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Would you care if your friend told you they used escorts/prositutes

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    #182
    AskMyChocolate
    Registered Users Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭AskMyChocolate


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    As human beings, the act of having sex is far more intimate and involves a lot more in the line of laying yourself bare (excuse the pun) then the act of cleaning a toilet :confused:

    How is this beyond you?
    Sex is an intimate act, cleaning is not!
    Respect your body!

    How is getting down on my hands and knees to clean your toilet for a slave wage respecting either myself or my body?

    Having sex for financial gain is not an intimate act.

    How is this beyond you?


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    #183
    Nulty
    Registered Users Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    There is a difference there between someone sleeping with a "partner" and someone sleeping with random strangers for money!!! BIG difference. So yes it is different.

    And why wouldnt you date a girl that was sleeping with other guys?
    Honestly think about it. If sex is just a transaction that means so little that people pay / accept money for it, then why would it matter to you?
    Would it in that case not be like having a girlfriend that "chose" to go to MacDonalds for a BigMac every now and then? :D

    (sorry but I had to put that one in... how ridiculous!)

    Nice one :D

    Ok, I admit I don't fully understand what sex with a prostitute would actually entail...Maybe it's more like a Bacon Double Cheese burger.


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    #184
    Mickeroo
    Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,147 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    Im not going to enter the argument of what suffices as a "need" to use a prostitute or not, but anyway...

    Choosing a BigMac is NOT remotely the same as choosing to pay a woman for sex. You can go get yourself a burger without needing someone else to help you eat it.
    And as for people using prostitutes as a luxury- can you not see how this idea in itself just de-humanises the prostitutes?
    There's a difference between being human and being an animal.
    Using someone elses body for self gratification with no consideration to their feelings on / during the act is animalistic IMO.

    Well for a start, a big mac is a lot worse for you than a prostitute even if you use protection :pac:

    Provided the prostitute has chosen that occupation of their own free will then I don't see how it can possibly dehumanise them. There's no need to consider their feelings either no more than they consider the customer's as since they're there of their own free will it's fairly obvious they don't mind doing it and pocketing their fee either.


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    #185
    Dangerous Man
    Registered Users Posts: 2,674 ✭✭✭Dangerous Man


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    There is a difference there between someone sleeping with a "partner" and someone sleeping with random strangers for money!!! BIG difference. So yes it is different.

    And why wouldnt you date a girl that was sleeping with other guys?
    Honestly think about it. If sex is just a transaction that means so little that people pay / accept money for it, then why would it matter to you?
    Would it in that case not be like having a girlfriend that "chose" to go to MacDonalds for a BigMac every now and then?     :D

    (sorry but I had to put that one in... how ridiculous!)

    And guess what? None of the above is any of your fucking business. None of it.


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    #186
    Nulty
    Registered Users Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    Plus, as above, every prostitute you or anyone else uses is sleeping with other men, so why is it acceptable in that regard? :confused:

    Emotional attachment.


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    #187
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    pablomakaveli wrote: »
    People who have one night stands are basically doing this as well. Would you criticise them too.

    How can you even ask this???

    Think about it!!

    The person having a 1-night stand isnt paying the other person to do something they may not want to do in the least but do for the money.

    In a 1-night stand situation, BOTH people involved want to do what they are doing, they do not want money.


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    #188
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    The fact of the matter is that Prostitutions has been around for thousands of years, and will never go away.

    Now isn't it better to make it legal where it can be controlled and maintained by the Government and business'.

    I'll be doing this from the Australian and U.S. system.

    For the Prostitute:
    1) They able to work in an actual place of business (a brothel). Here there are security, doormen, and CCTV.
    2) Health and Safety. Protection can be enforced by the brothel. All employees must pass STI tests. Clients can be refused if they seem dangerous, dirty, drunk etc. Employees themselves would also have to be clean.
    3) It's a safer business. Greatly reduces the chances of assault, abuse and rape. Can also be used to ensure all the employees are of legal age.
    4) They pay tax, which goes to the Government etc (self-explanatory)
    5) In the event they are assaulted. It will actually be reported and handled properly, instead of being ignored like it is now.

    For the Client:
    1) Greatly lowers the chance of catching an STI.
    2) Greatly lowers the chance of getting robbed/assaulted.
    3) No hassle, no lawbreaking.

    This system is proven to be affective and far safer.

    Now obviously some people object to it. And that's fair enough. Some people think the idea of paying for sex is wrong, some people here seem to think that even having casual sex is wrong. But hey, if you don't like it. Don't get involved with it.

    However a system likes this is what ensures the safety of all those involved.


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    #189
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    AskMyChocolate wrote: »
    Having sex for financial gain is not an intimate act.

    How is this beyond you?

    Its not.
    I totally agree, thats why I dont like it


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    #190
    Nulty
    Registered Users Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    How can you even ask this???

    Think about it!!

    The person having a 1-night stand isnt paying the other person to do something they may not want to do in the least but do for the money.

    In a 1-night stand situation, BOTH people involved want to do what they are doing, they do not want money.

    So it's the money that is bothering you? I'll pay you double. :pac:


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    #191
    Nulty
    Registered Users Posts: 7,838 ✭✭✭Nulty


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    Its not.
    I totally agree, thats why I dont like it

    Why do you care if other people do it then?


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    #192
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    There's no need to consider their feelings either no more than they consider the customer's as since they're there of their own free will it's fairly obvious they don't mind doing it and pocketing their fee either.

    Over time it has the HUGE possibility to wear them down emotionally.
    Lower their self esteem, affect their sense of self worth, not to mention the other risks.


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    #193
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    Over time it has the HUGE possibility to wear them down emotionally.
    Lower their self esteem, affect their sense of self worth, not to mention the other risks.

    Read my last post.

    If it was legal and they worked for an actual company (like in Oz/US) they can quit.


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    #194
    Mickeroo
    Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,147 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    Over time it has the HUGE possibility to wear them down emotionally.
    Lower their self esteem, affect their sense of self worth, not to mention the other risks.

    Meh, that's potentially true of any job.


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    #195
    epgc3fyqirnbsx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,228 ✭✭✭epgc3fyqirnbsx


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    Over time it has the HUGE possibility to wear them down emotionally.
    Lower their self esteem, affect their sense of self worth, not to mention the other risks.

    As does any job...
    And then it again it can do the opposite and oay them well and make them feek empowered.
    Prohibition solves nothing


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    #196
    pablomakaveli
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭pablomakaveli


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    How can you even ask this???

    Think about it!!

    The person having a 1-night stand isnt paying the other person to do something they may not want to do in the least but do for the money.

    In a 1-night stand situation, BOTH people involved want to do what they are doing, they do not want money.

    You said this
    Using someone elses body for self gratification with no consideration to their feelings on / during the act is animalistic IMO.

    A lot of one night stands can be viewed that way. A guy/girl goes out, find someone to sleep with purely for the pleasure of it and then they go on their merry way with no thought for the other person.

    Just because money is involved doesnt change things much. People often sleep with others for trivial reasons like people who will sleep with someone famous or powerful even if they dont find them attractive. It's a fact of life.


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    #197
    Bipolar Joe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    Its not.
    I totally agree, thats why I dont like it

    OK, I've got you sussed. You're a douche.

    Sex and affection is a mental need. Do you think less of me because I go to therapy a few times a week because it's a mental need?


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    #198
    AskMyChocolate
    Registered Users Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭AskMyChocolate


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    There is a difference there between someone sleeping with a "partner" and someone sleeping with random strangers for money!!! BIG difference. So yes it is different.

    And why wouldnt you date a girl that was sleeping with other guys?
    Honestly think about it. If sex is just a transaction that means so little that people pay / accept money for it, then why would it matter to you?
    Would it in that case not be like having a girlfriend that "chose" to go to MacDonalds for a BigMac every now and then? :D

    (sorry but I had to put that one in... how ridiculous!)

    My God. Your analogy not only doesn't fit, but actually underlines the argument that others are making, and you can't even see it. You are incapable of rational thought and you are accusing other people of being ridiculous!:eek:

    The correct analogy would be if your girlfriend/boyfriend was working in MacDonald's. In this case would you feel any jealousy, would it bother you, that she is cooking for somebody else , as cooking somebody dinner is a very social/romantic/intimate thing to do. The answer,obviously, is no as he/she is doing it to earn a living and feels no attachment to the customer.

    If he/she was doing it for another man/woman on a social basis, this would be a far bigger issue and might constitute cheating, especially if the person was doing it behind your back.

    The same rationale applies equally to prostitution. If I was going out with a prostitute/porn star, I knew what they did for a living and I made my choice. There is no cheating involved. If that person however sleeps with somebody else, behind my back, where there is no money involved, then that it is an act of intimacy and is cheating. Can you not see this?


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    #199
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    Nulty wrote: »
    Emotional attachment.

    Exactly.
    Thats what it should be like, there should be some shared emotion when 2 people have sex. The way I see it anyway.

    Emotions develop through sex too, so when they dont it can often leave people feeling empty. Prostitutes are just like everyone else, and im sure they often are left feeling empty too, after intimate acts they dont really have their heart in, with people they dont remotely know.
    It can be damaging.


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    #200
    lagente
    Registered Users Posts: 137 ✭✭lagente


    Don't have sex with people you don't know. Simple as.
    And kids easily come from sex, . . .. . . . .i think some people forget that a lot of the time.


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    #201
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    Exactly.
    Thats what it should be like, there should be some shared emotion when 2 people have sex. The way I see it anyway.

    I believe you're still living in the 1920's.

    Believe it or not. Sex isn't always about emotions and love.

    Sometimes it's just a shag.


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    #202
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    Mickeroo wrote: »
    Meh, that's potentially true of any job.

    Only if they are being treated unfairly in their job...!!


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    #203
    epgc3fyqirnbsx
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,228 ✭✭✭epgc3fyqirnbsx


    Or feel free to do what you like as long as you know you aren't hurting anyone.
    Words to live by imo


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    #204
    Raze_them_all
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,477 ✭✭✭✭Raze_them_all


    lagente wrote: »
    Don't have sex with people you don't know. Simple as.
    And kids easily come from sex, . . .. . . . .i think some people forget that a lot of the time.
    sperm doesn't live long passed the tonsils.


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    #205
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    pablomakaveli wrote: »
    You said this



    A lot of one night stands can be viewed that way. A guy/girl goes out, find someone to sleep with purely for the pleasure of it and then they go on their merry way with no thought for the other person.

    Just because money is involved doesnt change things much. People often sleep with others for trivial reasons like people who will sleep with someone famous or powerful even if they dont find them attractive. It's a fact of life.

    Yes, but they KNOW that if they are having sex with them, its because they WANT TO, whatever their reason for wanting to is doesnt matter.

    This is the point here!!

    And you might say a prostitute wants to have the sex they have too, but they dont. They want the money.

    Having sex and not enjoying it, time and time and time again, is surely going to be damaging to someone.


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    #206
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    Yes, but they KNOW that if they are having sex with them, its because they WANT TO, whatever their reason for wanting to is doesnt matter.

    This is the point here!!

    And you might say a prostitute wants to have the sex they have too, but they dont. They want the money.

    Having sex and not enjoying it, time and time and time again, is surely going to be damaging to someone.

    I take it as you've never worked in a Call Centre's Customer Service department.
    Now that's a fúcking job that's bad for mental health!

    (I'm quite upset no-one seems to have acknowledged my rather long post on the last page :( )


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    #207
    Mickeroo
    Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,147 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    Only if they are being treated unfairly in their job...!!

    Not really, someone might just find their job extremely unfulfilling, monotonous or demeaning without being treated unfairly at all.


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    #208
    evry1sm8
    Closed Accounts Posts: 284 ✭✭evry1sm8


    Bipolar Joe wrote: »
    OK, I've got you sussed. You're a douche.

    Sex and affection is a mental need. Do you think less of me because I go to therapy a few times a week because it's a mental need?

    I'm a counsellor- so no!!!! :confused:

    Your therapist isnt degrading themself to give you that service though, are they?


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    #209
    Mickeroo
    Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,147 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    Yes, but they KNOW that if they are having sex with them, its because they WANT TO, whatever their reason for wanting to is doesnt matter.

    This is the point here!!

    And you might say a prostitute wants to have the sex they have too, but they dont. They want the money.

    Having sex and not enjoying it, time and time and time again, is surely going to be damaging to someone.

    That's a lot of assumptions you're making there.You're just tarring everyone with the one brush, everyone is different, whats damaging to one person might not be damaging to another, some probably do enjoy it from time to time too, they're only human after all.


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    #210
    Jesus Wept
    Registered Users Posts: 25,243 ✭✭✭✭Jesus Wept


    The King of Moo wrote: »
    I might laugh a little.

    They could have got it for free!

    There's always a price.
    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    If one of my mates spent 100 quid on a hooker i'd give him a fistpump. If he spent 100 quid on his missus i'd give him abuse.

    How much for a fistpump?
    evry1sm8 wrote: »

    Your therapist isnt degrading themself to give you that service though, are they?

    Maybe he feels that he is. His dream job could be to be cleaning toilets or to be a sex worker.


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    #211
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users Posts: 8,239 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    evry1sm8 wrote: »
    I'm a counsellor- so no!!!! :confused:

    Your therapist isnt degrading themself to give you that service though, are they?

    Ah so it's okay for you to provide one service that people need. But not okay for someone else you don't know and will probably never ever ever interact with to provide a service you don't like.

    I see.


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