Average public sector pay in UK is £23.6 k a year - ours is € 48k a year !

gigino · 13-09-2011 08:01PM #1

Average public sector pay in our nearest neighbour, a G7 nation ( one of the worlds main economies and one which is helping to finance our IMF package ) is £ 23600 per year - about € 26k. in euro. They are even complaining that that level of public sector pay is too high over there !
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/7036131/Record-gap-between-public-and-private-sector-pay.html

Average public sector pay here, after pay cuts, is still high - not far off double, at € 48,000 a year, according to the governments own central statistics office, who should know.

http://www.cso.ie/statistics/public_sector_earnings.htm

As many things are cheaper in this country, and with no residental property tax, cheaper petrol/diesel etc, and cheaper new property prices ( new 2 bedroom apartments can now ne bought in parts of Ireland for less than one years average public sector wage )...what will happen ? Will Heinz the cop in Berlin and Harry the cop in Birmingham continue to subsidise Hector the Guard in Ballyhaunis ?

Latchy · 13-09-2011 08:11PM

The thread about the German guy who wants Ireland to be Humiliated might give you a few pointers in that direction ...

Big Nasty · 13-09-2011 08:13PM

On no! :mad:

Not another one! :eek:

13-09-2011 08:13PM

gigino wrote: »

As many things are cheaper in this country, and with no residental property tax, cheaper petrol/diesel etc, and cheaper new property prices ( new 2 bedroom apartments can now ne bought in parts of Ireland for less than one years average public sector wage )...what will happen ?

Not that much cheaper here if at all, things are going to get a lot worse after Xmas and the budget, what with property tax, water rates, septic tank charges, waste collection increasing, no doubt fuel will go up too in the upcoming budget and god only knows what other taxes and cuts we will be hit with.

Way things are going we will all need to be on wages of €48k or more a year just to get by lol

Dudess · 13-09-2011 08:14PM

Rabble **** fodder ftw...

dissed doc · 13-09-2011 08:22PM

A €500 a week salary for a Garda in 2000 with 4% inflation per year is around €700 by 2008. The salary was actually ~€800. So, salaries were around 14% higher than they would be if they simply matched the countries inflation rate.

Wwith the pension levy and subsequent salary cuts in the public sector, it's not far off and probably exactly right now. Adjusting it down with inflation might be a better idea, but not of course the schadenporn that so many here love.

Not too sure why you want a Garda who has worked pretty hard for a decade to suddenly get half the salary! We need police, but can do with less bitter construction industry workers who, at the end of the day, were the cheerleaders who f ucked Ireland.

Rabidlamb · 13-09-2011 08:23PM

OP, you're correct but your facts won't prove anything to the CPA elite protection squad.
Look, we all know that Kenny & Gilmore aren't stupid swing the axe themselves.
Queue some carefully choreographed charade where we're at the last chance saloon, the IMF storm in & dictate the cuts.
PS cut 20% across the board, probably 30% for those on €80k +.

I thought it would be 2013 but this Greek threatened default is spooking everyone so it might be this year.

Dudess · 13-09-2011 08:24PM

Don't forget the semi-states - ESB and Bord Gais call-centre workers are on 80 grand don't ya know...

Helix · 13-09-2011 08:24PM

due to the way these things work, the word "average" here does not represent the average public sector worker on the front lines, making crappy money and listening to the same people who were telling them to get a job in the private sector since public sector wages were rubbish tell them that they get paid too much though

Betaketone · 13-09-2011 08:26PM

gigino wrote: »

As many things are cheaper in this country, and with no residental property tax, cheaper petrol/diesel etc, and cheaper new property prices ( new 2 bedroom apartments can now ne bought in parts of Ireland for less than one years average public sector wage )...what will happen ? Will Heinz the cop in Berlin and Harry the cop in Birmingham continue to subsidise Hector the Guard in Ballyhaunis ?

Having lived in different parts of England for far too long I'd say that on average prices here are circa 15-20% higher. Ireland is an expensive place to live but I think the surcharge is worth it, hence my return. That 48k pay average is here to stay too, the IMF are begining to decamp and we should be back on the bond market soon enough aswell.

Edit: Some guess!

Helix · 13-09-2011 08:27PM

Rabidlamb wrote: »

PS cut 20% across the board, probably 30% for those on €80k +.

no

what you need to do is cut lumps out of middle management who've done nothing to earn their money apart from be there the longest, then you need to impose a maximum wage for civil servants at the top end

cut the bottom end MAYBE 3-5%. maybe. if the above cuts arent enough

Dudess · 13-09-2011 08:27PM

Helix wrote: »

due to the way these things work, the word "average" here does not represent the average public sector worker on the front lines, making crappy money

Ah now, don't let facts, realities, silly things like that get in the way of good auld vitriolic attacks.

And of course we all know too that the public sector is really cushy across the board, even for nurses, psychiatric nurses, cleaners, street cleaners, paramedics, construction workers. Fecking sweet they have it... :mad:

Helix · 13-09-2011 08:28PM

Dudess wrote: »

Ah now, don't let facts, realities, silly things like that get in the way of good auld vitriolic attacks.

sure theyre all on €50k a year for licking envelopes and taking half days joe

Dudess · 13-09-2011 08:31PM

No need for the sarcasm Helix - I heard (can't remember off whom) of some guy who works in the civil service (no idea what department) and it's true!

byhookorbycrook · 13-09-2011 08:32PM

So how much more does the Irish private sector worker make compared to the same job in England?People like to quote the public sector figures, but never seem to compare the private ones?

mrsoundie · 13-09-2011 08:37PM

Having witnessed multiple Public sector pay arguments I wish to pose a question.

Can anyone tell me which is Civil service, Public Service and the rest of those employed by the Government?

not yet · 13-09-2011 08:38PM

gigino wrote: »

Average public sector pay in our nearest neighbour, a G7 nation ( one of the worlds main economies and one which is helping to finance our IMF package ) is £ 23600 per year - about € 26k. in euro. They are even complaining that that level of public sector pay is too high over there !
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/7036131/Record-gap-between-public-and-private-sector-pay.html

Average public sector pay here, after pay cuts, is still high - not far off double, at € 48,000 a year, according to the governments own central statistics office, who should know.

http://www.cso.ie/statistics/public_sector_earnings.htm

As many things are cheaper in this country, and with no residental property tax, cheaper petrol/diesel etc, and cheaper new property prices ( new 2 bedroom apartments can now ne bought in parts of Ireland for less than one years average public sector wage )...what will happen ? Will Heinz the cop in Berlin and Harry the cop in Birmingham continue to subsidise Hector the Guard in Ballyhaunis ?

Go way...are you serious. Why don't we sack all PS and recruit in england..........saving god knows how many billions, pesky ps workers should be sacked.

Betaketone · 13-09-2011 08:38PM

hellboy99 wrote: »

Way things are going we will all need to be on wages of €48k or more a year just to get by lol

Thats right. Everytime I turn on the radio it seems prices are going up along with paycuts and job losses. Something is going to have to give.

Fulton Crown · 13-09-2011 08:38PM

Dudess wrote: »

Ah now, don't let facts, realities, silly things like that get in the way of good auld vitriolic attacks.

And of course we all know too that the public sector is really cushy across the board, even for nurses, psychiatric nurses, cleaners, street cleaners, paramedics, construction workers. Fecking sweet they have it... :mad:

What vitriol ? back up that assertion missus or keep your beak shut !

Now what amuses this poster is Government Goons telling people to tighten their belts and all of their top boys ..The Sec generals ...retire in mid fifties with handshakes of €750K and a pensions of €140k,,,,index linked !

An while I'm at it ....how come we are lumped with an insurance levy of 2% to pay for that nice Mr Quinn and his family ?

How did they get to the stage where they were so insolvent....where was the regulator....Oh sorry..pardon my stupidity ...retired with trouser loads of dosh and pension 5 times the industrial wage.

Pick the vitriol outa that missus ........:eek:

Chuck Stone · 13-09-2011 08:42PM

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

So how much more does the Irish private sector worker make compared to the same job in England?People like to quote the public sector figures, but never seem to compare the private ones?

What's the point?

Unlike the PS, taxpayers are not forced to pay private sector wages.

Every PS worker's pay is serviced by the tax paying public whether the tax-payer likes it or not and whether they get value for money or not.

Dudess · 13-09-2011 08:42PM

There are constantly vitriolic attacks on public sector workers here - and the "top boys"... as if the vast majority in the lower ranks deserve the same abuse as them.

not yet · 13-09-2011 08:42PM

mrsoundie wrote: »

Having witnessed multiple Public sector pay arguments I wish to pose a question.

Can anyone tell me which is Civil service, Public Service and the rest of those employed by the Government?

Doesn't matter a fvck kill em all...............

13-09-2011 08:44PM

Fair play to anyone on an annual wage of €48k I say, personally I don't care what they are on, what really gets to me is when you hear them crying about it not being enough and they can't get by :mad:

€48k is nothing to be sniffed at and if you can't manage on a wage like that then your doing something wrong.

not yet · 13-09-2011 08:47PM

Talk to joe,talk to joe...............hello caller your on air.

Eh howya joe, I know someone who heard from a friend that works in the local pub that those durty PS workers even get a pension. Imagine that joe, working for 40yrs and paying superannuation and all and they expect a pension.............................

whats to become of us joe.

TheZohanS · 13-09-2011 08:48PM

Betaketone wrote: »

Having lived in different parts of England for far too long I'd say that on average prices here are circa 15-20% higher. Ireland is an expensive place to live but I think the surcharge is worth it, hence my return. That 48k pay average is here to stay too, the IMF are begining to decamp and we should be back on the bond market soon enough aswell.

Edit: Some guess!

That's very optimistic of you but I'd say it will be at least 18 months before we hit the bond market.

ChunkyLover_53 · 13-09-2011 08:57PM

Fuppin' Public Sector Barstards!

How dare ye have a job!

Sack them all & replace with cheap Foringers!

Put them all on the Dole! Problem solved. Thats right I said SOLVED!!

Then we can lynch the Foringers for DEYTUKRJABS!

markesmith · 13-09-2011 09:14PM

€48,000 is more than I make, and I actually add to bottom line :eek:

woodoo · 13-09-2011 09:16PM

Gigino was banned from Irish Economy & Politics forum for going on and on and on about the same subject. I really couldn't be bothered discussing the same old tripe with him.

If anyone is interested in reading all the arguments on this question. Just go through a history search on gigino & Irish Economy.

Scofflaw wrote: »

gigino, you've been banned twice already for trolling and persistently making inflammatory claims about PS workers. Last time I warned you that further behaviour along the same lines would result in a permaban.

And here we are. So, permabanned from Politics.

moderately,
Scofflaw

Vizzy · 13-09-2011 09:48PM

woodoo wrote: »

Gigino was banned from Irish Economy & Politics forum for going on and on and on about the same subject. I really couldn't be bothered discussing the same old tripe with him.

If anyone is interested in reading all the arguments on this question. Just go through a history search on gigino & Irish Economy.

Ah but he's a tryer !

And even better nobody seems to be taking him seriously here.

The icing on the cake is that he is a PS worker himself (or so he claims anyway)

Indie18 · 13-09-2011 09:58PM

In an attempt not to offend annyone or break any rules I'll just say that all of Gigino's posts are Foopin stupid C-nuts.

woodoo · 13-09-2011 10:20PM

Vizzy wrote: »

The icing on the cake is that he is a PS worker himself (or so he claims anyway)

I read that yeah. Extremely doubtful. Who would invest so much time and energy rubbishing where they work and screaming for their pay to be slashed.

Average public sector pay in UK is £23.6 k a year - ours is € 48k a year !

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