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vanderbadger · 27-09-2011 01:20PM

whelan1 wrote: »

just slipped in the yard with a full knapsack on my back- all i hurt was my pride

another job for the concrete groovers whelan

reilig · 27-09-2011 02:15PM

Bodacious wrote: »

Im hearing cattle are back a bit lads/ladies? Glut of the weanlings coming out now and weather is so wet is it having an effect on prices?! Or were people expecting unrealistic weanling prices altogether

I was at a sale on saturday and another one yesterday (for a short while). No sign of prices easing around here. Export buyers were out in full force. Great buying for blues - especially in Elphin. Although the blues were mainly left to the dealers while the farmers got stuck into the Chaorlais and the Limousins and pushed some of them beyond the blues - crazy stuff, farmers seem to want to buy as many as they can afford, they don't seem to worry about how much they have to pay for them.

Lots of poorer animals out too - 10 month calves weighing 220kg etc. Prices low enough for these. Anything with quality is still selling exceptionally well.

BeeDI · 27-09-2011 02:35PM

reilig wrote: »

I was at a sale on saturday and another one yesterday (for a short while). No sign of prices easing around here. Export buyers were out in full force. Great buying for blues - especially in Elphin. Although the blues were mainly left to the dealers while the farmers got stuck into the Chaorlais and the Limousins and pushed some of them beyond the blues - crazy stuff, farmers seem to want to buy as many as they can afford, they don't seem to worry about how much they have to pay for them.

Lots of poorer animals out too - 10 month calves weighing 220kg etc. Prices low enough for these. Anything with quality is still selling exceptionally well.

Some say blues are well back, but I think it's more a case of Char and Lim well up, compared to last year. The difference has narrowed considerably.
I think there is the general feel good factor driving farmers to buy stock PLUS, a feeling that a pen of dearish cattle in the shed, is a safer bet than the money in the bank:eek:

whelan1 · 27-09-2011 02:46PM

weefarmer wrote: »

I fell a few months ago when spraying the spuds, it wasns easy trying to get back up from between the drills

i slipped in ****! was covered in it , trying to get up was an ordeal alright

dryan · 27-09-2011 03:27PM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/8791716/Rihanna-ordered-to-cover-up-by-Christian-farmer.html

she can run after my bullocks any day!

lakill Farm · 27-09-2011 03:38PM

why would she not cover up .......... her ears with a god pair of muffs

thats a cu*t of a noisy fiat coming up the hill

snowman707 · 27-09-2011 04:45PM

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she can run after my bullocks any day![/QUOTE]

Hadn't my reading glasses on ,:eek: had to read your post twice

blue5000 · 27-09-2011 06:14PM

dryan wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/8791716/Rihanna-ordered-to-cover-up-by-Christian-farmer.html

she can run after my bullocks any day!

Ahhhhh

Jezus

Muckit · 27-09-2011 06:35PM

Seen an article in the Indo aswell today about it. oh mamma!!

Bizzum · 27-09-2011 09:37PM

I wonder would she fall in sh1te under the weight of a full Knapsack.

I'd pay good money to see her getting up if she did:D

keep going · 27-09-2011 09:53PM

dryan wrote: »

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/8791716/Rihanna-ordered-to-cover-up-by-Christian-farmer.html

she can run after my bullocks any day!

saw the piece about this on the news yesterday about this and reckon yer man should go away and cut his barley and let her do her thing.we,d have much better view:D

johngalway · 27-09-2011 09:58PM

keep going wrote: »

saw the piece about this on the news yesterday about this and reckon yer man should go away and cut his barley and let her do her thing.we,d have much better view:D

Ulster says NO!

Mr.Success · 27-09-2011 10:00PM

i mowed silage just this evening

LostCovey · 27-09-2011 10:03PM

keep going wrote: »

saw the piece about this on the news yesterday about this and reckon yer man should go away and cut his barley and let her do her thing.we,d have much better view:D

In fairness she had a go at being "sensitive to the local culture" with the red white & blue colour scheme.

Just not enough of sensitivity, though, for a man who sounded like he had a fairly sheltered life.

Having said that, no amount of experience could prepare you for the sight of Rihanna togging out in yer barley!

LC

whelan1 · 28-09-2011 07:34AM

Mr.Success wrote: »

i mowed silage just this evening

we mowed 10 acres of 3rd cut aswell yesterday, going to do bales on it... looks like today is going to be a fab day

reilig · 28-09-2011 08:37AM

Did anyone hear the Donegal Senator on the radio yesterday talking about the family that gets €90,000 per year in benefits. A guy from the INOU came on and actually tried to defend all of these payments saying that they were justified, but he also told the senator that his figures were wrong. He gave the proper figures which were actually more than the Senator had quoted. I spoke to a friend who works in the Department of Social welfare last night who says that it is possible to get this amount of money if you have the right number of children with the correct illnesses (No offence to anyone) and there are a few families across the country who receive this.

Its broken down as follows:
- Father suffers from depression and gets disability allowance
- One child has a disability and the family receives a HSe support payment because of this
- Mother gets double carers allowance for caring for father and child.
- They have a second Foster child and the HSE pays a weekly foster care allowance
- They get rent allowance every week.
- They get children's allowance

They get over €1700 in tax free payments from the government every week.

The guy from the INOU tried to argue that the €120 per week that they get for rent allowance cannot be counted as income because its is paid directly to the landlord (Bullsh1t).

Heard on the radio this morning that the same family also has a pa who comes into their house every day to make breakfast for the children, clean the house, do the washing, bring the kids to school and help with dinner making and homework in the evenings. This PA costs €20,000 per year is is paid for by the HSE. The child with the disability has a learning difficulty, but is strong enough to go to school in a main stream school.

This country is a sham. Myself and the Mrs work 70 hours a week. I work another 30 hours on the farm. We barely see €1000 every week. We have no medical card, we pay health insurance, we pay €280 per week in a mortgage.

Would we be better off financially if we didn't work?

whelan1 · 28-09-2011 08:38AM

Bizzum wrote: »

I wonder would she fall in sh1te under the weight of a full Knapsack.

I'd pay good money to see her getting up if she did:D

i am sure she would have a lot of helpers to help her get up

Tipp Man · 28-09-2011 08:45AM

reilig wrote: »

Did anyone hear the Donegal Senator on the radio yesterday talking about the family that gets €90,000 per year in benefits. A guy from the INOU came on and actually tried to defend all of these payments saying that they were justified, but he also told the senator that his figures were wrong. He gave the proper figures which were actually more than the Senator had quoted. I spoke to a friend who works in the Department of Social welfare last night who says that it is possible to get this amount of money if you have the right number of children with the correct illnesses (No offence to anyone) and there are a few families across the country who receive this.

Its broken down as follows:
- Father suffers from depression and gets disability allowance
- One child has a disability and the family receives a HSe support payment because of this
- Mother gets double carers allowance for caring for father and child.
- They have a second Foster child and the HSE pays a weekly foster care allowance
- They get rent allowance every week.
- They get children's allowance

They get over €1700 in tax free payments from the government every week.

The guy from the INOU tried to argue that the €120 per week that they get for rent allowance cannot be counted as income because its is paid directly to the landlord (Bullsh1t).

Heard on the radio this morning that the same family also has a pa who comes into their house every day to make breakfast for the children, clean the house, do the washing, bring the kids to school and help with dinner making and homework in the evenings. This PA costs €20,000 per year is is paid for by the HSE. The child with the disability has a learning difficulty, but is strong enough to go to school in a main stream school.

This country is a sham. Myself and the Mrs work 70 hours a week. I work another 30 hours on the farm. We barely see €1000 every week. We have no medical card, we pay health insurance, we pay €280 per week in a mortgage.

Would we be better off financially if we didn't work?

Of course you would be better off - but you must remember 1 thing. You belong to the group called the payers - a group which is paying for everything, either directly or through tax, and getting little or nothing in return.

That crowd belong to a group called the grabbers - they take everything they can get their hands on for free regardless of how the payers have to suffer.

Now your problem is that to move from being a payer to being a grabber is next to impossible - especially in your case where you own land. You will forever be a payer and over the next few years you'll be expected to pay even more.

After all we have to keep "THE VUNERABLE IN OUR SOCIETY" in 1 of the highest standards of living in the world

pakalasa · 28-09-2011 09:03AM

Well,
If the truth be known, it's the German taxpayer that is paying for it, in the form of a bailout.
This country is seriously messed up.

towzer2010 · 28-09-2011 09:26AM

reilig wrote: »

Did anyone hear the Donegal Senator on the radio yesterday talking about the family that gets €90,000 per year in benefits. A guy from the INOU came on and actually tried to defend all of these payments saying that they were justified, but he also told the senator that his figures were wrong. He gave the proper figures which were actually more than the Senator had quoted. I spoke to a friend who works in the Department of Social welfare last night who says that it is possible to get this amount of money if you have the right number of children with the correct illnesses (No offence to anyone) and there are a few families across the country who receive this.

Its broken down as follows:
- Father suffers from depression and gets disability allowance
- One child has a disability and the family receives a HSe support payment because of this
- Mother gets double carers allowance for caring for father and child.
- They have a second Foster child and the HSE pays a weekly foster care allowance
- They get rent allowance every week.
- They get children's allowance

They get over €1700 in tax free payments from the government every week.

The guy from the INOU tried to argue that the €120 per week that they get for rent allowance cannot be counted as income because its is paid directly to the landlord (Bullsh1t).

Heard on the radio this morning that the same family also has a pa who comes into their house every day to make breakfast for the children, clean the house, do the washing, bring the kids to school and help with dinner making and homework in the evenings. This PA costs €20,000 per year is is paid for by the HSE. The child with the disability has a learning difficulty, but is strong enough to go to school in a main stream school.

This country is a sham. Myself and the Mrs work 70 hours a week. I work another 30 hours on the farm. We barely see €1000 every week. We have no medical card, we pay health insurance, we pay €280 per week in a mortgage.

Would we be better off financially if we didn't work?

I heard that alright. The usual crazy stuff but how could it be otherwise in a country that doesnt hold anyone accountable for anything. (unless its an old woman that is fond of trees)

On the whole issue of dole fraud I remember years ago anyoneone sigining on had to attend the garda station once a week in order to get the dole. Thats not reallly applicable anymore but surely someone claiming dole should be available once a week to make sure they were still in Ireland at least.

Unless of course they are busy at work.

Upstream · 28-09-2011 09:32AM

I reckon we'll here a lot more stories like that before the budget, to soften peoples attitudes to possible welfare cuts. There'll be some tough decisions for the government to make.

The previous governments attitude was to try and solve every problem by throwing money at it. They thought they had lots of it after all.

The problem was, the grabbers soon learned how to play the system, and while they could say the only got what they were entitled to, in reality they got far far too much. Lots of stories about people saying that recent welfare cuts meant they found it very difficult to afford their Sky TV package anymore...

And then on the other hand there are those with genuine needs on welfare who are just scraping by.

It's not going to be a simple problem to solve

vincenzolorenzo · 28-09-2011 09:34AM

AFAIK the rules had changed during the boom meaning that a person on dole received their money direct into their accounts but that when the whole controversy of dole money going straight to people in Poland erupted Mary Hanifin changed the rules back to the old way meaning people had to physically sign on.

Cases like that one you've described reilig can be found all over the country and it is so demoralising to the rest of the population who work hard and pay their taxes. I know of a mechanic who was let go a couple of years ago, has had offers of work since but couldn't/wouldn't take them as he would be worse off financially if he did. At the end of the day a lot of it comes down to the sort of person you are. I know I couldn't sit around at home all day scratching myself, but thats just me

vincenzolorenzo · 28-09-2011 09:36AM

Upstream wrote: »

It's not going to be a simple problem to solve

You can sing that. Impossible to sort fairly I would say. If they bring in the cuts needed to stop welfare fraud there'll be thousands of genuine people who simply won't have enough to survive on.

whelan1 · 28-09-2011 09:46AM

reilig wrote: »

Did anyone hear the Donegal Senator on the radio yesterday talking about the family that gets €90,000 per year in benefits.
The child with the disability has a learning difficulty, but is strong enough to go to school in a main stream school.

This country is a sham.

Would we be better off financially if we didn't work?

ok while i dont agree with the amount of the payments , my nephew is 4 has severe epilepsy- was extremely lucky to be able to start school with a special needs assistant- his mam - my sister- has ms diagnosed last year, will never work again... she gets disability , luckily her child got a medical card , she didnt get one:mad: her husband works full time . They get a home help for 2 hours a week. The child goes to occupational therapy- i think its called - twice a week. She never has money , they have a mortgage, they also have another child, appointments in temple street and beaumount are very regular, after reading reiligs post they would be better off if her husband wasnt working at all

BeeDI · 28-09-2011 09:51AM

Ah, you can forget about any part of government cleaning up it's act and working efficiently of stamping out waste.
The FAS mindset still prevails ............... corruption, corruption, corruption.
Did ye see that FAS centre built in the centre of a bog in Offaly, for training construction equipment drivers

Millions spent, practically nobody there, and the few thet need to go there for a course cant find it in the wilderness:P
You know, it seems to me that there should be a MASSIVE inquiry done into the activities of FAS over the years ................. they seem to have given out some real gravy contracts to the "insiders" to do this that and the other, with no proper accountability. FFS:eek:

vincenzolorenzo · 28-09-2011 09:58AM

BeeDI wrote: »

Ah, you can forget about any part of government cleaning up it's act and working efficiently of stamping out waste.
The FAS mindset still prevails ............... corruption, corruption, corruption.
Did ye see that FAS centre built in the centre of a bog in Offaly, for training construction equipment drivers Millions spent, practically nobody there, and the few thet need to go there for a course cant find it in the wilderness:P
You know, it seems to me that there should be a MASSIVE inquiry done into the activities of FAS over the years ................. they seem to have given out some real gravy contracts to the "insiders" to do this that and the other, with no proper accountability. FFS:eek:

Reilig works for FAS doesn't he?!

Suckler · 28-09-2011 09:58AM

reilig wrote: »

Did anyone hear the Donegal Senator on the radio yesterday talking about the family that gets €90,000 per year in benefits. A guy from the INOU came on and actually tried to defend all of these payments saying that they were justified, but he also told the senator that his figures were wrong. He gave the proper figures which were actually more than the Senator had quoted. I spoke to a friend who works in the Department of Social welfare last night who says that it is possible to get this amount of money if you have the right number of children with the correct illnesses (No offence to anyone) and there are a few families across the country who receive this.

Its broken down as follows:
- Father suffers from depression and gets disability allowance
- One child has a disability and the family receives a HSe support payment because of this
- Mother gets double carers allowance for caring for father and child.
- They have a second Foster child and the HSE pays a weekly foster care allowance
- They get rent allowance every week.
- They get children's allowance

They get over €1700 in tax free payments from the government every week.

The guy from the INOU tried to argue that the €120 per week that they get for rent allowance cannot be counted as income because its is paid directly to the landlord (Bullsh1t).

Heard on the radio this morning that the same family also has a pa who comes into their house every day to make breakfast for the children, clean the house, do the washing, bring the kids to school and help with dinner making and homework in the evenings. This PA costs €20,000 per year is is paid for by the HSE. The child with the disability has a learning difficulty, but is strong enough to go to school in a main stream school.

This country is a sham. Myself and the Mrs work 70 hours a week. I work another 30 hours on the farm. We barely see €1000 every week. We have no medical card, we pay health insurance, we pay €280 per week in a mortgage.

Would we be better off financially if we didn't work?

This could/should be split in to a separte thread - not going to end up as farming chit chat! ( Entirely up to the OP of course)

I fully agree Reilig. I left the country to find work, would love to come home but now that I have left "the system" would receive nothing. Yet those who have sat around for years and decided "sure there's no jobs" still get their weekly pay out. I remember trying to get JSA before I left; the SW office ensured it was a most degrading process and in the end they stated I hadn't been looking for work hard enough. I was home for a week, saw how many people are happy to trundle along with life and get their payments. One was even happy to announce he'l never work again due to the payments he's getting.

Joan Burton announced that she was going to tackle the ethos that "some" see social welfare as a lifestyle choice and she was nearly cut in half for speaking out. I'm no fan of hers by a long shot but she's bang on there. Next time any of ye venture in to town check out which day is busiest in the chippers/coffee shops - Social welfare day. Those who say they are strapped for cash / will baulk at the mere notion of social welfare cuts still find money to pay for a couple of cups of coffee, scones etc. even when I was working I found this to take the guts of a tenner out of my pocket and I wouldn't pay it.

Sadly I agree with upstream and vincenzo's summaries.
It's sickening.

whelan1 · 28-09-2011 10:02AM

have a lad doing 3 days a week for me at the minute- as my husband is away working- he has a child lives with the childs mother, she gets rent allowance lone parents allowance , has a medical card etc , he gets dole 2 days a week... i on the other hand couldnt afford to bring my kids to the doctor earlier on in the year , had to get a lend off someone , think the whole system is so wrong. There should be free medical care for kids . Also on another thread we where talking of the sw did a swoop on a new estate somewhere at 6am caught aload of lads in bed with their partners while they where claiming lone parents etc. Think there is alot of resentment growing towards these people now

Suckler · 28-09-2011 10:18AM

whelan1 wrote: »

- he has a child lives with the childs mother, she gets rent allowance lone parents allowance / on another thread we where talking of the sw did a swoop on a new estate somewhere at 6am caught aload of lads in bed with their partners while they where claiming lone parents etc. Think there is alot of resentment growing towards these people now

Growing resentment but people need to start reporting these infringements. They are stealing from you, you paid taxes etc. and are losing out on the benefit of that tax as its going to them.

whelan1 · 28-09-2011 10:21AM

Suckler wrote: »

Growing resentment but people need to start reporting these infringements. They are stealing from you, you paid taxes etc. and are losing out on the benefit of that tax as its going to them.

yup, heard of one family who where caught out 15 years they had been claiming:eek:

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