Facetime or Facepalm?

bertie4evr · 11-09-2011 03:41PM

Buceph wrote: »

I like the irony that the reason to get an iPhone is because of all the apps.

Yeah because those Android phones are a scream out of the box.

11-09-2011 03:46PM

Who buys iPhones and iPads when other companies offer superior hardware at a lower price?

iDiots.

bertie4evr · 11-09-2011 03:48PM

What about software? Does that count for nothing?

Snowie · 11-09-2011 03:49PM

RacoonQueen wrote: »

I'm an apple junkie. I'm sorry that this offends you.

a woman who like apple

*druels rubs thighs *:pac:

Helix · 11-09-2011 03:50PM

i hate apple as a company. i hate the fact that they make their products for people who cant be trusted to use pcs without breaking them. i hate the "oh but macs dont break" nonsense spouted by people who will no doubt be asking you to fix their mac 6 months down the line.

if there has ever been a company who has absolutely nailed style over substance and is laughing all the way to the bank due to it, it is apple

Wibbs · 11-09-2011 05:58PM

bertie4evr wrote: »

What about software? Does that count for nothing?

Exactly, it's the whole user experience. I use windows and mac, I have an iphone and had an android phone. I find windows much more customisable but I also find it a headwreck at times with too many distractions. The constant popups that ask "are you sure you want to do X" that passes for security in Microsofts mind for a start. Sleep mode on the mac is better IME. The os boots faster too. Oh yea windows has gotten better and will get to the desktop, but actually loaded and ready to rock? Nope. When the desktop appears on the mac you're ready to start. Installing and deleting apps another pain in the arse in windows. The mac has a far better installer paradigm and a magnitude better uninstall. They run app packages on mac os so in most cases you can just drag the app to the bin and delete. System preferences are all in one place. They can be all over the place on windows.

Helix wrote: »

if there has ever been a company who has absolutely nailed style over substance and is laughing all the way to the bank due to it, it is apple

Yet their "stye over substance" is what has made a pc laptop look the way it is today. And what made USB ubiquitous cross platform and what made the floppy extinct(and they were the first to ship with DVD writers/trackpads) And what made plug and play/ease of install/ease of networking actually work And what made the desktop GUI look the way it is today cross platform. And what made multimedia something you just do out of the box(even there windows 7 is still lagging). And that list goes on. And what makes an Android Phone look like an iPhone(which it didn't until the latter came out and took off). How long before you'll have laptop PC's with no buttons and trackpad gestures? And "app stores"?

AgileMyth · 11-09-2011 06:07PM

Apple are fantastic at taking other peoples ideas and pretending its their own. I can't think of a single original idea thats come out of the company
Its just marketing, people will pay well above the odds for the apple brand. This is because people are idiots.

bertie4evr · 11-09-2011 06:07PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Yet their "stye over substance" is what has made a pc laptop look the way it is today. And what made USB ubiquitous cross platform and what made the floppy extinct(and they were the first to ship with DVD writers/trackpads) And what made plug and play/ease of install/ease of networking actually work And what made the desktop GUI look the way it is today cross platform. And what made multimedia something you just do out of the box(even there windows 7 is still lagging). And that list goes on. And what makes an Android Phone look like an iPhone(which it didn't until the latter came out and took off). How long before you'll have laptop PC's with no buttons and trackpad gestures? And "app stores"?

Not to mention the laptop form factor and ergonomic layout.

lol at previous post

Jev/N · 11-09-2011 07:09PM

strobe wrote: »

I don't like Apple. But to be fair it's not their fault. I mean, mp3 players are around fucking years, then Apple bring out the i-pod and everyone is all 'wow, Apple are such innovators!!111one11!!' So that's not Apples fault, it's the idiots that love them. Then Microsoft guy invents the tablet computer in like 2003 or something, it's well liked but doesn't take off. Then Apple bring out the i-pad 5 years later and all the fanboys are like "wow, Apple are such innovators!!111one111eleventy11!' even though they are nothing of the sort.

You might need to check the definition of an innovator

Wibbs · 11-09-2011 09:45PM

bertie4evr wrote: »

Not to mention the laptop form factor and ergonomic layout.

Yep like I pointed out earlier your modern pc laptop owes it's basic form factor to an apple powerbook from 20 years ago. They've innovated numerous times on the portable front. The GUI. Cast back again 20 + years and what looks more like a modern windows OS, the macintosh system or what was coming out of Redmond. Now the usual retort is they nicked the idea from xerox parc, but if people actually knew even a little on GUI history and actually looked at a xerox parc GUI and then the apple version, they would see that the former was certainly an inspiration, defo a kick off point but they took the GUI way beyond that in ways Microsoft couldn't begin to match. Well they didn't match it, they basically copied it within the bounds of the law. they did a better job working with IBM in the case of OS2, but their own efforts were pretty laughable. BeOS was another nice GUI at the time.

AgileMyth wrote: »

Microsoft are fantastic at taking other peoples ideas and pretending its their own. I can't think of a single original idea thats come out of the company

FYP. If you can't think of a single idea that came out of apple, the company considered by most analysts to have been one of the biggest innovators in the history of industry, then maybe you need to read up more on the evolution of the personal computer before 2005.

OK better example; cast your mind back to the computers of the past, now come up to date, which platform of the 80/90's looks more like the one today?
Smartphone? Original android prototypes;http://www.digitaltechnews.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/11/12/android_phone.jpg
http://www.techchee.com/img/google-android-prototype-181207.jpg
Funny how they "innovated" after the iphone came out eh? Like hell they did, they just ripped it off.

partyatmygaff · 11-09-2011 10:02PM

Wibbs wrote: »

OK better example; cast your mind back to the computers of the past, now come up to date, which platform of the 80/90's looks more like the one today?
Smartphone? Original android prototypes;http://www.digitaltechnews.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/11/12/android_phone.jpg
http://www.techchee.com/img/google-android-prototype-181207.jpg
Funny how they "innovated" after the iphone came out eh? Like hell they did, they just ripped it off.

Eh, that was a hardware prototype used to test out the platform by Google. Google don't make hardware, they only make software.

Funny you should mention people ripping hardware designs off. LG announced the LG Prada in late 2006 right before Apple announced the original iPhone in 2007. Apple did not invent the slate phone form factor, they only popularised it with their powerful marketing.

bertie4evr · 11-09-2011 10:08PM

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Eh, that was a hardware prototype used to test out the platform by Google. Google don't make hardware, they only make software.

Funny you should mention people ripping hardware designs off. LG announced the LG Prada in late 2006 right before Apple announced the original iPhone in 2007. Apple did not invent the slate phone form factor, they only popularised it with their powerful marketing.

Yeah because Apple whipped up the iPhone in a couple of months after seeing an LG prototype.

Teutorix · 11-09-2011 10:10PM

bertie4evr wrote: »

Yeah because Apple whipped up the iPhone in a couple of months after seeing an LG prototype.

And LG just magically copied an unannounced product. :rolleyes:

bertie4evr · 11-09-2011 10:14PM

Teutorix wrote: »

And LG just magically copied an unannounced product. :rolleyes:

I'm not saying LG copied Apple. I'm sure the iPhone was in development for many years and they didn't just decide to change the design at such a late stage.

partyatmygaff · 11-09-2011 10:16PM

bertie4evr wrote: »

Yeah because Apple whipped up the iPhone in a couple of months after seeing an LG prototype.

No one said anything about Apple ripping LG off. It's just that phones with large touchscreens and few hardware buttons are nothing new. Apple aren't as "innovative" as people constantly make them out to be. They just have a very powerful brand propped up by an extremely able marketing department.

Helix · 11-09-2011 10:23PM

Wibbs wrote: »

Yet their "stye over substance" is what has made a pc laptop look the way it is today.

you're trying to debunk a point about style being apples main strength by... talking about how they influenced style? wut?

Wibbs wrote: »

And what made USB ubiquitous cross platform

and here was me thinking that the seven companies who created the standards for it (of which apple were not one) played a part in that. silly me eh

Wibbs wrote: »

and what made the floppy extinct

floppy discs were made extinct by the increase in viability of optical and flash memory based media. apple didnt create either

Wibbs wrote: »

and they were the first to ship with DVD writers/trackpads

by how long? are you trying to say nobody thought of it before they got them out there or something? is track pad technology an apple creation?

Wibbs wrote: »

And what made plug and play/ease of install/ease of networking actually work

you tell me. who created all the technologies you're mentioning there

Wibbs wrote: »

And what made the desktop GUI look the way it is today cross platform

xerox 8010 star

Wibbs wrote: »

And what made multimedia something you just do out of the box(even there windows 7 is still lagging

are you trying to say that apple are the first company to ever to have an out of the box system that worked fine? most computers in the world work perfectly until idiot users get their hands on them, apple just made it more difficult to break their software, and in doing so also made it more of a pain in the arse for advanced users. some people dont like hand holding

Wibbs wrote: »

And what makes an Android Phone look like an iPhone(which it didn't until the latter came out and took off)

look up the ipaq

Wibbs wrote: »

How long before you'll have laptop PC's with no buttons and trackpad gestures? And "app stores"?

you keep talking about things that apple didnt create, as if they did. i dont get it? your post has done bugger all to disprove anything i said

apple trade on the basic idea that their things work out of the box. that's grand for joe bloggs who keeps breaking his pc. if thats what you want, then theyre fine. you'll pay way more than you should for the privilege though. but people dont mind that, coz it looks pretty and "doesnt crash"

Wibbs · 11-09-2011 10:28PM

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Eh, that was a hardware prototype used to test out the platform by Google. Google don't make hardware, they only make software.

I know that. Try looking at the original API's for android and then get back to me about the platform. The hardware prototype reflects that.

Funny you should mention people ripping hardware designs off. LG announced the LG Prada in late 2006 right before Apple announced the original iPhone in 2007. Apple did not invent the slate phone form factor, they only popularised it with their powerful marketing.

Apple were actively developing their phone from the start of 05. Apple have been researching and bringing to market touchscreen devices since the start of the 90's. Indeed researching them since the 80's. http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2009/news/0909/gallery.Gizmodo_gallery/6.html http://www.theapplemuseum.com/index.php?id=45

Christ stuff like this would almost make me want to be a fanboy and trust me I'm soooo not one on so many levels. But this "apple never innovate" is so utterly daft it's scarcely believable.

11-09-2011 10:29PM

I have an iPhone and I've never even used FaceTime once.

Paparazzo · 11-09-2011 10:31PM

Teutorix wrote: »

Facetime: because we cant admit that we are 10 years late to video calling.

The thing is, it was shíte then, and it's shíte now. Reminds me of this

RacoonQueen wrote: »

I never have understood why people have such difficulty with itunes. It's a piece of piss to use...

I don't think people have difficulty in using it, they just hate it because it's completely rubbish.

Resi12 · 11-09-2011 10:41PM

I don't get people's obsession with Mac products. It's a little odd for me, even if you're into technology.

I mean I am into fashion, doesn't mean I only shop from one store/label for everything clothes related. Even worse the majority act like everyone else are the sheep and they are the cool crowd, yet they are the ones who solely spend thousands on one company.

It's just... weird.

Wibbs · 11-09-2011 10:51PM

Helix wrote: »

you're trying to debunk a point about style being apples main strength by... talking about how they influenced style? wut?

You do realise good design/style at its best influences function? Who do you work for? Microsoft?

and here was me thinking that the seven companies who created the standards for it (of which apple were not one) played a part in that. silly me eh

Who brought it to market? Who spanned a raft of third party peripherals for the standard? Like someone else said earlier in the thread, you do understand what innovation means?

floppy discs were made extinct by the increase in viability of optical and flash memory based media. apple didnt create either

Again who were the first to get rid of it? And indeed the first to promote it? The floppy disk as most know it was shrunk to fit into the original mac.

by how long? are you trying to say nobody thought of it before they got them out there or something? is track pad technology an apple creation?

Again who were the first to integrate it into a portable PC? Innovation seems to be a sticking point here. Maybe Raphael wasn't so great a painter after all he didn't invent pigments. Apple Powerbook 500 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e8/540c_open.jpg from 1994. Look at it from nearly 20 years ago, now look at your PC laptop. Then look at PC laptops from the same era. Try and find one with a trackpad and palmrests, 16bit integrated stereo sound, colour active matrix display, built in ethernet connectivity, third party expansion slots, intelligent battery management, full sleep capabilities and host of other innovations.

you tell me. who created all the technologies you're mentioning there

Who made them work in an integrated product? Plus they did a huge amount of inhouse work to make them work. Ease of install was inhouse Apple, Plug and play was inhouse apple. Duhh they were part of their OS.

xerox 8010 star

Like I said before, get back to me when you've used one. I have. I am that old. It's a GUI but not as we know it today or how apples GUI operated very soon after. http://toastytech.com/guis/starbitmap2.gif

are you trying to say that apple are the first company to ever to have an out of the box system that worked fine?

In multimedia terms? Are you serious? In 1985 you go off and find me a platform/OS with multimedia capabilities. Hell by 1990 many PC's didn't even come with a soundcard.

most computers in the world work perfectly until idiot users get their hands on them

You mean most people? You try starting, never mind driving a top of the range 1930's Bentley. Now you can hop in your box on wheels and it just goes, without recourse to setting the advanc on the steering wheel and checking the magnetos and oiling the trunnions before every trip. Knock yourself out if you dig that kinda thing, most people don't. A computer is a tool, end of. It should not get in the way of actual work/art/output/fun. The ability to tinker should not be an end in of itself, unless you're a mechanic/engineer.

look up the ipaq

I had one. 9 years after I had a Newton. Look it up.

you keep talking about things that apple didnt create, as if they did. i dont get it? your post has done bugger all to disprove anything i said

It has, you just don't see it.

apple trade on the basic idea that their things work out of the box. that's grand for joe bloggs who keeps breaking his pc. if thats what you want, then theyre fine. you'll pay way more than you should for the privilege though. but people dont mind that, coz it looks pretty and "doesnt crash"

You say that as if Joe bloggs who just wants to actually use a device is somehow silly in that pursuit. You do realise great strides forward in human history have come about when stuff was made easier than before?

CallMeFlo · 11-09-2011 10:53PM

I hate it when the guy talking says "Well if you haven't got an iPhone... Then you haven't got an iPhone"

Well no sh!t Sherlock!!!

Azureus · 12-09-2011 02:30PM

^ Fupping hate that ad!!! I dont like iphones anyway, but that ad worked as anti-advertising for me

Ruu_Old · 12-09-2011 02:31PM

No Nokia 3210 option? Disappointing. ;_;

jester77 · 12-09-2011 02:40PM

I like Facetime as it is so user friendly. I used to try and communicate with my parents via skype. Most of the time I would give up as they had no idea what they were doing, sometimes there was no video, sometimes there was no sound, if the video window disappeared into the background they didn't know how to get it back. And that was before the multitude of Windows problems had to be dealt with.

I bought them an iPad2, configured it for them and sent it over. Since then, not 1 single problem. They just swipe to unlock, hit the Facetime icon and click my name. You can say what you want about Apple, but they do make idiot proof software that even your parents can use.

smash · 12-09-2011 02:42PM

You know who's worse than devote apple fans?

The apple haters!

Das Kitty · 12-09-2011 02:57PM

Threads like this prove to me that abolishing religion would not solve the world's problems!

I don't think I'll ever understand why people care so much about people's phone/computer preference.

mathie · 12-09-2011 03:11PM

RacoonQueen wrote: »

I never have understood why people have such difficulty with itunes. It's a piece of piss to use...

Worst. Software. Ever.

What if the size of the music on your hard drive is more than you iPhone/iPod?

Hard luck.
Piece of 5hite.

And I'm a programmer so I know everything.

pajunior · 12-09-2011 03:12PM

af_thefragile wrote: »

Also I should add the Mac Pro is the only Apple product I'ld like to own. I really despise the way Apple rips off people on their cheaper lower end products such as the macbooks. Also despise the way how apple builds their products to only last a certain time. For example the battery on the macbook dies after a couple of years and you're forced to buy a new battery from Apple to use your macbook as a laptop. Another thing they'll allow the systems to run toasty hot. The cpu temps on the macbooks (don't know about the pros) easily go over 80c under load. This is why most macbooks become slow worthless junk in a few years time. Similar stuff happens with their ipod and iphones.

I can say all of this because I used to own a macbook (actually still do) until its battery died in year 2 of its life and then it became a super slow sluggish piece of junk in about 3-4 years time.

Also own an iPhone 3Gs which over the years have become increasingly slow and sluggish.

Granted windows PCs become the same after a few years of use too (unless you build your own with quality parts and decent cooling and know know to look after it, which is another thing I despise about apple how they won't let you "build and upgrade your own mac" like you can build and upgrade a PC), but PCs don't cost a million billion like macs do. And so you end up paying almost twice as much for a mac which only lasts half as long as a similarly priced PC so that after your pricey mac dies, you are forced to buy the new model which they inevitably release every couple of years in case of their computers and every year in case of their iPods, iPhones etc.

And this is why I dislike Apple quite a lot...

Still after saying that PCs have their flaws too in the heap of junk that the Windows operating system is. The windows 7 is good but if only Microsoft could engineer windows upto OSX standards, it would be sooooo much better than rip off Apples!!

Bottom line:

PC:
Pros - Cheap, can build your own with good parts, if you know what you're doing, will last you a long time.
Cons - Windows is still far from ideal as an OS. Lots of bugs and lots of maintenance work with virus and stuff. Still you can always make backups and reformat your system to make it run like new.

Macs:
Pros - OSX is a really good and smooth OS. Less worries about viruses, driver updates and compatibility etc. Less maintenance work and less hassle to work.
Cons - Mighty expensive. Can't upgrade. Will become useless in a few years forcing you to buy the new model.

But you can build your own mac. People call them hackintosh's. Get all the benefits you have above plus your favorite operating system.

Not that I care for OSX

smash · 12-09-2011 03:14PM

mathie wrote: »

Worst. Software. Ever.

What if the size of the music on your hard drive is more than you iPhone/iPod?

Hard luck.
Piece of 5hite.

That's nothing to do with iTunes. It will still build a library, you just can't transfer all to your iPod or iPhone.

Facetime or Facepalm?

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