How good would the LOI be with a €145,000,000 investment?

Your Airbag

WindmillWarrior wrote: »

Oh dear is right. As with most of your posts on this thread, you're going a bit OTT again mate! I think the point I made is fair enough. As for the rest of your hyperbole, I think I'll leave that to born2bwild!!

Oh the irony.

WindmillWarrior

How far from Limerick I wonder. Not having a go, but I know some Drogs fans who travel to Drogheda for home games from all over the shop - from mid Louth, from North County Dublin and from as far away in Meath as Navan. We even have lads who come down from Portadown! (we made some great friendships with Portadown fans during our Setanta cup days)

EDIT: Now that I think of it, we also have some regulars who come over from Manchester (City and United and FC United fans!). Also a big group of lads who come from Birmingham now and again (fans of all the cities different clubs). They all love the LOI. They think its "raw"!! They love the terracing, they love the atmosphere - the whole thing reminds them of how the EPL used to be, and not the sterile experience it has become.

Boskowski

That's silly maths to begin with if I understand this correctly.
I mean you can't say what if each LOI club would get 7m. Cos it's total spend. Not bloody gates.
That includes probably flights/ferry, accommodation, food, pub everything. It's 145m injected into the UK economy but not 145m injected into PL clubs.

gimmick

I love these threads.

You can put all the investment you want into the LOI, but it will still be shíte given who are running it. Further proof seen in the most recent screw up regarding Monaghan and Harps.

but anyway, anyone who doesn't support LOI is evil.

Peace out.

celtictiger32

As an aside, there are too many people like you who are miles from a LOI club. The league definitely needs to be expanded.

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agree 100% clare being exhibit a, the kerry leagues always have a strong representation in te cups too. didnt want to use england as an example given the topic but i do think the model they use of the whole ladder system i.e. a team can work its way from bottom to top (with certain criteria obviously) if they keep gaining promotion is a good one. i know several clubs who have been applying to the LOI for years with no joy, and at the same time clubs dissolving but what do they expect when they manufacture clubs out of nothing and plump them straight into the LOI, no history no tradition no suport!.

in addition i do think obvious and best way for expansion and the way forward is an all ireland league but thats for another thread.

WindmillWarrior

gimmick wrote: »

I love these threads.

You can put all the investment you want into the LOI, but it will still be shíte given who are running it. Further proof seen in the most recent screw up regarding Monaghan and Harps.

but anyway, anyone who doesn't support LOI is evil.

Peace out.

And I love these posts :rolleyes:

The LOI is not sh*te! We all know its not the best league in the world, but its far from the worst either.

BOHtox

Boskowski wrote: »

That's silly maths to begin with if I understand this correctly.
I mean you can't say what if each LOI club would get 7m. Cos it's total spend. Not bloody gates.
That includes probably flights/ferry, accommodation, food, pub everything. It's 145m injected into the UK economy but not 145m injected into PL clubs.

Look who decides to butt in well into a thread with an input that's already been discussed for the first half a dozen or so pages.

gimmick

WindmillWarrior wrote: »

And I love these posts :rolleyes:

The LOI is not sh*te! We all know its not the best league in the world, but its far from the worst either.

It is shíte. As long as it is administrated as badly as it is, it will always be shíte. No amount of money will change that.

BOHtox

gimmick wrote: »

It is shíte. As long as it is administrated as badly as it is, it will always be shíte. No amount of money will change that.

Quite frankly I find that shallow and pedantic.

gimmick

How so?

Many clubs in the last deacde or so have tried to make strides forward, only to stall and regress. Shels, CCFC, Drogs, Bohs to name but a few.

In this same timeframe, how many teams have gone bust and disappeared? How many points deductions have we seen in the last few years? What about the 65% rule which the FAI introduced? The amount of failure that the FAI are rsponsible for in the league is criminal.

To use CCFC as an example, we were docked 10 points toward the end of a season which changed our position from 3rd to 4th because of examinership. It made no difference whatsoever as we were not going to be allowed compete in Europe anyway. They then dithered and dallied until 11 days before the next season started to decide to demote us. Now I am not arguing with the deduction as it was deserved, but it should have been a bit more harsh. Then we had 10 days to put together a new squad after demotion.

Look at Harps Monaghan. Harps fielded a suspended player, so they are rightly being docked their point from the match. That should be it, but no, Monaghan are getting an extra 2 points. That is not in the motherfúcking rulebook.

Its the constant head scratching shíte which brings all the negativity to the league is the reason why non supporters wouldn't touch it and why life long supporters are left with our head in our hands again after the latest questionable decision made.

FFS, all league matches moved to avoid clashing with the glamour tie of NI Vs Wales in the Carling Nations Cup. What moron decided that was a good idea? Only something as daft as that could happen in the LOI.

ShooterSF

popzmaster wrote: »

€149 - Go to one match (and this is considered cheap)
€100 - Go to 18 matches

Easy choice for people who like going to football matches

I'll only charge you €2 per game to come see me and my mates playing football. That's €36 for 18 matches versus €100.

As you said, "Easy choice for people who like going to football matches"

premierstone

BOHtox wrote: »

Quite frankly I find that shallow and pedantic.

You might want to look up both words so, how to fcuk is what he sadi shallow or pedantic.

Whether you agree or not with what he said its is certainly neither of those.

Personally I dont attend LOI games anymore, did when I lived in Dublin used to attend a number of Bohs games and anytime Derry were playing in Dublin I made an effort to see them, but as a previous poster alluded to , I now live in North Tipp and there is no LOI club that I would have any affinity or allegiance to, I attend most of my local junior clubs games on a Sunday morning when it doesnt clash with GAA, and I also attend parkhead a few times a year so according to all the die in the wool LOI fans Im a barstooler who knows fcuk all about ''real football'' :rolleyes: its patethic tbh :mad:

gimmick

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die in the wool LOI fans Im a barstooler who knows fcuk all about ''real football'' its patethic tbh

Generally you will find that LOI fans who trot that line out get to and from games in a sunshine bus.

Boskowski

BOHtox wrote: »

Look who decides to butt in well into a thread with an input that's already been discussed for the first half a dozen or so pages.

Obviously didn't read all of it, fair enough all the same.

CSF

Beefy78 wrote: »

Maybe football supporters in Ireland are very different to football supporters where I grew up, but where I'm from you don't choose to support a Club. It's not a rational decision any more than you choose who you fall in love with. It's a passion and it just happens.

Ah here, get out of that ****e.

BOHtox

premierstone wrote: »

You might want to look up both words so, how to fcuk is what he sadi shallow or pedantic.

Whether you agree or not with what he said its is certainly neither of those.

Personally I dont attend LOI games anymore, did when I lived in Dublin used to attend a number of Bohs games and anytime Derry were playing in Dublin I made an effort to see them, but as a previous poster alluded to , I now live in North Tipp and there is no LOI club that I would have any affinity or allegiance to, I attend most of my local junior clubs games on a Sunday morning when it doesnt clash with GAA, and I also attend parkhead a few times a year so according to all the die in the wool LOI fans Im a barstooler who knows fcuk all about ''real football'' :rolleyes: its patethic tbh :mad:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qLFJuCCMpM

born2bwild

Your Airbag wrote: »

What games have you been watching? I hve seen hundreds of fantastic games between Sky, ITV, Setanta and BBC. I guess people only mention one side of the story whether it be good or bad when it backs up their argument.

Take your blinkers off. There is much entertainment to be had on Sky.

I have seen lots of entertaining games on Sky, too.

born2bwild

Chucky the tree wrote: »

If you love and enjoy something you want to see it performed by the very best for the most part. You won't see that happen in the LOI.

Ah, well, we'll just have to agree to differ, me owl matey.

AgileMyth

Chucky the tree wrote: »

No one supports Ireland for the good quality football, we do it because we support them.

I do it because I'm from Ireland and therefore have a connection with the team, I'm sure you do too. I support Sligo Rovers because I'm from Sligo and therefore have a connection with the team.

If you were going to just pick a team from hundreds of miles away you should at least have picked a decent one, then your 'superior product' argument might hold up :pac:

Raskolnikov

Gavin shels wrote: »

Shamrock Rovers are in the Group Stages of the Europa League, they knocked out Partizan Belgrade who were in the Champions League group stages last season. *washes mouth out*.

Oh, was that the year they won the Champions League too?

celtictiger32

Raskolnikov wrote: »

Oh, was that the year they won the Champions League too?

Tiocfaidh Armani

While the OP is off the mark slightly it does raise the debate that the LOI needs investment. The FAI are the custodians of the game and their CEO earns more per annum than they award every club in prize money COMBINED! They advised us they were coming into a TV bonanza from UEFA with the new TV money allocation for ‘smaller’ countries. Yet months before they more than halved the prize money for our already struggling clubs and there’s no sign of that being reversed despite the TV money windfall

I support Celtic always have done since I was a boy, I was brought up to but I also brought up to support Shels and there’s nothing stopping people from supporting their own league but the league is held in such low esteem by the Irish public. The GAA look after their game, they attract sponsors and invest 85% of the money they make directly back into the game and market their championship the max that the same old set-up every year attracts the masses. The IRFU much the same are dragging a game that was seen for the private schooled ‘elites’ into the 21st century and have aggressively marketed the game to the masses and it’s paid off. What are the FAI doing except slashing much needed funds from already struggling clubs to promote the league and to market it to the masses? Absolutely nothing.

We won’t get outside investment until the custodians of the game invest nothing and stop treating it with distain.

stovelid

gimmick wrote: »

It is shíte. As long as it is administrated as badly as it is, it will always be shíte. No amount of money will change that.

One or two posters (that I like) on here that support LOI but nearly go out of their way to put people off going.

And they seem to either support Cork or Shels: coincidentally two clubs that are currently languishing below their station in the first division after taking their medicine for mismanagement - like many other clubs did but just got on with it.

Almost like you all want to spread your gripes with the league and FAI around to the extent of actively putting off new people going to games.

We know the league has its problems but if you keep going to games then maybe somebody else might just go along too with a little encouragement.

Tiocfaidh Armani

stovelid wrote: »

One or two posters (that I like) on here that support LOI but nearly go out of their way to put people off going.

And they seem to either support Cork or Shels: coincidentally two clubs that are currently languishing below their station in the first division after taking their medicine for mismanagement - like many other clubs did but just got on with it.

Almost like you all want to spread your gripes with the league and FAI around to the extent of actively putting off new people going to games.

We know the league has its problems but if you keep going to games then maybe somebody else might just go along too with a little encouragement.

It’s something I’ve said before. I say it on foot.ie even about a lot of LOI fans who berate and lecture other people and actually talk down to them like they know nothing simply because they’ve been raised to support a foreign team, usually by their parents, will only turn people off the league. People can support who they like but people should be encouraged to support their local team on a Friday night.

The culture in Ireland is for support of the EPL, it's just how it is, what we have to do is get as many folk as we know to give the LOI a chance also.

Tiocfaidh Armani

gimmick wrote: »

It is shíte. As long as it is administrated as badly as it is, it will always be shíte. No amount of money will change that.

I agree to an extent but outside investment that clubs can invest in improving would go a long way to changing attitudes to the league. Rovers have a nice new stadium and look how much their crowds have increased. People in the modern age won't accept crap heaps like Dalymount anymore, it makes the league look archaic.

The FAI certainly don't help though. An aggressive marketing campaign would help, but they don't care enough to do something like that, there's nothing in it for them.

CSF

stovelid wrote: »

One or two posters (that I like) on here that support LOI but nearly go out of their way to put people off going.

And they seem to either support Cork or Shels: coincidentally two clubs that are currently languishing below their station in the first division after taking their medicine for mismanagement - like many other clubs did but just got on with it.

Almost like you all want to spread your gripes with the league and FAI around to the extent of actively putting off new people going to games.

We know the league has its problems but if you keep going to games then maybe somebody else might just go along too with a little encouragement.

I do not subscribe to the idea that anyone could be actually (not just use it as an excuse) put off going to a football game because they don't like the things someone says on an internet forum.

stovelid

CSF wrote: »

I do not subscribe to the idea that anyone could be actually (not just use it as an excuse) put off going to a football game because they don't like the things someone says on an internet forum.

Nor do I.

As you know.

Le King

Started attending some Pats games over the last couple of weeks and I have loved it so far. Does that make me half a 'pathetic' barstooler? Just a quick question to settle an arguement.

stovelid

Le King wrote: »

Started attending some Pats games over the last couple of weeks and I have loved it so far. Does that make me half a 'pathetic' barstooler? Just a quick question to settle an arguement.

Nope.

Welcome and more the merrier.

It would be great if you started going regularly.

Being nuts about a local team and supporting an EPL (or other) team (on TV or otherwise) is not mutually exclusive.

BOHtox

Le King wrote: »

Started attending some Pats games over the last couple of weeks and I have loved it so far. Does that make me half a 'pathetic' barstooler? Just a quick question to settle an arguement.

What i found is that once you start going you will want more and more. Eventually you will start to lose interest with English football as you feel closer to your LOI team, that's not a stab at anyone either btw, now I'm starting to like the EPL again. I don't support anyone but like I like Wigan, they're a small club punching above their weight.

Anyway, hope you keep supporting the LOI.