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5live · 29-08-2011 08:30PM

milkprofit wrote: »

Whelan 1
Make sure filter is before plate cooler
keep filter in when washing no saw dust should get to plate cooler

Had an argument at the last discussion meting about that. I always leave it on but the advisor had a fit giving out about thermoduric and TBC and everything else. I only rip the cooler every year when dry, more to keep myself happy than to actually clean it. But i didnt know there was an air inlet (or is that only in 2 stage plate coolers)

Cran · 29-08-2011 10:45PM

johngalway wrote: »

They got two rounds of Panacur SC this Summer which is white. Wouldn't mind but I'd planned to do FEC's this year but kept putting them on the long finger :rolleyes: Not testing the dung, will see how the lambs do for a bit, if I can get shot of them if they put a bit more condition on I will. So much for getting them away early this year Agree with you about leaving the testing until next year really, bit late now.

I dosed the lambs on the out farm this year early with panacur and the ones on the home farm with yellow as a simple test. Bit paranoid as had used ivermectin dose last two years and should be rotating. Lambs on yellow thrived excellent, others just didn't looks like I have white resistence. long term is to be able to do FEC on farm, just need to get time to learn how

johngalway · 29-08-2011 10:56PM

Cran wrote: »

I dosed the lambs on the out farm this year early with panacur and the ones on the home farm with yellow as a simple test. Bit paranoid as had used ivermectin dose last two years and should be rotating. Lambs on yellow thrived excellent, others just didn't looks like I have white resistence. long term is to be able to do FEC on farm, just need to get time to learn how

Our vet will send the samples off for €6 a time. Thought about getting a kit, then thought better of it

LostCovey · 29-08-2011 11:08PM

johngalway wrote: »

Our vet will send the samples off for €6 a time. Thought about getting a kit, then thought better of it

Its not hard, the dear bit is the microscope.

Keep an eye out for the LIDL ones, they are perfect.

LC

LostCovey · 29-08-2011 11:12PM

johngalway wrote: »

Trip to the vet this morning. Lambs have been in decent grass and getting fed but not thriving. Some scoury, all had been dosed twice. Brought some dung samples and told the tale. Left with Zolvix, he suspects resistance. Not what I wanted to hear, but what I expected, cold comfort being right!

This sounds very odd.

Isn't Zolvix meant to be a last resort when you have resistance established to all three of the traditional wormer groups - the white yellow and clear doses??????

What had you been dosing them with that made him jump you straight to Zolvix?

LC

LostCovey · 29-08-2011 11:17PM

Cran wrote: »

would be worth testing for resistance, which dosing with Zolvix will prevent for this year. Probably best leaving till next year now, as best to try and get some thrive back into the lambs.
Are you still going to test the dung, might be a waste of money if not dosing with white or yellow dose and then doing a follow up check to check resistance. what did you dose with previously white or yellow?

Whoops apologies, missed this one, Cran is thinking the same way though.

As well as a waste of money, what will happen in a few years when Zolvix resistance appears.

This website is real food for thought - it takes everything we think we know about worms in sheep and stands it on its head! Very interesting approach.

http://www.nationalsheep.org.uk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=287&Itemid=68

http://www.nationalsheep.org.uk/images/stories/pdf/10thingsyoushouldknow.pdf

LostCovey

whelan1 · 30-08-2011 08:47AM

milkprofit wrote: »

Whelan 1
Make sure filter is before plate cooler
keep filter in when washing no saw dust should get to plate cooler

sp do you only change the filter at the end of the wash then? Got a text last night with tbc of 11 for sundays milk, i can not understand it as the crap i took out of the in plate cooler was unreal... also easy knowing glanbia are over quota with the amount of over spill that was running down my yard from the lorry this morning:cool:

whelan1 · 30-08-2011 02:20PM

just back from mart i only had 2 calves in it today both br/fr bulls got 210 and 190 both born 17 august.. there where 9 calves in the sale today, 2 other friesian calves made 110 at a struggle... there where 4 simmenetal calves lovely calves, 2 heifers made 330 and 340 , abull made 360 and a smashing sim bull made 440.. then there was an angus weanling funny looking thing he made 270.. unreal crowd around the ring for so few calves

snowman707 · 30-08-2011 07:19PM

johngalway wrote: »

Trip to the vet this morning. Lambs have been in decent grass and getting fed but not thriving. Some scoury, all had been dosed twice. Brought some dung samples and told the tale. Left with Zolvix, he suspects resistance. Not what I wanted to hear, but what I expected, cold comfort being right!

johngalway wrote: »

They got two rounds of Panacur SC this Summer which is white. Wouldn't mind but I'd planned to do FEC's this year but kept putting them on the long finger :rolleyes: Not testing the dung, will see how the lambs do for a bit, if I can get shot of them if they put a bit more condition on I will. So much for getting them away early this year Agree with you about leaving the testing until next year really, bit late now.

could be resistance to whites, ........ not familiar with Zolvix, but I would recommend Cydectin drench

you said they are fed? is it a commercial sheep ration , I would recommend taking a few bloods to check for minerals and trace elements but may not be accurate cos of the meal,

we always bolus all lambs left at this time of year with selenium, iodine, copper and cobalt or maybe a shot of growvite or twin tup would help

supersean1999 · 30-08-2011 07:56PM

i see in the independent it says it thinks sheep payments under the targeted agricultural measures scheme is starting this week, what is that any ideas, thanks

Charlie Charolais · 31-08-2011 07:59AM

anyone got big weights for young cattle?
sold a charolais bullock at the weekend 685kg @ 16months; very pleased with that!

reilig · 31-08-2011 08:30AM

Charlie Charolais wrote: »

anyone got big weights for young cattle?
sold a charolais bullock at the weekend 685kg @ 16months; very pleased with that!

My best weinling was sold 2 weeks ago. 485kg and born in November 2010 - not bad for 9 months.
Pedigree Limousin Bull last year was 680kg at 290 days.

whelan1 · 31-08-2011 09:44AM

just had a really strange one... yesterday when checking cattle the was an in calf heifer with blood all along her neck... no visible cut or blood dropping. Chceked her again last night and she was fine, then this morning blood pissing out of her ear, just below her tag , she had busted the vein , vet came out tokk 4 stitches to stop it .. touch wood its stopped now, my dad said in his 67 years around he never saw anything like it

pakalasa · 31-08-2011 10:10AM

whelan1 wrote: »

just had a really strange one... yesterday when checking cattle the was an in calf heifer with blood all along her neck... no visible cut or blood dropping. Chceked her again last night and she was fine, then this morning blood pissing out of her ear, just below her tag , she had busted the vein , vet came out tokk 4 stitches to stop it .. touch wood its stopped now, my dad said in his 67 years around he never saw anything like it

Maybe she's haemophiliac!

weefarmer · 31-08-2011 04:32PM

Feckin hate ragwort grrr. >:(

whelan1 · 31-08-2011 06:16PM

weefarmer wrote: »

Feckin hate ragwort grrr. >:(

join the club. have decided to spend 1 hour a week pulling ragworth an hour is just about tolerable:rolleyes:

blue5000 · 31-08-2011 07:52PM

whelan1 wrote: »

join the club. have decided to spend 1 hour a week pulling ragworth an hour is just about tolerable:rolleyes:

Drove part of the M7 today its a fcukin disgrace with ragwort on the embankments, all around the water treatment areas too.

weefarmer · 31-08-2011 09:39PM

We used to pull them but they have really spread badly this last few years, was just cutting them close to the bottom with long hedge clippers, goin to spray the new leaves on the ones that were cut a few months back with roundup tomorro with the back sprayer, just to see how it goes

sea12 · 31-08-2011 09:47PM

weefarmer wrote: »

We used to pull them but they have really spread badly this last few years, was just cutting them close to the bottom with long hedge clippers, goin to spray the new leaves on the ones that were cut a few months back with roundup tomorro with the back sprayer, just to see how it goes

get yourself a few sheep that will be the end of ure ragworth:D

lab man · 31-08-2011 09:52PM

wee farmer there is a spray for them you can only spray them in october tho when reading up on it. cant think of the name of the spray tho sorry,

weefarmer · 31-08-2011 10:01PM

Ha tried the sheep before and they werent easy to keep in!
I must look and see about the spray, itd be handier than messing about. Passes the time mostly, ive burned the rushes in the field too, plans to reseed it in the near future!

Bigbird1 · 31-08-2011 10:13PM

reilig wrote: »

My best weinling was sold 2 weeks ago. 485kg and born in November 2010 - not bad for 9 months.
Pedigree Limousin Bull last year was 680kg at 290 days.

was he eating much meal and what price reilig??

i believe cattle should always be pushed i mean why have "store" cattle out on grass for summers anyway

LostCovey · 01-09-2011 12:35AM

johngalway wrote: »

Our vet will send the samples off for €6 a time. Thought about getting a kit, then thought better of it

€6 a time, eh?

There's no easy way to break this to you .....

From
http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/animalhealthwelfare/laboratoryservices/regionalveterinarylaboratories/testandpricelist/#d.en.30436

McMasters All RVLs €2.50
McMasters Egg Count Parasitology Backweston €2.50
McMasters Equine All RVLs €2.50
McMasters ex fluke All RVLs €2.50
McMasters Poultry All RVLs €2.50

I bet your vet loves to see you coming with a box of samples.

LostCovey

whelan1 · 01-09-2011 05:08AM

lab man wrote: »

wee farmer there is a spray for them you can only spray them in october tho when reading up on it. cant think of the name of the spray tho sorry,

d50 is the spray best to spray in the spring when at the rossette stage , keep cattle off for 2 weeks until they are dead- the weeds not the cattle:rolleyes:

LostCovey · 01-09-2011 05:55AM

whelan1 wrote: »

d50 is the spray best to spray in the spring when at the rossette stage , keep cattle off for 2 weeks until they are dead- the weeds not the cattle:rolleyes:

The only trouble with that is that sprayed ragwart is very palatable, and the cattle may eat it when they are let out on it, and it will kill them.

The cattle AND the ragwort.

LostCovey

whelan1 · 01-09-2011 06:53AM

LostCovey wrote: »

The only trouble with that is that sprayed ragwart is very palatable, and the cattle may eat it when they are let out on it, and it will kill them.

The cattle AND the ragwort.

LostCovey

believe you me i know all that... thats why i said to leave them off til the ragworth are dead, i dont agree with what weefarmer is suggesting as round up will not kill them... spraying in october is not as good as there is too much old material around , spring is best as its all new growth only problem is frost can affect the kill and you might have to respray

leg wax · 01-09-2011 08:29AM

i was shifting cows and bull weanlings yesterday and said i would give the bulls a dose,when i put them in the crush i really saw how well they had done over the summer, these were all vac for ibr in my out break and i can say it has paid me, plenty of growth in them,different cattle to other years.

reilig · 01-09-2011 09:53AM

Bigbird1 wrote: »

was he eating much meal and what price reilig??

i believe cattle should always be pushed i mean why have "store" cattle out on grass for summers anyway

The weinling only got meal for the last 5 or 6 weeks - about 3kg per day. He sold for €1100.

The bull from last year got meal from when he was 6 months old - ad lib. he sold for €2000 last march.

reilig · 01-09-2011 09:56AM

whelan1 wrote: »

believe you me i know all that... thats why i said to leave them off til the ragworth are dead, i dont agree with what weefarmer is suggesting as round up will not kill them... spraying in october is not as good as there is too much old material around , spring is best as its all new growth only problem is frost can affect the kill and you might have to respray

I killed ragworth with glyphosate and the licker this summer for a neighbour. I wonder if it will grow back? Its gone black!

If you could spray ragworth in the back end when cattle are going into the shed, it should have rotted away by the time they are getting out again.

whelan1 · 01-09-2011 11:06AM

reilig wrote: »

I killed ragworth with glyphosate and the licker this summer for a neighbour. I wonder if it will grow back? Its gone black!

If you could spray ragworth in the back end when cattle are going into the shed, it should have rotted away by the time they are getting out again.

true BUT my spray man says there is so much dead material for the spray to work through you are better spraying in the spring on the new growth.... i wouldnt chance round up on ragworth but thats just me.. Just back from an hour pulling ragworth :cool:

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