DART-Airport Spur From Clongriffin

kilkenny31 · 02-09-2011 05:35PM

D.L.R. wrote: »

Exactly, so its just a waste of time and money 'formalising' what is already common sense.

Hey while we're at it lets have a big expensive consult into a bullet train to Achill Island. :rolleyes:

I tell ye, consultants are Ireland's aristocracy. Waffle sells, and I'm not talking potatoes.

Ye its been Ireland's biggest problem over the last 30 years, no end to the great plans put forward at big meetings with some fancy power point presentations about how great each project is going to be. I tell ya id rather see ten million being spent on a giant inflatable hand than i would on any more plans for projects that make no sense, at least we could all laugh at it!

D.L.R. · 02-09-2011 05:49PM

kilkenny31 wrote: »

Ye its been Ireland's biggest problem over the last 30 years, no end to the great plans put forward at big meetings with some fancy power point presentations about how great each project is going to be. I tell ya id rather see ten million being spent on a giant inflatable hand than i would on any more plans for projects that make no sense, at least we could all laugh at it!

Yeah, write "SLÁN" on it and call it the emigration memorial.

Aard · 03-09-2011 12:38AM

There's so much "smoke and daggers" (to quote again an impeccable statesman) wrt CIE and their proposal. Is it to get funding for a general upgrade? Is it to make DU a necessity? Is it just something to keep people busy? Is it an attack on the RPA?

Maybe it's one of these, or all, or none. But the question remains-- why does ONE decision not just come from on high, that all must abide by? Be it DoT, the proposed Dublin Council, or the NTA. (Have I missed any others?) Instead there's CIE and the RPA (and the NRA while we're at it) tugging mammy's jumper to show her their pretty drawings. Maybe I'm naive and don't understand the internal CIE politics, but it really shouldn't be too difficult to do. Is it really just all about jobs for the boys? Or are we rehashing "The Field" for the umpteenth time...

DWCommuter · 03-09-2011 12:55AM

Aard wrote: »

There's so much "smoke and daggers" (to quote again an impeccable statesman) wrt CIE and their proposal. Is it to get funding for a general upgrade? Is it to make DU a necessity? Is it just something to keep people busy? Is it an attack on the RPA?

Maybe it's one of these, or all, or none. But the question remains-- why does ONE decision not just come from on high, that all must abide by? Be it DoT, the proposed Dublin Council, or the NTA. (Have I missed any others?) Instead there's CIE and the RPA (and the NRA while we're at it) tugging mammy's jumper to show her their pretty drawings. Maybe I'm naive and don't understand the internal CIE politics, but it really shouldn't be too difficult to do. Is it really just all about jobs for the boys? Or are we rehashing "The Field" for the umpteenth time...

A pretty accurate description, but you'll find it hard to float.:D

I remember a bottle of Mi Wadi (or some such cheaper version) in my childhood years. There were no "fizzys", it was bog standard diluted ****ing orange. When money was available, I could dilute as much of this **** as I liked. Drop after drop, tap run after tap run. Result? Well I had well concentrated orange and the future looked bright and sugary. Then the cut backs came. Less concentrate and more water. An even cheaper brand introduced. Result? Well, I could still drink it, but it tasted like ****e. Too much dilution from poor concentrate.

This is Dublin transport. Diluted to the point of doom, when the concentrate was rationed and the brand compromised.

sdanseo · 04-09-2011 03:20AM

Article in the herald yesterday (Friday) claiming Varadakar says it's "entirely possible" that none of the major transport projects will go ahead.

If it pans out that way, he's a lying bastard.

Pete_Cavan · 04-09-2011 01:25PM

sdeire wrote: »

Article in the herald yesterday (Friday) claiming Varadakar says it's "entirely possible" that none of the major transport projects will go ahead.

If it pans out that way, he's a lying bastard.

If we cant afford to proceed with MN or DU then none of the major transport projects should go ahead.

If it pans out that way then I will have more respect for Leo then if he went down the FF route of going ahead with some ill-conceived, unnecessary project just so he can get a few front page photo opportunities (sod turning, ribbon cutting, etc.) and look to be doing something for the sake of looking to be doing something.

D.L.R. · 04-09-2011 01:52PM

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

If we cant afford to proceed with MN or DU then none of the major transport projects should go ahead.

If it pans out that way then I will have more respect for Leo then if he went down the FF route of going ahead with some ill-conceived, unnecessary project just so he can get a few front page photo opportunities (sod turning, ribbon cutting, etc.) and look to be doing something for the sake of looking to be doing something.

+1

That's the original Luas system in a nutshell. Bertie the hero :rolleyes:

cgcsb · 04-09-2011 02:01PM

I don't see anything wrong with building BXD as long as provisions for Metro and Dart are made during the construction.

However, yesterday I seen a shiney new realtime display at the bus stop on Grafton St. which tells me that BXD is not going ahead. Why put it there only to remove it months later?

Judgement Day · 04-09-2011 02:02PM

sdeire wrote: »

Article in the herald yesterday (Friday) claiming Varadakar says it's "entirely possible" that none of the major transport projects will go ahead.

If it pans out that way, he's a lying bastard.

Why anyone would be surprised that FG don't want to spend money on anything is beyond me - a leopard doesn't change its spots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzu1ToAxdFk

D.L.R. · 04-09-2011 02:05PM

cgcsb wrote: »

I don't see anything wrong with building BXD as long as provisions for Metro and Dart are made during the construction.

However, yesterday I seen a shiney new realtime display at the bus stop on Grafton St. which tells me that BXD is not going ahead. Why put it there only to remove it months later?

You are assuming there's joined-up thinking in Ireland, and dialog between different transport companies. That's assuming a lot

Sponge Bob · 04-09-2011 04:37PM

I reckon it is BXD or nothing, and we will see whether the MN station box at O Connell Bridge is included soon enough.

First up is the Marlborough St-Hawkins St Bridge in 2012 because it will be a very useful place to park buses if BXD doesn't go ahead.

D.L.R. · 04-09-2011 06:13PM

Judgement Day wrote: »

Why anyone would be surprised that FG don't want to spend money on anything is beyond me - a leopard doesn't change its spots.

Its wasn't FF's spending of money that was a problem, it was their spending of money on completely useless crap.

That's why the IMF came in, remember? FF weren't to be trusted. Now that they're gone, suddenly the outlook has improved. What a coincidence!

AngryLips · 04-09-2011 06:33PM

The absence of a connection between Luas lines is just an embarrassing and glaring omission in the city's infrastructure that needs to be addressed. It's the most sensible option on the table in the circumstances we're in. That, with integrated ticketing and real-time bus timetables, will be enough to leave us with a transport service that's nothing to be ashamed about. Sure, it's less than perfect, but neither will it compare unfavourable with other cities.

cgcsb · 04-09-2011 06:59PM

when are we expecting the announcement from Leo? Sept 30th?

Pete_Cavan · 04-09-2011 07:00PM

But BXD doesnt even have a Railway Order yet. If ABP have any sense (and there are big question marks over whether they do or not) they will order preparitary work for MN be carried out along with BXD construction if MN is not built at that stage (another big if). In that case, the cost of BXD could be a lot more than is currently projected and it may be unfeasible once the RO is granted.

teol · 04-09-2011 08:15PM

AngryLips wrote: »

The absence of a connection between Luas lines is just an embarrassing and glaring omission in the city's infrastructure that needs to be addressed. It's the most sensible option on the table in the circumstances we're in. That, with integrated ticketing and real-time bus timetables, will be enough to leave us with a transport service that's nothing to be ashamed about. Sure, it's less than perfect, but neither will it compare unfavourable with other cities.

You can now go anywhere in the city from St. Stephans Green Luas stop with Dublin Bus's cross city routes and vice versa from the red line. Most cities rely on connections to get people places. Why does the luas have to deliver people right to their destination?

cgcsb · 04-09-2011 08:44PM

teol wrote: »

You can now go anywhere in the city from St. Stephans Green Luas stop with Dublin Bus's cross city routes and vice versa from the red line. Most cities rely on connections to get people places. Why does the luas have to deliver people right to their destination?

BXD provides that connection. Currently there is no connection. expecting people to get off at the green, wait for a bus, pay an aditional fare and then get off at OCS and walk to Abbey st to get a tram. That would be frustrating, no? and a tad embarrassing when the tourists give it a go

L1011 · 04-09-2011 08:45PM

teol wrote: »

You can now go anywhere in the city from St. Stephans Green Luas stop with Dublin Bus's cross city routes and vice versa from the red line. Most cities rely on connections to get people places. Why does the luas have to deliver people right to their destination?

People are generally unwilling to make more than a very small number of transfers and even less if there's multi-modal involved, and even less again if involves waiting on-street.

sdanseo · 05-09-2011 12:34AM

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

If we cant afford to proceed with MN or DU then none of the major transport projects should go ahead.

If it pans out that way then I will have more respect for Leo then if he went down the FF route of going ahead with some ill-conceived, unnecessary project just so he can get a few front page photo opportunities (sod turning, ribbon cutting, etc.) and look to be doing something for the sake of looking to be doing something.

I'm not nessecarily in favour of proceeding with a DART spur - its usefulness is very questionable given the Northern Line's capacity issues - my point is that the Minister said one of the BXD/MN/DU trio would be built. Now he's on the way to doing a u-turn on that promise. Makes him no better than James Reilly over Roscommon Hospital, etc.

BluntGuy · 05-09-2011 03:36AM

I don't know if he ever said they'd definitely proceed with one, but certainly that was the impression they gave.

I suppose it shouldn't really be a surprise if what's announced instead is a package of "targeted" cycle lanes, "expansion" of the "quality bus corridor network" and other "smaller" stuff.

Wild Bill · 06-09-2011 08:39PM

BluntGuy wrote: »

I don't know if he ever said they'd definitely proceed with one, but certainly that was the impression they gave.

I suppose it shouldn't really be a surprise if what's announced instead is a package of "targeted" cycle lanes, "expansion" of the "quality bus corridor network" and other "smaller" stuff.

Or more likely Leo will announce an art competition on the Luas to celebrate "inclusiveness" or "sustainability".

Something uncontroversial, moronic - and that doesn't cost anything. :cool:

DWCommuter · 06-09-2011 08:55PM

Wild Bill wrote: »

Or more likely Leo will announce an art competition on the Luas to celebrate "inclusiveness" or "sustainability".

Something uncontroversial, moronic - and that doesn't cost anything. :cool:

You are now officially the biggest cynic around here. You have stolen my crown and I applaud you! But you are still right.

Brian CivilEng · 06-09-2011 09:05PM

I can exclusively reveal that the one "big ticket" project being funded by the government is.....

The necessity to include the "Transport for Ireland" logo means that all public transport tickets must now be 5mm longer.

AngryLips · 06-09-2011 09:37PM

It would appear that a majority of people polled favour a Dart spur to the airport

namloc1980 · 06-09-2011 10:37PM

AngryLips wrote: »

It would appear that a majority of people polled favour a Dart spur to the airport

That's because the question is very limited i.e. "What would be the best public transport link to Dublin Airport?". I wonder what the poll would look like if the question was "What would be the best public transport link for Dublin"?

Jayuu · 07-09-2011 10:01AM

namloc1980 wrote: »

That's because the question is very limited i.e. "What would be the best public transport link to Dublin Airport?". I wonder what the poll would look like if the question was "What would be the best public transport link for Dublin"?

In fairness a lot of the comments below the article point out this fact and the fact that the constant mislabelling of Metro North as just an airport link instead of a major piece of the Dublin transport network completely undermines the project.

I was quite heartened by the comments section actually (unless of course all of them are just by boards.ie people posting there as well

).

LXFlyer · 07-09-2011 10:30AM

People do seem to be ignoring the fact that Howth will benefit with an increased service (albeit a shuttle between Howth Junction and Howth during off-peak) of 4 trains an hour every hour rather than the current hotch-potch. The only losers really would be Malahide/Portmarnock, which would lose the DART in off-peak, but if there was a half-hourly diesel that ought to be sufficient.

markpb · 07-09-2011 10:38AM

lxflyer wrote: »

People do seem to be ignoring the fact that Howth will benefit with an increased service (albeit a shuttle between Howth Junction and Howth during off-peak) of 4 trains an hour every hour rather than the current hotch-potch. The only losers really would be Malahide/Portmarnock, which would lose the DART in off-peak, but if there was a half-hourly diesel that ought to be sufficient.

Is the more predicable service to Howth not a side effect of resignalling and a change in service pattern than the the outcome of building a line to the airport?

LXFlyer · 07-09-2011 10:47AM

markpb wrote: »

Is the more predicable service to Howth not a side effect of resignalling and a change in service pattern than the the outcome of building a line to the airport?

Well it's as a result of redirecting the direct services elsewhere (elsewhere being the airport) and implementing a dedicated shuttle on the Howth branch.

cgcsb · 07-09-2011 02:33PM

AngryLips wrote: »

It would appear that a majority of people polled favour a Dart spur to the airport

exactly, this is an exercise in populism, so we'll listen to a newspaper poll rather than 40 years of professional advice.

DART-Airport Spur From Clongriffin

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