Time travel makes no sense

Agricola · 24-09-2011 10:56PM

py2006 wrote: »

I saw a Delorean in Cabra one day....I often wonder!

I wouldnt. A well minded one will cost and arm and a leg and the build quality is questionable to say the least.

Scrappychimow · 24-09-2011 11:01PM

What if your whole life is a dream and then you wake up and look at the clock, and remember you had a nap for 5 minutes, but the clock is 5 minutes fast, and you are dreaming that its 5 minutes slow, but then you wake up from that dream and you realise you had a dream within a dream, but then that dream begins to collapse and the only way back to reality is to time travel to reset the hands of the clock - so it won't be 5 minutes fast anymore.

Just think about that, time travel is real.

4leto · 24-09-2011 11:02PM

I would love to find out are my ascendants morlocks or eloi, morlock I hope. the Eloi are just slackers.

Tayla · 24-09-2011 11:32PM

People always say that if you travel back in time it would have to be in such a way that it didn't change anything, how exactly would that be possible? Unless people time travelled back simply as spectators and there was no way to interact with the people then there would be a pretty big chance of there being changes to world history...what if I time traveled back to Martin Luther Kings speech, appeared there beside him and said that I was a time traveller, the whole world would have seen that so wouldn't that world then be changed going in to the future?

But that future has already happened for us so our 'past' and our memories couldn't change.

To me that just proves that it's impossible, not that it if it's done it would have to be done in a way that didn't influence the future. How could it be stopped from influencing the future?

I think time travel to the future could be possible but not back in time.

4leto wrote: »

I read a theory that the universe is a hologram (not as far out as that statement seems) so if that was true you could get replays and jumps and skips in time but we would never be aware of them.

I saw that in a documentary and in the documentary the theory was that far out

mawk · 24-09-2011 11:57PM

Temptamperu wrote: »

Im sure if there was time travelers we would see the caravans everywhere :pac:

Don't you mean everywhen?

opinion guy · 25-09-2011 12:32AM

This thread needs a theme tune:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NMph943tsw

nacho libre · 25-09-2011 01:40AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHC8z6ULs18

I haven't heard much from this guy of late.

25-09-2011 01:50AM

In my opinion, time travel in the BTTF sense is impossible. It might be possible to alter the passing of time with black holes but this isn't a "go back to the 1940s and see Hitler" style of time travel.

Alan b. · 25-09-2011 01:50AM

Time is what happens even while nothing else is happening.
as said, it's only a name we attach to something to help us understand it.

travalling forward would be possible, but it's not really travveling forward, its more slowing yourself down, and time just keeps on going, as does everything around you.

the process involves speeding up of all things,
to slow your time down, you need to traval at incredible speeds, that causes time to slow down for you whle it continues along as normal for everything else.
so, for example, you you blast off in a rocket for a planet 200 years away at the speeds we can traval at the minute, only you traval at a speed which makes the trip only 10 years for you.
by the time you get there, you've aged 10 years, but everyone you know on earth is already dead.

another example, a mag lev train track wrapped around the world in a straight line loop,
you get inside with another person and it travalls faster and faster and faster, the faster it goes, the more time inside the train slows ompared to time outside,
meaning that you could potentially traval fast enough that time inside the train passes 2 hours, yet a year has passed outside the train.

cant find the video of the train example, but heres another

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ex6yzNJ5y64

heres a creepy video of a charlie chaplin video of a guy on a mobile phone though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiIrpEMbQ2M

the reason science believes black holes/worm holes to be linked with time traval is because the gravity is so great nothing appears to escape, not even light, which is supposed to be impossible.

MungBean · 25-09-2011 02:08AM

cowzerp wrote: »

1st off if there is or ever will be such thing im pretty sure people would be with us now from the future

2nd
to believe if i could go back a day thats basically saying that there i would be repeating the whole day or that going back in time has rewound time

It just makes zero sense or at least could someone explain it in a way that it might make sense!!

Probably already been pointed out but I'm not arsed reading the thread.

If you went back a day there would be two of ya. Doesnt rewind time only shifts you personally in space/time.

The only way it would be possible is with wormholes. And the only point in time you could travel to would be the time you created the initial wormhole. So the reason there isnt time travelers here is because we havent got a wormhole for people to come through. Whenever we create one will be the furthest anyone can come back.

MungBean · 25-09-2011 02:14AM

Alan b. wrote: »

Time is what happens even while nothing else is happening.
as said, it's only a name we attach to something to help us understand it.

travalling forward would be possible, but it's not really travveling forward, its more slowing yourself down, and time just keeps on going, as does everything around you.

the reason science believes black holes/worm holes to be linked with time traval is because the gravity is so great nothing appears to escape, not even light, which is supposed to be impossible.

Its not just a name though. Time and space are interwoven and time is a dimension of space. The reason time slows at incredible speeds is because your mass increases relative to your speed. And mass affects time, the more mass the slower time moves.

The reason black hole/wormholes are linked with it isnt because of gravity. Its because the are effectively tears in space time that may allow travel from one point directly to another point anywhere in space via a tunnel.

4leto · 25-09-2011 02:17AM

Time shares make no sense.

What would you tell your past self if it was possible, don't fukcing smoke would be my number 1, Facebook would be another.

Alan b. · 25-09-2011 02:22AM

i'd tel myself the lotto numbers

MungBean · 25-09-2011 02:24AM

4leto wrote: »

Time shares make no sense.

What would you tell your past self if it was possible, don't fukcing smoke would be my number 1, Facebook would be another.

Microsoft, Apple, Google and Facebook = money.

25-09-2011 02:27AM

4leto wrote: »

Time shares make no sense.

What would you tell your past self if it was possible, don't fukcing smoke would be my number 1, Facebook would be another.

Invent Facebook or avoid it?

Alan b. · 25-09-2011 02:41AM

Skunkle wrote: »

Alan b. wrote: »

Time is what happens even while nothing else is happening.
as said, it's only a name we attach to something to help us understand it.

travalling forward would be possible, but it's not really travveling forward, its more slowing yourself down, and time just keeps on going, as does everything around you.

the reason science believes black holes/worm holes to be linked with time traval is because the gravity is so great nothing appears to escape, not even light, which is supposed to be impossible.

Its not just a name though. Time and space are interwoven and time is a dimension of space. The reason time slows at incredible speeds is because your mass increases relative to your speed. And mass affects time, the more mass the slower time moves.

The reason black hole/wormholes are linked with it isnt because of gravity. Its because the are effectively tears in space time that may allow travel from one point directly to another point anywhere in space via a tunnel.

I didn't mean it doesn't exhist, I just meant as in, its not something that we have control over. We can't stop it. Even if we slow it down for ourselves, it still happens for everything else. It just appears to slow down relative to the space around us.

The whole tunnel aspect of it is pure guesswork mixed with science fiction stories.

There is nothing to prove they are tunnels at all.
They are a mass so dense that nothing can escape their pull. The leap to a tunnel is all guesswork.
They could be a body, on which time stands still relative to time around it. But be no differant then any thee body in space beyond that.

Keith186 · 25-09-2011 02:46AM

You can't say that time travel doesn't make sense because it might not be invented yet.

If you think about it - now is the actual now, the original timeline, and time travel isn't invented until sometime in the future, say 2020, then it hasn't been invented yet so no one has traveled back yet so we can't confirm or deny it in theory.

My thoughts on the current theory that if you travel faster than light you can catch up with it and go back in time i.e. you seen something that already happened. Imagine a cup smashed in front of you and then you take off on a light speed train to catch up with the light I think the light would travel in a dispersed motion so it wouldn't look the same the further you go back so it wouldn't be too accurate or become.completely blurred. I don't think you could pick up the cup from the example above to prevent it being smashed as it wouldn't physically be there so this would, in theory, prove.that you can't change the past only the future.

Alan b. · 25-09-2011 02:50AM

Keith186 wrote: »

You can't say that time travel doesn't make sense because it might not be invented yet.

If you think about it - now is the actual now, the original timeline, and time travel isn't invented until sometime in the future, say 2020, then it hasn't been invented yet so no one has traveled back yet so we can't confirm or deny it in theory.

My thoughts on the current theory that if you travel faster than light you can catch up with it and go back in time i.e. you seen something that already happened. Imagine a cup smashed in front of you and then you take off on a light speed train to catch up with the light I think the light would travel in a dispersed motion so it wouldn't look the same the further you go back so it wouldn't be too accurate or become.completely blurred. I don't think you could pick up the cup from the example above to prevent it being smashed as it wouldn't physically be there so this would, in theory, prove.that you can't change the past only the future.

However, you can't traval faster then light in the laws of physics as we now understand them.
Light remains at a constant speed regardless of the differance in speed between two observers as explained in the two videos I posted.

I do understand your train of thought though, by dropping the cup, watching it smash, then traveling faster then the speed of light, you could.watch the cup smash again but not stop it from being smashed.

opinion guy · 25-09-2011 09:46AM

Karsini wrote: »

Invent Facebook or avoid it?

Both

af_thefragile · 25-09-2011 10:02AM

What i learnt from the movie "time machine" is that you can travel into the future and change the future but you can't change the past...

py2006 · 25-09-2011 10:52AM

Not sure if this was mentioned already but I remember seeing the Time Traveler Caught in Museum Photo article a couple years ago.

Doom · 25-09-2011 11:09AM

I think at some time in the future we will be able the view the past but not interact with that period of time....we can view it because the light is still there, like an echo. We cannot view the future because it has not been created yet...
.my thoughts:)

Green Mile · 25-09-2011 11:11AM

Alan b. wrote: »

However, you can't traval faster then light in the laws of physics as we now understand them.

You obviously haven't heard the latest discovery? I think this is why the OP started this topic. They have found neutrinos can travel faster than light. It breaks the rules of physics and has everyone baffled.

Here a link:
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/219419/20110925/particles-moving-faster-than-light-albert-einstein-subatomic-particle-opera-physics-faster-than-ligh.htm

There's loads of links on google. This was discovered about 3 days ago.

If neutrinos can travel back in time, we can code them with messages to send messages back to the past.
So, it could be possible that neutrinos currently have codes sent from the future to us.
It gets complicated but it is fascinating.

MungBean · 25-09-2011 11:15AM

Green Mile wrote: »

You obviously haven't heard the latest discovery? I think this is why the OP started this topic. They have found neutrinos can travel faster than light. It breaks the rules of physics and has everyone baffled.

Here a link:
http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/219419/20110925/particles-moving-faster-than-light-albert-einstein-subatomic-particle-opera-physics-faster-than-ligh.htm

There's loads of links on google. This was discovered about 3 days ago.

If neutrinos can travel back in time, we can code them with messages to send messages back to the past.
So, it could be possible that neutrinos currently have codes sent from the future to us.
It gets complicated but it is fascinating.

Its more than likely an error of some sort. But even so the fact that they would be able travel faster than light doesnt mean we could send them backwards in time.

the purple tin · 25-09-2011 11:45AM

Green Mile wrote: »

It is in fact possible to time travel. There is a theory that does co-incide with physics.
You can only travel forward in time, and it is about traveling at a high speed very very fast.

Basically, if people could travel fast enough, a guy would go into a Pod or Shuttle and after, say 10 years would open his shuttle to find himself 11 years in the future.
He would be more preserved and time on earth would have moved onward while in the process.

It seems pointless to take so long to time travel but it can happen. There is proof that a clock has time traveled. It was synced with other clocks and when it was tested. There was a difference of 0.000000000000001 of a second. It took a year to do this experiment but it showed it could be done.

This would be the same result if scientists ever learn how to bring people back to life who have been cryogenically frozen.
But surely the speed would be too much for us.
Wouldn't the human body only be able to take so much G-force before it kills us.

naldface · 25-09-2011 11:51AM

the purple tin wrote: »

This would be the same result if scientists ever learn how to bring people back to life who have been cryogenically frozen.
But surely the speed would be too much for us.
Wouldn't the human body only be able to take so much G-force before it kills us.

What are you talking about?

the purple tin · 25-09-2011 01:11PM

naldface wrote: »

What are you talking about?

I'm saying that neutrinos can travel at this super speed but the human body cant. How would it survive that sort of pressure and G-force

That is what I can't understand about human time travel.

Mike 1972 · 25-09-2011 01:18PM

Helix wrote: »

itime travel, if possible, needs to be such that no changes have been made to the past. that means if you figure out a way to time travel tomorrow, and come back to today

Therein lies the problem.

Helix · 25-09-2011 01:41PM

Mike 1972 wrote: »

Therein lies the problem.

youve taken that completely out of context though

my point is that if joe bloggs discovers a way to travel in time that isn't reliant on the wormhole idea, and he wants to travel back to point x in time, before the time machine was even invented, he would already have appeared in point x in time. he can't actually change the past, his travelling back to it is actually part of the past

you cant go back and talk to yourself, for example, unless you can specifically remember meeting your future self in your past

arybvtcw0eolkf · 25-09-2011 01:44PM

cowzerp wrote: »

Time travel makes no sense

Dunno man - Last time we sparred you said I knocked you back into the last week

/This may or may not have happened.

Time travel makes no sense

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