Average public sector pay in UK is £23.6 k a year - ours is € 48k a year !

kincsem · 13-09-2011 10:27PM

The merry-go-round is still going.

gigino · 13-09-2011 11:50PM

Betaketone wrote: »

Having lived in different parts of England for far too long I'd say that on average prices here are circa 15-20% higher.

As Gay Byrne once said, " we wanted our independence and we have to pay for it".

However, with the IMF pumping / lending our government ( at high interest rates ) € 20,000,000,000 per year just so we can pay our recepients of public money almost double the UK rates, how sustainable is this?

whubee · 14-09-2011 12:26AM

Well that seems a lot. Yet the front liners seem to not be raking it in.
So who exactly is pushing up the average? And who's allocating them so much?

Golden parachutes and backscratching.

gigino · 14-09-2011 12:58AM

whubee wrote: »

Yet the front liners seem to not be raking it in.

Like the teacher on the radio who was whinging about finding it difficult to keep up the repayments on the holiday home in Croatia ?
Someone is raking it in when the C.S.O. found that average public sector pay in Ireland is nearly double what it is in the U.K.

Fulton Crown · 14-09-2011 08:45AM

whubee wrote: »

Well that seems a lot. Yet the front liners seem to not be raking it in.
So who exactly is pushing up the average? And who's allocating them so much?

Golden parachutes and backscratching.

Pssst !

Have a look at what the University guys get......fair make the hair stand on your head.

Remember the goon down in WIT ......TAXIS to Dublin an all that. ?

The music boy in Dublin with the tax funded house parties ?

Oh! Just another thing to remember....the senior lads in the PS/SemiStates....they are all at it....trust me.

:mad:

Bosco boy · 14-09-2011 09:08AM

I see where we are all going to be paying a levy for the foreseeable future on our insurance to pay for another private sector speculator ( Quinn insurance). Most sectors of the private sector in this country have proven themselves to be grossly inefficent, overpaid and a rip off, our shops, builders, banks, garages, Taxi's, resturaunts, phone companies, pretty much all sectors. But it's easy point the finger at the public sector. if the Private sector speculators in this country weren't so greedy we wouldn't be in the **** we're in.

podge3 · 14-09-2011 09:16AM

Average public sector pay is twice that in the UK but the dole is three times the UK rate.

14-09-2011 09:24AM

Here we go again while there probably is a point to be made about pay in the public services there is a much bigger point to be made about the inflexible working arrangements in the public services and ever the most dim witted person must realise that the cost of living is much lower in the uk.

My daughter lives in the uk she is a nurse, she earns about 27k and while there is council tax, hers is a about 100 a month there is also free health care, subsidised school meal, free school books, subsidised swimming pools etc..

My daughter and her bf enjoy a much higher standard of living than they would have here if they were doing similar work here. Food is cheaper, cars are cheaper, housing is cheaper ( except in London where housing is expensive ) holidays are cheaper, they are going on a half board holiday to a nice part of Spain next week for £216 for example, the last time I was over we went to a lovely pub near her and a bottle of good wine was £8 so we had a night out for £8 the list of things that are cheaper is endless. The best one I found was a packet of paracetamol for 16p

Uriel. · 14-09-2011 09:26AM

gigino wrote: »

Average public sector pay in our nearest neighbour, a G7 nation ( one of the worlds main economies and one which is helping to finance our IMF package ) is £ 23600 per year - about € 26k. in euro. They are even complaining that that level of public sector pay is too high over there !
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/7036131/Record-gap-between-public-and-private-sector-pay.html

Average public sector pay here, after pay cuts, is still high - not far off double, at € 48,000 a year, according to the governments own central statistics office, who should know.

http://www.cso.ie/statistics/public_sector_earnings.htm

As many things are cheaper in this country, and with no residental property tax, cheaper petrol/diesel etc, and cheaper new property prices ( new 2 bedroom apartments can now ne bought in parts of Ireland for less than one years average public sector wage )...what will happen ? Will Heinz the cop in Berlin and Harry the cop in Birmingham continue to subsidise Hector the Guard in Ballyhaunis ?

Why did you use CSO statistics from 2008 for Public Sector wages?

There have been cuts since then. If you are gonna try have a rant about something, at least try to make sure your baseline is correct.

14-09-2011 09:27AM

And they had a combine broadband, T.V, Phone package ( with free uk calls ) for 19.99 a months.

MagicSean · 14-09-2011 09:33AM

Gigino I seem to recall doing a full comparison between the wages of a PSNI officer and a Garda just for you in the economics forum. If you recall, after the different tax rates and levies were taken into account the wages of both were pretty similar. And after you take into account that Ireland is 15% more expensive than the rest of the EU, the difference becomes negligible. Of course you ignored all this and kept harping on about your "average pay" figure which, if I may say, you have an unhealthy attachment to.

The reasons the average pay figure is so high are 1) they don't take into account the recent pay cut ( known as the pension levy). 2) There are too many people in middle management. 3) the top level staff are overpaid. Yet because of people like you who have no understanding of the figures the spout, those of us in the public sector who are struggling are forced to justify are pay constantly.

RacoonQueen · 14-09-2011 09:49AM

This is very misleading. The income a lot of public sector staff are earning - support staff, domestic staff, a lot of lower grade admin staff in hopsitals for example would be about 28 - 32k. The average wage is brought up by the extortinate wages of CEO's and other such bigwigs in the public sector.

Of course some receptionists in the public sector have been there 30 years or so and some of them are on about 60k for answering phones, filing and such like.

Azureus · 14-09-2011 10:42AM

I wish that accurately reflected average public sector wages-it doesnt, it highlights the massive difference between CEO/high level staff and lower grade staff payscales.
I earned far more when I worked in the private sector, the only difference really is job security.

Feeona · 14-09-2011 10:48AM

Uriel. wrote: »

Why did you use CSO statistics from 2008 for Public Sector wages?

He was the last person to find out about JFK too. You should have seen his little face when he heard

otwb · 14-09-2011 11:04AM

mrsoundie wrote: »

Having witnessed multiple Public sector pay arguments I wish to pose a question.

Can anyone tell me which is Civil service, Public Service and the rest of those employed by the Government?

Civil Service are essentially the administrative arm of the government - Revenue, Departments of X,Y,Z, Attorney Generals office, Office of Public Works etc. They provide permanent support for the government of the day and try to ensure that policys etc are evidence based and sensible. Job roles range from manning the front desk in your local welfare office to Secretary General of the Department of the Taoiseach.

Public Service is wider than the above and includes nurses, teachers, guards and other 'frontline staff'. Civil Servants are also public servants as they are paid from public funds.

Semi-State are bodies such as ESB / Eirgrid etc (and some banks now?) where the company is run for profit but is substantially owned by the State. These bodies are not subject to 'public sector' pay cuts and pension levies. They generally have not had their pay and benefits touched as they run critical infrastructure, have strong union representation, and a strike would be high impact.

The Government also employs a number of advisors etc whom I assume are paid from public funds but are outside the civil service. These are generally people from the relevant political party or people with backgrounds in press/media and are used to advise the government/ministers. These tend to change when the government changes.

Am not sure where the state agencies fit in - whether they are public service/semi-civil service or semi-state - mabye someone can clear this one up?

jimmmy · 14-09-2011 11:15AM

RacoonQueen wrote: »

This is very misleading. The income a lot of public sector staff are earning - support staff, domestic staff, a lot of lower grade admin staff in hopsitals for example would be about 28 - 32k. The average wage is brought up by the extortinate wages of CEO's and other such bigwigs in the public sector.

Do you think "CEO's and other such bigwigs in the public sector." do not get "extortinate wages" ??? They do, and their wages are included in the average public sector wage there. Its clear that there are too many bigwigs in our public sector though ( we all know some ) , who are getting paid far too much.

StephenHendry · 14-09-2011 11:19AM

the average public sector wage is in the 30k, i do agree that those in the SEO/CEO are probably earning more that their counterparts in the UK

gigino · 14-09-2011 12:04PM

StephenHendry wrote: »

the average public sector wage is in the 30k,

not according our our own Central Statistic Department, who should know. The link was provided earlier. Average public sector pay in UK is £23.6 k a year - ours is € 48k a year

Bosco boy · 14-09-2011 12:13PM

gigino wrote: »

StephenHendry wrote: »

the average public sector wage is in the 30k,

not according our our own Central Statistic Department, who should know. The link was provided earlier. Average public sector pay in UK is £23.6 k a year - ours is € 48k a year

for a start convert the £23.6 k into euro! Maybe you might share with us your own occupation I'd like to compare it to the UK. I'm sure you will have no difficulty with this as it's very relevant to the debate! People in glasshouses etc

RacoonQueen · 14-09-2011 12:18PM

jimmmy wrote: »

Do you think "CEO's and other such bigwigs in the public sector." do not get "extortinate wages" ??? They do, and their wages are included in the average public sector wage there. Its clear that there are too many bigwigs in our public sector though ( we all know some ) , who are getting paid far too much.

What? Did you read my post?

You've pretty much just said the same as me there...

My point is that the 'average' person in the public sector is not on anywhere near 48k a year. The 'bigwigs' are earning four or fives times as much as the 'average' public sector worker. This pushes up the figure...

Paulzx · 14-09-2011 12:52PM

woodoo wrote: »

Gigino was banned from Irish Economy & Politics forum for going on and on and on about the same subject. I really couldn't be bothered discussing the same old tripe with him.

If anyone is interested in reading all the arguments on this question. Just go through a history search on gigino & Irish Economy.

He's had posts removed recently from the Emergency Services forum also for posting the exact same stuff.

It's a public sector fetish i think. I can just picture him at home in a gimp mask poring over public sector wage comparisions........Shudder....

General General · 14-09-2011 12:57PM

A good whinge mended many a thing.

Some people love to set the world to rights by voicing their outrage... they have about as much effect on things as remembering there IS toilet paper in the house, but it's in the utility room & you're in the jacks with a sh!tty bum & a cardboard tube..

woodoo · 14-09-2011 01:00PM

Paulzx wrote: »

He's had posts removed recently from the Emergency Services forum also for posting the exact same stuff.

It's a public sector fetish i think. I can just picture him at home in a gimp mask poring over public sector wage comparisions........Shudder....

Jimmmy is gigino too BTW.

stovelid · 14-09-2011 01:03PM

gigino wrote: »

Will Heinz the cop in Berlin and Harry the cop in Birmingham continue to subsidise Hector the Guard in Ballyhaunis ?

This analogy is so painful that even David McWilliams sub-editor would have removed it in 2006.

Paulzx · 14-09-2011 01:06PM

woodoo wrote: »

Jimmmy is gigino too BTW.

Correct. He's banned from Irish Economy in that guise too

gigino · 14-09-2011 01:08PM

General General wrote: »

A good whinge mended many a thing.

+1. Why else did the bill for government expenditure on public sector pay double between 1999 and 2009 ? It was because of the whinge from the unions / social partners . You are quite correct.

As Ed Walsh says, the man who was head of the University of Limerick, public sector pay levels must be reduced , especially at the top of the public service, where they are absurd.

"'Martial Law' needs to be imposed to bring down rates of pay in Ireland's public sector.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/academic-calls-for-martial-law-on-public-sector-pay-493974.html

Thats the harsh reality, given the economic situation we are in, with the IMF here etc.

Paulzx · 14-09-2011 01:09PM

gigino wrote: »

Hector the Guard in Ballyhaunis ?

Hector's joined the Guards now?

Let yourself goooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.............

Is he patrolling on a racehorse?

Predalien · 14-09-2011 01:12PM

gigino wrote: »

not according our our own Central Statistic Department, who should know. The link was provided earlier. Average public sector pay in UK is £23.6 k a year - ours is € 48k a year

The figures are for 2008, before the pay cut and the pension levy, and the USC.

meditraitor · 14-09-2011 01:13PM

The same bunch of low paid boards posting public sector numpties will come along and derail the thread,

"oh, thats not true...I get paid 20k and have had my wages dropped by 10k since last year.....my kids cant afford shoes" bla bla bla

The simple fact is that the PS and Civil service are over paid and underperforming when comparing like with like in almost every European country..

The statistc are there but NO, you cannot accuse the PS/CS of being a burden on the country.

As they stand now they are,

Dudess · 14-09-2011 01:15PM

@meditraitor: what's invalid about saying they get paid 20k when they get paid 20k?

The "simple fact" is that the minority who get paid huge amounts are used as a stick to beat all PS/semi-state workers with, and that is seriously dumb.

Fulton Crown wrote: »

Have a look at what the University guys get......fair make the hair stand on your head.

Remember the goon down in WIT ......TAXIS to Dublin an all that. ?

The music boy in Dublin with the tax funded house parties ?

Oh! Just another thing to remember....the senior lads in the PS/SemiStates

And what about the majority working in the public sector/semi-states who get a mediocre or low salary? They've more cause to be angry about this than you have, but instead, they get ire directed at them for what the senior folks enjoy.

....they are all at it....trust me.

Trust you? Are you an authority on this with extra insight or something?

Average public sector pay in UK is £23.6 k a year - ours is € 48k a year !

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