How good would the LOI be with a €145,000,000 investment?

RoryMac · 04-09-2011 11:25PM

BOHtox wrote: »

Rovers have had two band wagons in the last 3 years. Each time multipling their previous average crowd. The Tallaght Band wagon and now Europe. Money from this has allowed them to buy quality players and they have a very healty average crowd now.

Bohs, Shels, Rovers, Derry, Cork etc have all spent money and bought quality players. This was not recognised by the Irish 'stooler and left the clubs looking like idiots overspending big time.

Maybe it's attitudes like this that stop some from going to LoI games?

People who start going to games are on the bandwagon and people who don't are bar stoolers.

It would be great to see that type of money in Irish football so that we could have teams produce and hold onto their talent, teams making inroads into Europe on a regular basis the way Copenhagen and Rosenberg before them did.

Mars Bar · 04-09-2011 11:25PM

In an ideal world, I would like to think that clubs would invest most of the money into their youth systems for the future rather than immediately pumping all of it into the first team for the present.

How much will Rovers pump into their youth teams from their EL windfall?

Chucky the tree · 04-09-2011 11:26PM

BOHtox wrote: »

Well look at you Mister glass half full throwing his toys out of the pram.

Why would we do that?
The league has overspent when we hadn't money. Clubs have learnt from this and are now prudent. It didn't happen in England or Scotland when they started getting from TV money, European money and big sponsorship deals.

That's just my take on this theoretical situation. As for it not happening it England or Scotland? huh? Plenty of clubs over there have screwed themselves big time over the years.

BOHtox · 04-09-2011 11:31PM

lordgoat wrote: »

Ehh the standard of football played is terrible. And i unfortunately still go to games for some strange reason.

The match rovers derry match on tv, somehow managed to be a game of soccer as poor as the international game. To develop the game sure you need money, but more importantly you need numbers from a young age combined with good coaching.

Perhaps the stlye of football ain't great but playes like Ronan Finn and Karl Sheppard are. Clubs could buy even better players than these.

RoryMac wrote: »

Maybe it's attitudes like this that stop some from going to LoI games?

People who start going to games are on the bandwagon and people who don't are bar stoolers.

It would be great to see that type of money in Irish football so that we could have teams produce and hold onto their talent, teams making inroads into Europe on a regular basis the way Copenhagen and Rosenberg before them did.

I never said that. A group of people who start supporting a team when they're succesful is a bandwagon. Many people even joked on here about them jumping on the bandwagon as they now support Rovers.
Clutching at straws, mate.

I completely agree with you're second paragraph. Although Copenhagen regularly win their league. I'd hate that to happen in the LOI. I'd like an open league.

mars bar wrote: »

In an ideal world, I would like to think that clubs would invest most of the money into their youth systems for the future rather than immediately pumping all of it into the first team for the present.

How much will Rovers pump into their youth teams from their EL windfall?

AFAIK, their plan is to invest in their facilities at Peamount.

homerjay2005 · 04-09-2011 11:32PM

€884 a trip, lol.

i went to a game last year and match ticket, bus and flights cost me €70 return, i was off the drink in january so i spent f*ck all.

my average is about €150 a game, so where the hell do they get that figure??? madness. going off the fact that their figures are already wrong, you can probably cut that figure of €145million down to about €40million already.

Mars Bar · 04-09-2011 11:34PM

BOHtox wrote: »

AFAIK, their plan is to invest in their facilities at Peamount.

Excellent stuff.

BOHtox · 04-09-2011 11:34PM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

That's just my take on this theoretical situation. As for it not happening it England or Scotland? huh? Plenty of clubs over there have screwed themselves big time over the years.

It has happened you're right....Look at Livingston for example.
But it's definitely in a minority. Other clubs have spent money wisely and invested in young players, like Blackpool. I may have taken your statement too far. It seems I'm the only LOI fan posting in this thread. I'm up against the clock to post a return post so I can see what posts have been made while I posted originally. Confusing right?
So I end up just posting my mind rather than think of an arguement.

BOHtox · 04-09-2011 11:36PM

homerjay2005 wrote: »

€884 a trip, lol.

i went to a game last year and match ticket, bus and flights cost me €70 return, i was off the drink in january so i spent f*ck all.

my average is about €150 a game, so where the hell do they get that figure??? madness. going off the fact that their figures are already wrong, you can probably cut that figure of €145million down to about €40million already.

They probably included the likes of millionaires going over for a week and staying in a ****** star hotel and the likes. Getting a premium ticket etc.

lordgoat · 04-09-2011 11:38PM

BOHtox wrote: »

Perhaps the stlye of football ain't great but playes like Ronan Finn and Karl Sheppard are. Clubs could buy even better players than these.

AFAIK, their plan is to invest in their facilities at Peamount.

While i can accept that, and add a few other names if you look at it as a clinically marketable product the LOI is a long way from being an attraction.

The fight for numbers with GAA and recently rugby also put more pressure on the system.

BOHtox · 04-09-2011 11:40PM

lordgoat wrote: »

While i can accept that, and add a few other names if you look at it as a clinically marketable product the LOI is a long way from being an attraction.

The fight for numbers with GAA and recently rugby also put more pressure on the system.

But with 6.9 million it would be and not just a feeder for the SPL and Championship. It could be sustainablely a great league.

chopperbyrne · 04-09-2011 11:48PM

It would be on a par with other smaller European leagues if everyone who traveled to England to see a match instead went to watch a LOI team, irregardless of the estimated amount they spend.

It'd still be a feeder league to the EPL, but less players would leave to go to lower league English teams.

What LOI teams need to do is get out in their local communities and encourage families to attend by offering good deals. It's all about capturing interest when people are young, so they grow up supporting the team.

Chucky the tree · 04-09-2011 11:48PM

BOHtox wrote: »

It has happened you're right....Look at Livingston for example.
But it's definitely in a minority. Other clubs have spent money wisely and invested in young players, like Blackpool. I may have taken your statement too far. It seems I'm the only LOI fan posting in this thread. I'm up against the clock to post a return post so I can see what posts have been made while I posted originally. Confusing right?
So I end up just posting my mind rather than think of an arguement.

I wouldn't say it's a minority, certainly not in Scotland. Gretna are probably the best one for going bankrupt but nearly ever other major club in Scotland is in big financial pain. Celtic and Rangers have been plodding along and you can see from there diminse in Eureope how much trouble both clubs are in long term. Hearts have been flirting with adminstration for a good numbers of years aswell while I'd say most of the other lcubs are just about getting by.

England is in better shape but there no perfect. Even teams like Blackpool who have spen wisely were relegated so the blue print isn't perfect. I really don't think the money would signify a massive improvement accross the board as running a football club well is extremely difficult.

SantryRed · 04-09-2011 11:54PM

It doesn't say 880 quid a trip. I think that's on average what an Irish person travelling over throughout the year would spend!

Gavin "shels" · 05-09-2011 12:02AM

mars bar wrote: »

A person who spends €800 on a trip to a PL match needs their head fúcking checked.
It can easily be done on €200.

€200 would buy you a season ticket at probably most LoI teams!:rolleyes:

cson wrote: »

Somewhere in the SPL realm I'd imagine.

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D Awh yes, this aul gem. Take Celtic and Rangers away and the top half of the LoI would have no bother fighting it out in the SPL.

chopperbyrne wrote: »

What LOI teams need to do is get out in their local communities and encourage families to attend by offering good deals. It's all about capturing interest when people are young, so they grow up supporting the team.

Easier said than done tbh, look at the likes of Salthill and Mervue, Drom is literally out in the middle of a Quarry where a 25 seater bus struggled to get up to roads while Fahys Field isn't much easier to get to in the middle of an apartment complex.

It worked for Shams out in Tallaght due to them having a shiny new stadium in a mainly untapped area, but they pulled it off brilliantly with good promoting.

Ebbs · 05-09-2011 12:24AM

mars bar wrote: »

How much will Rovers pump into their youth teams from their EL windfall?

Just got a 100 year lease for their youth facilities, just applied for more planning permission, just opened a ladies team, etc etc.

As for the mass EPL hysteria in this thread, jesus. If you dont like the debate stay out of the thread. The OP wasnt in any way condescending towards the EPL yet you feel the need to get so defensive. Its truely amazing.

Year on year if that sort of money was spent on the league and local tourism it would still increase sponsorship and the likes. I think it would have a profound effect. Even a 1/4 of the money spent on LoI games/merchandise would have a positive effect. Attendances are everything.

We'd certainly have a better national side, better facilities around the country and a better standard league.

chopperbyrne · 05-09-2011 12:29AM

Obviously some teams will struggle due to their location. Ballybofey isn't the easiest to get to either, but some teams should be able to get far bigger crowds than they do with a bit of decent promotion.

plasmaguy · 05-09-2011 12:33AM

(a) I'm sure at least half those fans also attend LOI games and spend money here.

(b) We live in a democracy where people are free to do what they want, when they want. While it may not be ideal people go abroad to watch football, good luck to them.

(c) There aren't enough fans in Ireland to ensure LOI clubs have big followings and can make big money signings. Some tried to live outside of their means in the past and almost went bust.

(d) At the average EPL match, Irish fans probably make up 2 or 3% of the total number of fans. Even if they stayed in Ireland, they wouldn't be large numbers.

(e) Fans would probably spend 20 euro max to attend a LOI match.

Ebbs · 05-09-2011 12:37AM

plasmaguy wrote: »

(b) We live in a democray

Seriously? I dont think anyone is implying a police state. All airplanes aimed at tallaght stadium, tolka, dalyer... Its a hypothetical question.

plasmaguy · 05-09-2011 12:48AM

Ebbs wrote: »

Seriously? I dont think anyone is implying a police state. All airplanes aimed at tallaght stadium, tolka, dalyer... Its a hypothetical question.

It's all academic to be honest.

Irish people spend hundreds of millions going to Cheltenham and other British race meets, as well as betting on English races.

Everyone knows the LOI product is not as good as the EPL product and never will be for obvious reasons around resources unless of course LOI teams can attract oil sheiks to buy them out.

But such oil sheiks would more than likely prefer to spend their time in London than in some LOI town!

Richard Hillman · 05-09-2011 01:06AM

Interesting article. Hoepfully ths thread doesnt get shut down by a trigger happy mod because people cant stick to the subject :rolleyes:

The fee's are very interesting and its something the government need to address. There is no way we can keep all of the 140 million in the economy but we need to tackle the issue. A fee around 50 million make a huge difference if handed to the clubs and marketing department in the LOI. I think we should relax rules for non E.U players as well and turn Ireland into something like Belgium is and let top players begin their European careers here with loanees from big clubs and the best young players from South America and Africa too trying to get European work permits. With a massively improved league and facilities, i would imagine it would turn peoples heads a bit more. Improved money from UEFA prize money and transfer fee's to LOI clubs for the non EU players could well be worth 50 million to the country. Added to all of that it would be good for the economy for local businesses around the clubs and advertising marketing and less people traveling abroad to see high level football.

In terms of the Cheltenham Festival, i think that is just bone idleness from politicians that they havnt even tried to address it. People from Ireland flock to cheltenham because they have the best jumps horses on show and the prestige of the Gold Cup. Owners, trainers and jockeys go there because of the huge prize money and the prestige of some races. We should go head to head with Cheltenham and have a race festival here at the same time with vastly superior prize money. The owners and trainers would send their horses here and thousands of Irish wont bother going to 2nd rate horse racing at Cheltenham. We might even get a good few tourists.

OPENROAD · 05-09-2011 01:11AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

In terms of the Cheltenham Festival, i think that is just bone idleness from politicians that they havnt even tried to address it. People from Ireland flock to cheltenham because they have the best jumps horses on show and the prestige of the Gold Cup. Owners, trainers and jockeys go there because of the huge prize money and the prestige of some races. We should go head to head with Cheltenham and have a race festival here at the same time with vastly superior prize money. The owners and trainers would send their horses here and thousands of Irish wont bother going to 2nd rate horse racing at Cheltenham. We might even get a good few tourists.

Are you serious?

What about Punchestown anyway?

niallo27 · 05-09-2011 01:14AM

At the end of the day its my money and Ill spend it where ever the **** i want.

Richard Hillman · 05-09-2011 01:21AM

OPENROAD wrote: »

Are you serious?

What about Punchestown anyway?

Keep the Punchestown festival as it is, maybe push it back a bit. Hold a new festival in Leopardstown (with much improved facilities) during Cheltenham. The owners and trainers will bring their best horses here instead if the prize money was much larger than Cheltenham. The prestige of Cheltenham is nice but the Owners, Trainers and jockeys would rank the money over it.

applehunter · 05-09-2011 01:25AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Keep the Punchestown festival as it is, maybe push it back a bit. Hold a new festival in Leopardstown (with much improved facilities) during Cheltenham. The owners and trainers will bring their best horses here instead if the prize money was much larger than Cheltenham. The prestige of Cheltenham is nice but the Owners, Trainers and jockeys would rank the money over it.

Oh Dear God.

applehunter · 05-09-2011 01:26AM

niallo27 wrote: »

At the end of the day its my money and Ill spend it where ever the **** i want.

No you ****ing wont.

Richard Hillman · 05-09-2011 01:30AM

applehunter wrote: »

Oh Dear God.

Lazy post

Chucky the tree · 05-09-2011 01:33AM

Why would you ever want to set up a race meet and directly compete with Cheltnam? Why not hold it another time weekend and just clean up then?

applehunter · 05-09-2011 01:34AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Lazy post

It was my natural reaction to your suggestion.

Richard Hillman · 05-09-2011 01:36AM

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Why would you ever want to set up a race meet and directly compete with Cheltnam? Why not hold it another time weekend and just clean up then?

Because over 10,000 people are leaving in Ireland that week, with nearly everyone of them spending over a grand each. Thats what the thread is about. People leaving Ireland to see sporting events in Britain and spending hundreds of millions.

plasmaguy · 05-09-2011 01:38AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Because over 10,000 people are leaving in Ireland that week, with nearly everyone of them spending over a grand each. Thats what the thread is about. People leaving Ireland to see sporting events in Britain and spending hundreds of millions.

And because we live in a free country they can't and shouldn't be stopped.

The only way to keep them is if the LOI product was comparable to the EPL product and it never will be.

Many people would prefer to watch Rooney, Silva, Suarez and so on in the flesh, and it's hard to blame them to be honest.

A lot of LOI football isn't pretty to watch.

I do think however, the FAI should hold a couple of double header LOI games in the Aviva stadium, it might help improve the attraction, make it a family day out, pre match concert, etc.

How good would the LOI be with a €145,000,000 investment?

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