The WIP Fantasy Charter Discussion Thread

As regards the general rules for the running of the boards.ie leagues it would be good to get these set to avoid any issues/complaints in the off season. While we have the league settings decided and in operation (for the most part) there has to be general rules put in place.

I'm all for setting a deadline for exisiting members to confirm their interest in participating the following season. I would say end of june, at least then it gives time to reconfigure the leagues accordingly. Any interest after this date would be added to the bottom of the lists.

We would also need to set in place penalties for inactivity and also what defines inactivity. We will see every year teams with players playing on their bye weeks and that is frustrating.

In light of some problems this season I would like to see League GMs have to be re-elected by the other players rather than just continue ad infinitum. (Maybe this happens anyway, and apologies if it does).

I have full respect for anyone who volunteers to GM a league, it's a thankless task, but some people are cut out for it, others aren't.

Apart from that I'd just echo what others have been saying. Have a strict cut-off date for entry, decide the divisions at that time and anyone who misses the deadline is 'relegated' to the lowest division.

I'd also like to see all drafts held around the same time. I know we have to allow some flexibility, but I thought the Division 5 draft was too early as there was a lot of uncertainty about certain players that would have been removed if the draft was a week later (Manning being a case in point).

Yeah, the draft date doesn't matter as long as the members of the league are OK with it. Everyone is playing with the same data. I missed mine and the autodraft selected David Garrard. He'd have been picked up by someone. Hours later he's cut. Nothing we can do about injuries, players being cut etc

Benimar wrote: »

I'm sorry, but once Manning stopped practicing on the monday it put serious doubt about his availability, far more than had been there prior to then. Anyway, its only an example of how things can change rapidly, so why the rush to draft? There was no need for it

By that rationale, there's no need to draft so soon to the kick off date either. Everyone has the same date so its up to you to make the decision on whether you'd like to gamble on an injured player or not. You're not competing with other leagues.

Dodge wrote: »

By that rationale, there's no need to draft so soon to the kick off date either. Everyone has the same date so its up to you to make the decision on whether you'd like to gamble on an injured player or not. You're not competing with other leagues.

I agree there is no need, but I thought we were looking for suggestions here? My suggestion is that all Divisions should draft around the same time, and in the week after the final pre-season game. Toms comments above are in line with what I'm suggesting.

Johnny_Fontane wrote: »

it was just not that simple mate....I wanted to do it midweek but a couple of people came back and they couldnt make it....sunday night was best. I couldnt make sunday 4th, so that was out. Being GM does have its perks amongst all the abuse you take from a bunch of goons.....

I suppose I should go easy on you, after all it was one of your mistakes that cost Molly Cadillac Williams and put him on my team

Spongey1975 wrote: »

abuse is a bit much, you have taken criticism for mistakes you made (deservedly so). I would hope we can all move past this and enjoy the season.

Just cos you're a GM doesnt mean you can discount a certain evening to draft because you cant make it. Whatever the most convenient evening for the majority of the league is the evening you choose and if you cant make that evening then so be it

have you seen my pms?

poldebruin wrote: »

Fantastic that FF will be getting it's own sub-forum, well done to all who campaigned for it.

A couple of points (which we experienced first hand in Division 2 last year) I would like considered for the rules charter going forward would be:

* The option of the league voting on trades. For the most part I see trades come and go and there is no problem, but there have been some real head-scratchers. It would also mean we could stop any abuse of the system.

* Consensus on what to do when a team is abandoned mid-season. Does the GM take over and put what he considers the strongest team out for the remainder? Swapping out bye week and injured players but staying away from the waiver wire and transfers?

* Lastly (and I know this seems a bit miserable and paranoid - but again, we did experience it) what happens when a player dumps his team of starters back into the waiver pool - last year the GM/league of Div2 voted that nobody would try to acquire the players, they were put back into the team and the manager in question was locked out of his team for the remainder of the season.

All a bit specific,I know, but if we're going to lay out the rules and sticky them, why not try to cover all bases?

This is where the GM comes into play, first off i think trades are voted on before they are approved, there is options to change settings as to how trades are approved but i think members can vote them down if necessary

The second two points are very valid and very important. If a team is abandoned then i would like to think that the GM would take it over and primarily ensure that a proper team is put out. I fully believe that all GMs (who should be selected by the relevant members of each division) would put the strongest team forward no matter who they were against. As for the placing of players on waiver wire, i know what happened last year and whilst it was frustrating, i believe it is extreme in that i cant see it happening at all amongst genuine players. However in this scenario i woul like to see the team pass over to the GM to operate for the rest of the season.

This all leaves the selection of the GM for each division as a very important undertaking and clear rules to be in place for next season. GMs should have the best interest of the league in their minds as opposed to their own teams (speaking as a GM of Div 1 )

Just a simple point - if the GM was to take over a team well who's the strongest team to send out???

I'm assuming just go by the NFL projections and stick with that so the GM isn't able to really have much of an input but just makes sure some lad on IR or on a Bye week isn't starting....

means the GM doesn't have to invest any time bar putting the players on the field for the game... also prevents any claims that made me made about a game as to why X player started ahead of Y player in such a game but it was the other way around in some other game... straight forward call for the GM and can be a standard call for all divisions...

also - if a team has a say a QB playing Monday but has a backup playing Sunday if the Monday QB is questionable or worse the backup should be made start to prevent the possibility of a non starter which could easily swing a game especially if it's a major position like RB or QB...

just 2 rules there just to make try to make sure there's a standard procedure for the GM to follow in the event of a team being left inactive mid season...


also there's hardly a way to boot a team from a league at the end of the season to prevent the possibility of an inactive team from making the playoffs... just seems kinda unfair that some player that played hard all season but missed out in the end had a place in the playoffs taken because of an inactive team that just happened to get lucky with injuries and the likes all season... if it can't be done fair enough - but I really just hope that any inactive teams would end up loosing before the end of the season but naturally it's not going to happen every time...

and naturally enough the given player would be dropped to the lowest possible division for the next season and would need to give some assurances that they will be active for the next season...

I know there are exceptions where some people may have had a genuine reason and perhaps in these cases some form of vote could take place between either the remaining members of the division or by the GMs amongst themselves... preferably by the GM's because other players in the division may have bitter feelings after a 0.2 point loss or simply because they became inactive straight after they had played them etc etc... the standard rule should be that you get relegated to the bottom but in very certain circumstances the GM's and other members may think it was enough of a reason to give them another shot... I'm just thinking here about perhaps someone in the military getting called up for a few weeks service with very short notice... who knows but it would need to be a damn good excuse but I'm sure their is the possibility of it happening - just perhaps needs to be taken into account - either that or a standard rule that means regardless of who you are you accept that if you are inactive for a set length of time you get relegated the next week...

perhaps 2-3 weeks inactivity would be enough before the rules and take over of the team would happen... but once again the rules need to be set before hand... perhaps 2 game weeks of inactivity and if they remain inactive by the Saturday evening or Sunday midnight Irish time the GM should take the team over to prevent a 3rd week of inactivity

this could even be knocked down to 1 week inactivity where the GM can jump in and replace any players in the 2nd week who are on Bye Weeks or on IR if necceasry but leave all other players untouched for the week but come week 3 the GM assumes complete control of the team... (this assuming a GM can make changes but still allowing the original owner to take over)

anyways - that's what I'd like to see but if there's a problem with it please point it out and why it wouldn't work so we can change it

just trying to make a standard set of rules is all so there can be no giving out about why someones team was taken over right before I had to play the inactive guy but the last guy had a game against a team of injured and benched players... just to avoid any possibility of arguments the rules for when to take over need to be set in stone

My 2 cents most of which has already been mentioned

• Charter should include the generic boards stuff. Place nice, no spam, and so on so forth.

• The charter should spell out the rules we go by in boards fantasy football.

• The charter should define how a GM is selected. I would suggest that this would be defined as current GM stays on unless a league member proposes his removal and that is carried by at least 3 other league members. Upon which time any body interested in taking over would put their hat in the ring and a vote would take place between the 16 league members to select the new GM from the candidates that put themselves forward

• The charter should define the exact setting that must be applied in the boards fantasy football leagues

• League specific rules should be clearly mentioned in the charter

• There needs definition of inactivity. And the consequences of a member being inactive. Inactive for 1 season relegated to bottom division. Inactive for two straight seasons banned from entering into the boards fantasy football league structure.

• Promotion / Relegation. The rules on this need to be clearly defined in the charter. (My view on it is below)

The number of teams that are promoted and relegated each season should be advised in the charter. (I think its 4 up 4 down)

The 4 teams promoted are those that make the semi of the playoffs.
If one of these wont be active the following season then the side that finished 5th (by virtue of having a higher points score in the first round of the playoffs should go up as we have 6 team playoffs.
If they are not available then the other sie making the playoffs goes up.
If they are not available then it goes by seasn win loss records and if equal then the cumulative points totals the remaining teams finished with.
Regarding relegation

The 4 teams going down will begin with any inactive teams
If more than 4 teams were inactive then additional promotion spots will be provided and all the inactive teams will be relegated to the bottom division
Inactivity should be clearly defined in the rules

• How an inactive team works should be defined aswell My take on it is that if a team goes inactive (as defined by what is agreed as inactivity) then the GM should manage this team by putting the best team out weekly based on NFL.com projections. I suggest this so as to make it fair to those who had to play against this team when it was competing so everybody should essentialyl be treated fairly.

• To make this fair I think you need to go further and add that if the GM has to make a change to the team due to bye weeks to ensure every team plays a side with a full active side he should take the best projected score from NFL.com from the free agency market to to that. so for example if the inactive team has Dallas DEF who are on a bye then the GM should bring in the best projected FA defense in its place lets use Tampa for example. It should be agreed however that none of the other users can pickup Dallas off the waivers and following that week the GM should revert to the original selection by swapping Dallas back in and dropping Tampa.

• Not mentioned but it should obviously state that anybody found to have 2 teams in the boards league structure wil be automatically banned from being in the league
• The should be a procedure in place should a team attempt to sabotage the league by emptying their team roster onto the market. How it was dealt with in D2 last season should be the blueprint. i.e the league GM manually overrides any changes to the rosters puts the players back on the team and locks the sabotaging owner from accessing the team. This team will then be treated as inactive.
• There should be a Division thread for each season These threads should only list the exact rosters of each team and should be updated weekly and should also list all the results of games. The reason for this is should a GM decide to sabotage things by deleting a league a new one could be setup and rosters etc set to negate the malicious actions.

I think this is the most important thing not listed in this thread so far

• I also think the charter should clearly state when the legue drafts will take place. I would agree that mentioning all drafts will beging between end of preseason and x number of days before the league kickoff would be the best way to go.

If a top player is dropped by a team by accident then it should be fair game and go to the top waiver request. Its a harsh reality for the player doing the dropping that he will not make the same mistake again. It also sends a dangerous precedent for people having second thoughts about dropping a player knowing that they can get him back by pleading accident

Agree 100% with D3PO

Up to players to manage their own teams. Forget about bye weeks? can't get to change your team? going on holidays? Tough

Frisbee wrote: »

Does anyone know exactly how many leagues we have active?

I know for certain we have:

Boards Div 1 - 5
Keeper league
NCAA Fantasy League
PPR League

I'm just trying to get a bit of structure sorted into the Fantasy football Sub-forum so once we have a charter and definitive set of rules nailed down we can open her up straight away.

If I've missed any, which I'm sure I have, can you PM them to me or just post them up here?

Cheers

There is also the Late to the Party league and the Paddy Patriots league (although i'm not sure if thats run through here or just has members here in it)