Templars Hall ..Getting out of Hand..

ROCKMAN · 22-09-2011 12:17pm #1

Just listen to WLR this morning and a local councillor going on about the late night parties and street drink etc by "students " in and around Templars Hall Seems like things are getting out of hand there at the moment ,
Feel sorry for the residents ,
The knock on effect of €2 night ....

Sully · 22-09-2011 12:23pm

I'd assume its students drinking before going out, and not from coming home.

MitchKoobski · 22-09-2011 12:23pm

Nothing to do with the €2 drinks. Last time I remember The Foundry or Harvey's weren't anywhere near Templar's Hall.

Same Templars Hall as always.

Up2NoGood · 22-09-2011 12:52pm

ROCKMAN wrote: »

Just listen to WLR this morning and a local councillor going on about the late night parties and street drink etc by "students " in and around Templars Hall Seems like things are getting out of hand there at the moment ,
Feel sorry for the residents ,
The knock on effect of €2 night ....

Nice One!! Always looking for a good session!

ROCKMAN · 22-09-2011 12:53pm

Sully wrote: »

I'd assume its students drinking before going out, and not from coming home.

No Actually The councillor was stating it was going on till 3/4 in the morning,,He said he was invited up to see it first hand by the residents and only when up at 12 so it seems to be after the pub/club thing.

MitchKoobski wrote: »

Nothing to do with the €2 drinks. Last time I remember The Foundry or Harvey's weren't anywhere near Templar's Hall.

Same Templars Hall as always.

He also stated he witness 40 + taxi's going and coming in a short period of Time
Taxi's help shorten the distance from Harvey's & co
Plus € 2 drinks help have extra cash for fares.

MitchKoobski · 22-09-2011 1:03pm

ROCKMAN wrote: »

He also stated he witness 40 + taxi's going and coming in a short period of Time. Taxi's help shorten the distance from Harvey's & co.

Its a student night and the buses had stopped, they weren't walking in anyway. You'd see the same on a saturday night. I doubt he counted 40 taxis in fairness.

Plus € 2 drinks help have extra cash for fares.

So do drink deals in Tesco, and Centra, and off licences. Must have been getting out of hand due to drink deals last year then.

Templars has always been like that for at least the last 3 years.

jayboi · 22-09-2011 1:04pm

I say we seal it up! build a wall all around an keep the students in! it for the Americans in that film Escape from New York

Max Powers · 22-09-2011 1:13pm

maybe the gards could get off their arses and cut that stuff out, noise pollution, urinating in public, lock up those making noise for a night in cells and a court date, it would stop quickly then

eeloe · 22-09-2011 1:22pm

For too long people have been giving out about drink prices in this country, and now that the pubs have finally seen sence, and lowered their prices, we're complaining?

Templars Hall has always been known as a Student accomodation....if i was buying a house, that's the last place i'd look to be honest.

MitchKoobski · 22-09-2011 1:25pm

Every year they try and find something to blame student behaviour in Templars on.

One year it was not enough security, then the gardaí weren't doing anything, then WIT weren't doing anything, now its €2 drinks in the middle of town.

Anyone who gets caught by the gardaí should be treated the same as anyone else would in town, and AFAIK thats what a lot have been saying already. Anyone who says "Sure its just students" is just making it worse.

abouttobebanned · 22-09-2011 1:30pm

Lot of good points raised in this thread. A nod in particular to mitch and eeloe.

The students, especially the 1st years are very immature and in many cases out to impress their mates. They've flown the nest and feel that they're almost expected to go a bit mad.

eeloe · 22-09-2011 1:49pm

Let's face it, we were all that age once, and imagine the carnage that would of happened if we were all given drinks(Jd and coke) for 2euro...

Student accomodation is set out for just that, accomodation for students, we all know they are going to cause havoc(have a bit of craic) from time to time, let them be, they are spending their money in the local economy, 2 euro a shot in harveys, 3-4 euro for a burger and chip in the chippers, and 4-5euro in a taxi...they are keeping people employed....

Waterford City hasn't seen nights as busy as the student nights in years...it's great!

abouttobebanned · 22-09-2011 2:05pm

This year really is no different. They were gettign drinks for a euro and less last year in supermarkets. I wouldn't look too much into clubs being busy...the only people who benefit from that are the DJs. The staff are over worked and under paid. The owners are not making any money.

old gregg · 22-09-2011 2:09pm

I'd go along with eeloe if Templars is exclusively for student accommodation. Let the good times roll baby. If there's folks who bought houses there to live in peace then I'd not agree.

Heathen · 22-09-2011 2:17pm

I hate students with a passion.. I hit one with my car last night for being a muppet standing in-front of my car giving me the eyeball as i was trying to drive around them all falling out onto the road, it gave me a warm fuzzy feeling inside.. and i don't regret it one bit!

ArtVandelay76 · 22-09-2011 2:32pm

Templars hall is not exclusively a student village, there is familys living there too so the gards should be doing something about it, in fairness this has been going on for years.

ROCKMAN · 22-09-2011 2:35pm

MitchKoobski wrote: »

Every year they try and find something to blame student behaviour in Templars on.

One year it was not enough security, then the gardaí weren't doing anything, then WIT weren't doing anything, now its €2 drinks in the middle of town.

Anyone who gets caught by the gardaí should be treated the same as anyone else would in town, and AFAIK thats what a lot have been saying already. Anyone who says "Sure its just students" is just making it worse.

Here's a novel idea lets blame the common factor ....THE STUDENTS.....
YES there will always be cheap beer but surely having student targeted € 2 euro nights is feeding the fire and incouraging binge drinking and all the extra hassle that comes with it

totally argee that everyone should be treated the same and saiding sure its just students is just sweeping it under the carpet ..

Musicman2000 · 22-09-2011 2:36pm

Heathen wrote: »

I hate students with a passion.. I hit one with my car last night for being a muppet standing in-front of my car giving me the eyeball as i was trying to drive around them all falling out onto the road, it gave me a warm fuzzy feeling inside.. and i don't regret it one bit!

Have to agree with you on that one, Where are the guards? to busy chatting up women, Ok you cant keep everyone off the road but idiots like this, and if you touch of them you are in wrong:mad:

jimbojazz · 22-09-2011 2:51pm

Right, here's my take on the whole situation out in Templar's Hall.

Every year around this time on Billy Mc's show we have the same thing with regard to the students causing havoc with their all night partying and general nuisance in these areas.

Now as far as I'm aware this problem has being going on for years.

So why is that every single year we have people ringing up complaining about the disruption.

The residents know where the problem houses are, they know who the landlords are and the students union and the college know who the students are.

Basically what I'm saying is that why havent the relevant powers i.e. the college, the union, the gardai, the local councillors and the residents put a stop to it.

The estates involved are not huge estates i.e. Templars, Woodlawn Grove and certain parts of Lismore Park

They know that in general the student night outs are on either Wednesday or Thursday night, they know that they will occur before they head out and when they come home around 2-3pm.

A dog wont refuse a bone and by that I mean that if your asked to go to a party when your that age you're not going to refuse, you're not going to pass up the opportunity of a cheap night

In the main the only people out in town on these nights in numbers are students. These nights are generally quiet elsewhere so there's no reason why the Gardai cant have an increased presence there instead of leaving it up to 4 security guards who have no powers.

The landlord of these houses should also be brought to book over this i.e. heavy fines, and bans on being able to let out their houses

The college should also take action against those involved and should have a burden of responsibility in this regard.

But as I said at the start it's not as if these nights are unexpected.

MitchKoobski · 22-09-2011 3:00pm

Majority of people would rather just moan and complain to Billy McCarthy or someone else than getting up doing telling someone who actually can make a difference.

Ring the gardaí, not WLR.

As one class rep in WIT suggested a while back, if a student is arrested and the residents/gardaí contact WIT, and they aren't being charged, ring the mammy at home and let her know what her son/daughter was up to. That'll shut em up pretty fast.

chelloveks · 22-09-2011 3:43pm

Upgrade to a university and the new brilliant scholars will stop the underclassmen and women from this behavior....lmfao

dayshah · 22-09-2011 5:43pm

ROCKMAN wrote: »

The knock on effect of €2 night ....

Surely the €2 drinks keeps all the action in the centre of town rather than in houses. You might go back to a house after the disco, but no-one organises a full-blown house party at 3 in the morning.

ToxicPaddy · 22-09-2011 6:12pm

I have seen the results some of the parties in the houses in Templars hall and the results could only be classed as pure carnage.

3 houses were absolutely wrecked 2 years ago in the period of 3-4 months by various groups of students who were having parties their respective houses.

Partition walls were kicked in, sinks pulled off walls, carpets ripped up, windows broken, kitchen press doors ripped off their hinges.

Legal action was taken by some of the landlords but the person who was tasked with repairing the damage basically said, some of the landlords didn't give a damn about who lived there or what they did. Once the rent was paid and damage was paid for at the end of the day, that's all that mattered.

Very few of them live in the town, they don't know or care who their neighbours are and they certainly couldn't care less what their tenants get up to.

So unfortunately unless the locals who are suffering start doing something about it by contacting the garda or looking at their legal options, I can't see it changing anytime soon.

Cabaal · 22-09-2011 6:13pm

eeloe wrote: »

we all know they are going to cause havoc(have a bit of craic) from time to time, let them be,

Damage to personal property and keeping people up till 4-5am is not having "abit of craic" as you put it, its extremely disruptive to people trying to lead their lives and just go to work and make a living. Many of these people also have children.

Residents of ANY area are entitled to peace and quiet after 11pm at night as per the law,

puppetmaster · 22-09-2011 6:56pm

Cabaal wrote: »

Damage to personal property and keeping people up till 4-5am is not having "abit of craic" as you put it, its extremely disruptive to people trying to lead their lives and just go to work and make a living. Many of these people also have children.

Residents of ANY area are entitled to peace and quiet after 11pm at night as per the law,

Very True, But isnt it up to the Gardai to enforce it, wouldnt a couple of arrests or reports to WIT do something. Blaming €2 drink prices is a joke. Offies have been selling bottles of miller for 70c for years. it was near €5 a pint when i was in college. Didnt stop the same happenings in estates. Not limited to IT's Either, those fine Trinners and Ucc folk know well how to wreck a place.

If there is no consequence to one's behaviour where is the incentive to change it? There'd Be alot more concern if students had to tick that "do you have a criminal conviction" box when applying for a job after college.

If their breaking the law, they should be prosicuted in turn.Thats the Gaurds job. Not blame it on a business(s) which have gone against the grain and actually not robbed people for drink like the rest of the "responsable" publicans around.

Cabaal · 22-09-2011 7:07pm

puppetmaster wrote: »

Very True, But isnt it up to the Gardai to enforce it,

Noise pollution comes under the remit of the EPA, social disorder/damage etc would be under the remit of the Gardai alright.

You can get the EPA to get involved but it takes alot of time and the students won't give a monkeys
Frankly the laws need to be changed in relation to anti-social behavior like that carried out by some students when it comes to partying as effectively residents affected but such issues are pretty much powerless.

wouldnt a couple of arrests

I'd hope they would, but thats up to the Gardai and they are unlikely to get involved in noise pollution issues

or reports to WIT do something.

Unless WIT are providing the accommodation I fail to see why they should get involved.....if you had a dispute with your neighbor would you report your neighbors actions to their employer for example?

If the students are over 18 they need to act like adults.

Blaming €2 drink prices is a joke. Offies have been selling bottles of miller for 70c for years. it was near €5 a pint when i was in college. Didnt stop the same happenings in estates. Not limited to IT's Either, those fine Trinners and Ucc folk know well how to wreck a place.

Agreed in part, cheap drink is a factor when it comes to students and nights out, however as already pointed out above many of us were once students so we know what the driving forces are and cheap drink is one of them thats for sure.

If there is no consequence to one's behaviour where is the incentive to change it? There'd Be alot more concern if students had to tick that "do you have a criminal conviction" box when applying for a job after college.

I'd imagine that might put some students off, but like dropping out of school/college etc many students both in 2nd and 3rd level don't think of the long term implications of their actions and how they will affect employment in later life.....many are just far too immature. So I'm not too sure of the risk of a criminal record will put too many people off.

Finnbar01 · 22-09-2011 7:36pm

Increase student fees!

seanybiker · 22-09-2011 7:37pm

Vigilante group ftw

Psychedelic · 22-09-2011 7:50pm

Finnbar01 wrote: »

Increase student fees!

No doubt they will all be out protesting before the budget about how they can barely afford to go to college yet they can someone find the money to get pissed Tues/Wed/Thursday nights.

MitchKoobski · 22-09-2011 7:52pm

Psychedelic wrote: »

No doubt they will all be out protesting before the budget about how they can barely afford to go to college yet they can someone find the money to get pissed Tues/Wed/Thursday nights.

Of course they can, it's €2 drinks! :pac:

Nypd · 23-09-2011 8:08am

Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't Garda have to respond to noise complaints,
There is several things they can act on,
Noise pollution, anti social behaviour, public order.

Seems it's the same old same with the Garda, they don't arrest so no paper work.

The WIT should be held more accountable, they do increase staff numbers out there for RAG week etc so why not now,on saying that it's mainly volunteers from the SU with little or no security experience

Cabaal · 23-09-2011 8:14am

Nypd wrote: »

The WIT should be held more accountable,

But why?
If the students are over 18 years of age then they are adults as such you can't act like they are 8 or 9.

The WIT have nothing to do with how the students behave the same as an employer has nothing to do with what you do with your personal time outside of work.

ROCKMAN · 23-09-2011 8:21am

puppetmaster wrote: »

Very True, But isnt it up to the Gardai to enforce it, wouldnt a couple of arrests or reports to WIT do something. Blaming €2 drink prices is a joke. .

eeloe wrote: »

Let's face it, we were all that age once, and imagine the carnage that would of happened if we were all given drinks(Jd and coke) for 2euro...

Student accomodation is set out for just that, accomodation for students, we all know they are going to cause havoc(have a bit of craic) from time to time, let them be, they are spending their money in the local economy, 2 euro a shot in harveys, 3-4 euro for a burger and chip in the chippers, and 4-5euro in a taxi...they are keeping people employed....

Waterford City hasn't seen nights as busy as the student nights in years...it's great!

I was not completely blaming € 2 drinks . I was saying it was a knock on effect (slight differance ) Which the above kind of supports , The town hasn't been as busy in years which has lead to ahell of alot more students pissed and looking to continue the session after the pubs /clubs close ,which has lead to more house parties which in turn has increased drinking on the streets and anti social behaviour in certain parts of the city.

Nypd · 23-09-2011 9:15am

Cabaal wrote: »

Nypd wrote: »

The WIT should be held more accountable,

But why?
If the students are over 18 years of age then they are adults as such you can't act like they are 8 or 9.

The WIT have nothing to do with how the students behave the same as an employer has nothing to do with what you do with your personal time outside of work.

My point is the SU put considerable resources into big events on the student calendar, maybe they should be looking into what's going on atm.

MitchKoobski · 23-09-2011 10:17am

Nypd wrote: »

My point is the SU put considerable resources into big events on the student calendar, maybe they should be looking into what's going on atm.

They already are, and they always have been. The WIT have their own guys doing security over there trying to keep them indoors and get them into taxis and out of there ASAP.

But student's behaviour is not WIT's responsibility. Theres nothing more they can do.

Talking about it atm on WLR again.

MitchKoobski · 23-09-2011 10:19am

Templar's Hall Residents Committee saying its not just students, there are employed people as well ehading out. Saying WIT are doing everything they can. In fairness once these students are off-campus, they don't have to do anything, but they have their own security guys out there trying to crack down.

ROCKMAN · 23-09-2011 10:37am

MitchKoobski wrote: »

Templar's Hall Residents Committee saying its not just students, there are employed people as well ehading out. Saying WIT are doing everything they can. In fairness once these students are off-campus, they don't have to do anything, but they have their own security guys out there trying to crack down.

Totally except that it not all students , God knows we have enough home grown luntics , but its more than likely that in most cases its student houses that are hosting the parties and attracting people onto the estate.

MitchKoobski wrote: »

They already are, and they always have been. The WIT have their own guys doing security over there trying to keep them indoors and get them into taxis and out of there ASAP.

But student's behaviour is not WIT's responsibility. Theres nothing more they can do.
Talking about it atm on WLR again.

Not having a go... but could WIT bring in a code of conduct contract type thing which must be signed by all students before starting their courses.

Lets face it in the real world if you embarrassed and soiled the name of your employer as much as these students do to WIT week in week out , you wouldn't be in a job too long...

calerbass · 23-09-2011 10:59am

I have great sympathy for the residents in Templars Hall, having first hand experience of it.My sister has a house there and bought it when the houses first went on sale there and their was no warning then that landlords were snapping up houses there and laying the seeds for what is going on there now.

We were absolutely terrorised by students next door, with all the usual stuff but for example, they regularly played hurling in the sitting room, it was terrible.

But for anyone wanting to know how to deal with it as we did...........you need to first identify the landlord and make your complaint etc, show the evidence if you have it, then if nothing is done, you then go to the court house and ask for a form under the noise pollution act and fill it out, you will then get a date for hearing in the district court where the landlord will have to attend, and thats where we wiped the smile off the landlord's face, up to that point he failed to sort it out but he learned his lesson.The judge ordered him to sort the problem and if he appeared back in court he would have been held in comtempt of a court order.You will get no where with the gardai, "we cant do anything etc", if its a letting agency that manages the house it will be them you bring to court, its a very simple procedure and is the only quick solution available. If anyone wants any further info, pm me. I was in court that day and it was absolutely beautiful seeing that landlord put in their place.:D

Cabaal · 23-09-2011 11:09am

ROCKMAN wrote: »

Not having a go... but could WIT bring in a code of conduct contract type thing which must be signed by all students before starting their courses.

It wouldn't be worth the paper its written on,

Again could your employer make you sign a code of conduct which would control what you do in your personal time regarding when and how loud the music you listen to is, drinking at weekends, where you park your car, where you drive your car etc?

All of the above you receive no convictions for doing.

Do you honestly think any employer could enforce such a thing when you haven't actually been convicted for doing anything wrong and do you think it would stand up in court if challenged.....

The answer I'm betting is no you don';t think it would work or stand-up in court so why would the WIT waste resources on something so flimsy?

People might want WIT to act like parents but they are not

MitchKoobski · 23-09-2011 11:39am

ROCKMAN wrote: »

Not having a go... but could WIT bring in a code of conduct contract type thing which must be signed by all students before starting their courses.

And it wouldn't be worth a scrap.

Primary and Secondary schools have no responsibility for what students do outside of school hours. When they get to college, nearly all of them are 18 years of age and fully accountable to the law.

Its not up to the college to police or monitor students outside of campus and outside of college hours. If this was happening on official WIT Accomodation on campus something could be done, but it isnt.

Not a single student would be embarassed about going against a "code of conduct".

ec18 · 23-09-2011 12:09pm

apparently there's local news paper photographers down there atm re arranging beer bottles and taking photos of them.

Finnbar01 · 23-09-2011 12:13pm

MitchKoobski wrote: »

And it wouldn't be worth a scrap.

Primary and Secondary schools have no responsibility for what students do outside of school hours. When they get to college, nearly all of them are 18 years of age and fully accountable to the law.

Its not up to the college to police or monitor students outside of campus and outside of college hours. If this was happening on official WIT Accomodation on campus something could be done, but it isnt.

Not a single student would be embarassed about going against a "code of conduct".

If anything they would brag about how they broke the ''code of conduct.''

Such rebels and all that.

Professey Chin · 23-09-2011 12:14pm

Finnbar01 wrote: »

If anything they would brag about how they broke the ''code of conduct.''

Such rebels and all that.

Not really. Itd just be pointless & forgotten about within days.
Bit like that confirmation pledge about not drinking until youre 18 :pac:

Finnbar01 · 23-09-2011 12:21pm

Mega Chin wrote: »

Not really. Itd just be pointless & forgotten about within days.
Bit like that confirmation pledge about not drinking until youre 18 :pac:

Well going on students' concentration spans today.. probably more than likely a few hours. :pac:

merlante · 23-09-2011 12:43pm

So the fact that we have a culture of young people getting pissed, getting up to mischief and going mad is WIT's fault? All WIT does is bring them all together in one place, but they'd be going nuts and getting pissed somewhere with someone anyway, because that's what we do here in Ireland. We get pissed and star in our own personal versions of 2 and a half men until we are eventually forced to get a serious job where our colleagues and superiors take a dim view of such behaviour, then we grow up.

Blaming Irish culture on WIT is laughable. Each and every one of you got drunk and got up to no good, enjoyed it, and still tell stories about it, and now you're all shocked that the next generation is doing it.

daftdave · 23-09-2011 1:48pm

merlante wrote: »

So the fact that we have a culture of young people getting pissed, getting up to mischief and going mad is WIT's fault? All WIT does is bring them all together in one place, but they'd be going nuts and getting pissed somewhere with someone anyway, because that's what we do here in Ireland. We get pissed and star in our own personal versions of 2 and a half men until we are eventually forced to get a serious job where our colleagues and superiors take a dim view of such behaviour, then we grow up.

Blaming Irish culture on WIT is laughable. Each and every one of you got drunk and got up to no good, enjoyed it, and still tell stories about it, and now you're all shocked that the next generation is doing it.

FACT

seanybiker · 23-09-2011 2:08pm

merlante wrote: »

Blaming Irish culture on WIT is laughable. Each and every one of you got drunk and got up to no good, enjoyed it, and still tell stories about it, and now you're all shocked that the next generation is doing it.

Fook that. I still do stupid things. Nothing crazy like. Lately its passing out but I try haha

ziedth · 23-09-2011 3:58pm

The Templars hall argument started back when I was in college. I think the problem is that some poor family's bought houses early without realising that an estate so close to the college is going to become mainly student housing. It's not their fault it's just how it happened.

As an interesting fact (up until I last checked a couple of years ago) if you are having a house party that rivals a superclub in Ibiza and you are blaring music at 4am, guess what? The guards can't do squat about it! It comes under Tort law and if you had a student with enough stones to tell a guard who came to his door just that thar guard would have to be on his merry way. Now, things may have changed since.

Fact is, there is nothing Billy Mac and his cronies can do. I'm afraid if you put that many student houses together then this will just happen. If I had a house in Templars hall I would of course be raging over it but I can't see it changing.

Adyx · 23-09-2011 4:14pm

There's no doubt that must of us probably went a bit mad when we were younger and were drinking like fish, nothing has changed there, but attitudes have changed. When I moved to Waterford back in 1999, drinks like vodka were £1 and bottles of Reef were £2 so there was still plenty of cheap drink around and we did more than our fair share of drinking. However, there was nowhere near as much trouble and people weren't going around wrecking other peoples private property. We also tried to keep disruption to a minimum. It's only in the last few years that any semblance of decency and responsibility has gone out the window.

Of course there are exceptions: there was plenty of bad students back then and plenty of good students now.

gscully · 23-09-2011 4:53pm

ziedth wrote: »

The Templars hall argument started back when I was in college. I think the problem is that some poor family's bought houses early without realising that an estate so close to the college is going to become mainly student housing. It's not their fault it's just how it happened.

You bring up an interesting point. Now, let me first say that I am totally sympathetic to the plight of genuine residents there who want a bit of peace and quiet, but here's the thing... Those houses were bought by people who not only knew that a college existed just up the road, but in closer proximity was a halting site, a former landfill, and dare I say one of the most notorious housing estates (no disrespect to the good people of Ballybeg). Did they buy those houses thinking there'd be no disharmony at all?

Cabaal · 23-09-2011 5:05pm

gscully wrote: »

You bring up an interesting point. Now, let me first say that I am totally sympathetic to the plight of genuine residents there who want a bit of peace and quiet, but here's the thing... Those houses were bought by people who not only knew that a college existed just up the road, but in closer proximity was a halting site, a former landfill, and dare I say one of the most notorious housing estates (no disrespect to the good people of Ballybeg). Did they buy those houses thinking there'd be no disharmony at all?

Regardless of the area and what people might label the area are the people are none the less entitled to a decent night sleep, thats not a very unreasonable request in fairness.

Templars Hall ..Getting out of Hand..

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