Will the zombie craze ever die out?

Remouad · 07-09-2011 11:26AM

Zombies will always be popular because it allows the good guy to shoot loads of people but still be a good guy. Guy goes into a shopping center and shoots loads of people hes a bad guy but if they were zombies....

Also zombies are scary for 2 reasons 1) They want to eat you and 2) unlike vampires and werewolves becoming a zombie means a total loss of control & personality.
That’s terrifying for some people.

Private Snafu · 07-09-2011 11:36AM

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

It will always be around though...cuz zombies are cool and it's hard to ruin them by making films about teenage girls wanting to **** them.

What about teenage guys wanting to **** them?
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Remmy · 07-09-2011 11:45AM

That reminds me, I cannot fcuking wait for season 2 of the walking dead. I have re watched season 1 in anticipation.

smash · 07-09-2011 11:46AM

Die out? How can you kill the undead?

ScumLord · 07-09-2011 11:47AM

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Shaun of the Dead!

It's a good comedy but not a great zombie film it falls for the same fallacies as every other so called zombie film. Humans simply can't do the damage we see them do in films.

Logical Fallacy · 07-09-2011 11:57AM

lperrozzi wrote: »

What about teenage guys wanting to **** them?

Yeah, that would kill zombie movies in their tracks.

ScumLord wrote: »

It's a good comedy but not a great zombie film it falls for the same fallacies as every other so called zombie film. Humans simply can't do the damage we see them do in films.

I like my zombie films to be ridiculous though...if i want realism i'll watch turn on the Beeb and watch a nice docy-wocy.

Bipolar Joe · 07-09-2011 12:03PM

ScumLord wrote: »

It's a good comedy but not a great zombie film it falls for the same fallacies as every other so called zombie film. Humans simply can't do the damage we see them do in films.

The idea is that the zombies don't understand pain, so they don't hold back when lashing out, plus fifty odd people pressing against a door will almost certainly make it come crashing down.

As for decent modern zombie films, Dead Snow was fantastic. Peter Jackson's Braindead, Land Of The Dead, Black Sheep for another comedy, and Dead Meat, the Irish zombie flick. There are plenty, you just have to find them.

LeeHoffmann · 07-09-2011 12:05PM

The idea is that the zombies don't understand pain, so they don't hold back when lashing out, plus fifty odd people pressing against a door will almost certainly make it come crashing down.

I think it's more the kind of stuff where you see zombies ripping bodies apart with their bare hands that he's getting at. That kind of thing is just silly imo

I like the Dawn of the Dead too. Still hate chainsaws because of that movie! :mad:

ScumLord · 07-09-2011 12:13PM

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

I like my zombie films to be ridiculous though...if i want realism i'll watch turn on the Beeb and watch a nice docy-wocy.

I'm sick to my back teeth of ridiculous, it's been done to death, I want some realism and some thought put into the plot. The original zombie film was about characters trapped in a frightening world, gore had little to do with it.

Bipolar Joe wrote: »

The idea is that the zombies don't understand pain, so they don't hold back when lashing out, plus fifty odd people pressing against a door will almost certainly make it come crashing down.

There are other problems with having no pain threshold, namely that your body will rip itself apart rendering the zombie completely useless and weak within hours. zombies cannot bite through human skin with great effect, they can't rip a body apart and they most certainly can't run.

Logical Fallacy · 07-09-2011 12:19PM

LeeHoffmann wrote: »

I think it's more the kind of stuff where you see zombies ripping bodies apart with their bare hands that he's getting at. That kind of thing is just silly imo :mad:

Agreed, it's the unfortunate need for gore in movies. Much better to just see someone go down under a weight of numbers without all the gut pulling.

That said, the idea of a zombie outbreak is pretty much dismissible due to common sense...chances are a hungry dog would take a single zombie in a straight fight.

LeeHoffmann · 07-09-2011 12:21PM

wouldn't he become a zombie hound then?

Agreed that zombie outbreaks defy common sense but so do all sorts of other movies genres (action, superhero, romance, aliens) - it's making them seem like it could actually happen that makes them so appealing. I don't mind zombies running but pulling the body apart seems silly. Not sure about scenes in which zombies eat their own bodies

Logical Fallacy · 07-09-2011 12:22PM

LeeHoffmann wrote: »

wouldn't he become a zombie hound then?

That's entirely dependent on the offered reason for the zombieism in the first place I suppose.

LeeHoffmann · 07-09-2011 12:25PM

I guess. I'm only really familiar with the modern zombie films, which seem to be mostly based around virus/disease type scenarios. Usually once a zombie bites a human, the human is doomed. I would have thought the same the other way round?

Bipolar Joe · 07-09-2011 12:25PM

Oh, forgot [REC], which is a blisteringly good film.

LeeHoffmann · 07-09-2011 12:27PM

REC?

Adamisconfused · 07-09-2011 12:27PM

I'd like to see a completely CGI zombie movie for a change. Preferably based on the Left 4 Dead intro. I'd happily watch a full movie like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nbzyt79iSR0

ScumLord · 07-09-2011 12:28PM

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Agreed, it's the unfortunate need for gore in movies. Much better to just see someone go down under a weight of numbers without all the gut pulling.

More frightening too, imagine being under a pile of people biting and scraping you, the bites not strong enough to do any real fatal damage so your in there until you eventually die or turn.

That said, the idea of a zombie outbreak is pretty much dismissible due to common sense...chances are a hungry dog would take a single zombie in a straight fight.

The traditional bitey zombies couldn't spread the virus fast enough, but if it spread like the common cold we'd all be fudged.

EDIT: Actually that's an other problem with zombie films, how come the people covered in zombie blood don't get infected? You shouldn't be able to hack and slash your way through zombies getting bits of them in your mouth and eyes without becoming infected.

Logical Fallacy · 07-09-2011 12:29PM

LeeHoffmann wrote: »

I guess. I'm only really familiar with the modern zombie films, which seem to be mostly based around virus/disease type scenarios. Usually once a zombie bites a human, the human is doomed. I would have thought the same the other way round?

To my mind it would depend.

If someone is bitten by a zombie and turns zombie then it implies that the infection is causes by something in the saliva, this may not be present in the blood. If it was, every time someone got zombie blood on them they would probably turn zombie if they had any little scraps or cuts or even a freshly squeezed spot.

In my head, if you bite a zombie then all you get is a mouthful of decomposing meat and coagulated blood...but that is dependent on the whole thing being based on zombie biting to pass on whatever the infection is.

More frightening too, imagine being under a pile of people biting and scraping you, the bites not strong enough to do any real fatal damage so your in there until you eventually die or turn.

Exactly. One of my favourite bits of World War Z was the guy in the body armour who gets trapped under all the zombies.

That would be ****ing genuinely nightmarish.

LeeHoffmann · 07-09-2011 12:30PM

if it spread like the common cold we'd all be fudged.

It would be the worst zombie movie ever. No suspense, no attacks, just people sneezing and catching zombie-itis, and it would be all over too quick

ScumLord · 07-09-2011 12:31PM

Bipolar Joe wrote: »

As for decent modern zombie films, Dead Snow was fantastic.

Dead snow was the best example of everything that's wrong with zombie films today.

LeeHoffmann · 07-09-2011 12:32PM

That was the one with the Nazi zombies in Norway wasn't it?

ScumLord · 07-09-2011 12:33PM

LeeHoffmann wrote: »

It would be the worst zombie movie ever. No suspense, no attacks, just people sneezing and catching zombie-itis, and it would be all over too quick

No suspense? You couldn't even feel safe in the same room as someone you know, the zombies would be there in numbers straight away looking to attack you only that they could puke or spit the disease at you. Gore is not suspense.

Logical Fallacy · 07-09-2011 12:37PM

ScumLord wrote: »

No suspense? You couldn't even feel safe in the same room as someone you know, the zombies would be there in numbers straight away looking to attack you only that they could puke or spit the disease at you. Gore is not suspense.

It would be nice to see some kind of blend of a zombie film and the new film Contagion. I'd like to think i could do some damage to a zombie horde...not much i can do against microscopic death.

LeeHoffmann · 07-09-2011 12:38PM

I didn't say gore is suspense. Having a shrieking horde of zombies running after you or banging at your door is. You wouldn't feel safe from a cold but sure you'd turn zombie without ever knowing it. Boring

zuroph · 07-09-2011 12:39PM

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Logical Fallacy · 07-09-2011 12:43PM

LeeHoffmann wrote: »

I didn't say gore is suspense. Having a shrieking horde of zombies running after you or banging at your door is. You wouldn't feel safe from a cold but sure you'd turn zombie without ever knowing it. Boring

Yeah but it's important to think about the main stumbling block of most zombie movies now...the characters will quickly figure out that it is a bite that transfer the disease...if people that were not bitten started to get sick people would just think they were sick and try to help them, so they sadly themselves with these folk that need to be helped only to have them turn into zombies and eat their faces.

How crap is that? Suspense is born from a lack of knowledge...so if you remove that part of the lore you can amp up the suspense for the characters and also the audience.

Bipolar Joe · 07-09-2011 12:52PM

LeeHoffmann wrote: »

REC?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1038988/

07-09-2011 01:00PM

It's very possible that the recently turned will be able to run, because no decay has set in. However as time passes, they'll become the shambling mess that usually gets depicted.

I think the most plausible depiction of life post-outbreak is in the novels Feed and Deadline.

Bipolar Joe · 07-09-2011 01:02PM

Also, the only zombie MMO worth playing:

http://fairview.deadfrontier.com/

LeeHoffmann · 07-09-2011 01:03PM

Yeah but it's important to think about the main stumbling block of most zombie movies now...the characters will quickly figure out that it is a bite that transfer the disease...

In fairness, the characters will figure out whatever is causing the disease. I'm imagining people with flu-like symptoms sitting alone in rooms waiting to turn zombie...maybe it would be better than I'm imagining. You have a good point though about the stumbling block...and I guess this answers the OP - i.e. zombie movies won't die out as long as people keep coming up with new ways to provide suspense/new scenarios/new methods of turning people into zombies

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