAboutAoibh wrote: »

Also, I think we have a lot of problems in our own country before we can be concerned with others....

Why? Are Irish lives more important? A person living within Irish borders should have more concern for another who lives inside the same borders?

Irish people have much more opportunity and assistance available to them than those in developing countries.

People in some of the poorest countries in the world have little to no opportunity to lift themselves out of the poverty trap into which they were born. Surely they are just as deserving of assistance.

AllAboutAoibh

ScissorPaperRoc wrote: »

Why? Are Irish lives more important? A person living within Irish borders should have more concern for another who lives inside the same borders?

Irish people have much more opportunity and assistance available to them than those in developing countries.

People in some of the poorest countries in the world have little to no opportunity to lift themselves out of the poverty trap into which they were born. Surely they are just as deserving of assistance.

Nope, I'm not suggesting for a minute that our lives are more important. What a fanciful notion, we are all equal. I just think that a lot of people are oblivious to the divide between rich and poor in this country. It is not as obvious as that of developing countries, as it not advertised on our tv's 24/7. Even so much as dropping off a load of tinned food to your parish or anything like that, could go along way. In an ideal world, we'd solve everyone's poverty, but I'd settle for now, for making people aware of whats going on in their own localities.

Mike 1972

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXQONELEhbE

:eek:

CoolHat

lo0kash wrote: »

Just signed a form to donate. But when the woman left my house I started to think about it and now I feel pretty annoyed because I realized how manipulated I was.... 1) I asked about online donating and she said its not possible and I can only donate by filling the form - totally not true 2) She asked to donate 11e - I asked where that figure came from but didnt get straight answer. Then she said if I donate 21e or more they will get another 18e from the government. I connected the dots later, 11 was only to make getting additional tenner easier! There is nothing about donating 11e on their website - there is another campaign about donating 7e.
Did anyone experienced anything similar? I feel a bit like a fool now:( I know they have to get money but is lying and manipulating people a proper way to do this? I will defo think twice next time someone from charity knocks to my door:(

So... She originally said 11. Then manipulated you up to donating 21euro?
sounds like that money is going into her backpocket. Partially if not all. I really think you should be using the word "con" rather than manipulating.

WooPeeA

lo0kash wrote: »

OK, I'm going to cancel the DD and request all my details to be removed from their db. But I do want to support another charity organisation - I would appreciate any advice in choosing the right one.

I always put some coins into a cancer charity box. Cancer is a hard disease. Can be painful, and very expensive to cure.

And there is no better donation than your own blood. You can get free chocolate with that one.

maygitchell

WooPeeA wrote: »

I always put some coins into a cancer charity box. Cancer is a hard disease. Can be painful, and very expensive to cure.

And there is no better donation than your own blood. You can get free chocolate with that one.

True that homes, or even better, platlets and bone marrow if you have big cohones

humbert

WooPeeA wrote: »

I always put some coins into a cancer charity box. Cancer is a hard disease. Can be painful, and very expensive to cure.

Yeah, and you have to fight those bastards on the street out to "support cancer/MS/Asthma"!

byhookorbycrook

humbert wrote: »

Yeah, and you have to fight those bastards on the street out to "support cancer/MS/Asthma"!

I have MS so can get away with saying this.Does anyone not think it's a bit mad to be doing sponsored walks for MS??If I could walk like that they wouldn't need to fundraise!!

maygitchell

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

I have MS so can get away with saying this.Does anyone not think it's a bit mad to be doing sponsored walks for MS??If I could walk like that they wouldn't need to fundraise!!

Ouch! used to do the readathon every year when I was younger!