Who should you give up your seat for?

Carrieleee · 31-08-2011 12:00PM

inforfun wrote: »

Fair enough.
But if they are disabled enough, not to be able to work, why the **** do they always seem to be needing the bus during rush hours?
Same for pensioners, women with buggies etc. Bags full of shopping so they clearly didnt just finish working.

Hahaha! You can't just depict times that certain people may use the bus!

Lollipops23 · 31-08-2011 12:00PM

inforfun wrote: »

Fair enough.
But if they are disabled enough, not to be able to work, why the **** do they always seem to be needing the bus during rush hours?
Same for pensioners, women with buggies etc. Bags full of shopping so they clearly didnt just finish working.

Because they also don't have to be tied to certain hours of bus usage...?

Jesus, how judgemental, disabled people/pregnant women etc are allowed use the bus whenever they choose!! I sit at a desk all day, why do I need the seat more than them?!!

stovelid · 31-08-2011 12:05PM

Elderly people; people holding a small child or pregnant women.

Knine · 31-08-2011 12:10PM

Sometimes though a disability is not obvious. My child uses as special needs buggy as she has both physical and intellectual disability but because she looks like any other child, people don't realise and you have to explain yourself.

Recently on a trip to the zoo, one of the staff starting telling me to make the lazy child get out and walk as they were too old to be in a buggy.:rolleyes:

He went on and on about it and to be honest when you either raising a child or looking after an adult with a disability you have much bigger battles to fight each and every day of the week to get too upset about comments like the above.

Wow Angeles, so the disabled should stay at home every day of the week, rather than inconvenience you by getting on a bus? It is no wonder that disabled people and their carers feel isolated from the rest of the world with that sort of opinion.

WindSock · 31-08-2011 12:10PM

Bus ****

inforfun · 31-08-2011 12:12PM

Carrieleee wrote: »

Hahaha! You can't just depict times that certain people may use the bus!

Why not?
OAP's in Holland get rather big discounts to use public transport. But they can only use these discounts after 9am.

Not that i really care anymore. You wont find me on a bus anymore.

LumpyGravy · 31-08-2011 12:24PM

A wise man once told me he'd rather have a pregnant woman stand on the bus than see a fat woman cry.

Aishae · 31-08-2011 12:24PM

wild_cat wrote: »

I usually hop up for the elderly, the less mobile and pregnant women.

I'm a bit shy at moving when a buggy gets onto the bus due to the fact that they are meant to fold them up but often don't and it causes untold confusion when a wheel chair user also boards the bus.

I understand some people not being able to give up their seat in a normal hospital... but in a maternity hospital? Surely not all of the fellows who remain seated have an under lying health condition?

Ah that really got my goat once.

I use a walking stick mostly but at times I need a rolling walking aid. I got on to a bus one day a few months ago with the roller and there was a buggy. Suddenly 3 more got on and somehow I ended up blocking the aisle with it as they all shuffled about to squeeze in. The driver had to shout back twice 'fold at least of those buggies!'

I rarely see a folded buggy even if there are 3-4 of them.

I'm also 27 and look healthy. It's not obvious I'm often dizzy and have no balance, never mind the walking trouble. I'm often left standing. I don't demand a seat. That's fine. But it DOES annoy me that when I do get a seat I'm stared out of it by an old one. I give up the seat if I'm able, but if I need it I need it. You cant always judge a book by the cover, as they say.

I always gave up my seat for old folks the heavily pregnant and infirm. I'm in the last category now. I don't expect people to give up a seat - I appreciate it if they do. But if I get a seat I'm staying there.

ejmaztec · 31-08-2011 12:25PM

I'd give my seat up to a suicide bomber.

whydoibother? · 31-08-2011 12:31PM

There's definitely a bit of judgement required as to how easily the person can stand. I know someone who is 60+, plays sports every day and looks young for her age. I'd say she'd be quite offended by an implication that she couldn't stand (though she wouldn't show it, she'd just accept politely)

mw3guc · 31-08-2011 12:41PM

inforfun wrote: »

But if they are disabled enough, not to be able to work, why the **** do they always seem to be needing the bus during rush hours?

Many people with disabilities also work and need to use public transport during rush hours for that very reason. Others may be attending doctor or hospital appointments. It would be nice if everyone could arrange their lives for the convenience of others but it's not often possible :rolleyes:

Most people (with or without disabilities, pregnant bumps etc) who don't need to be on a bus/train during rush hour would choose any other time to travel to avoid the congestion and discomfort.

Eever · 31-08-2011 12:51PM

Carrieleee wrote: »

The way I look at it is if you see someone you feel deserves your seat then offer it to them. If they say no they say no, you've done your best.

Probably the best attitude to have.

Angeles wrote: »

Its kinda ironic how were conditioned to give up a seat to an elderly person who's gonna take your seat for 20 mins on a bus, just to get up and spend the next few hours walking around shops in town..
Same goes for anyone.
If your disabled in some way, why are you getting on a bus in the first place?

How do you know that the elderly person is off to spend a few hours shopping in town? There could be any number of reasons they're on the bus other than to go shopping?? Even if that is what they need to do, all the more reason to give them a rest so they're not wrecked by the time they get there!

inforfun wrote: »

Fair enough.
But if they are disabled enough, not to be able to work, why the **** do they always seem to be needing the bus during rush hours?

What makes you think they're not working just because they're disabled?? If anyone who isn't working can avoid the bus during rush hour, I'm sure they would. Sure why would they want to put themselves through it?

inforfun wrote: »

Why not?
OAP's in Holland get rather big discounts to use public transport. But they can only use these discounts after 9am.

Feel free to correct me, but I thought it was the same here? That OAP bus pass can only be used at certain hours? Could be wrong about that though.

Aishae wrote: »

I always gave up my seat for old folks the heavily pregnant and infirm. I'm in the last category now. I don't expect people to give up a seat - I appreciate it if they do. But if I get a seat I'm staying there.

I hate that. There's nothing worse than people who stare or demand seats. If noone is willing to get up and offer one then they'll just have to put up with it. I had a woman get on a bus once and literally start screaming at me before I even looked up and saw her. She started calling me all sorts of names and telling me to gerrup outta da seat so I can sit down.

As far as I could see she was just fat and tired, though as has been said there could have been other medical problems I wasn't aware of and if I'd just seen her standing there I might have offered, but she didn't give me that chance, just started swearing at me so there was no way I was rewarding her behaviour by giving up my seat!

Beggared · 31-08-2011 12:58PM

stovelid wrote: »

Elderly people; people holding a small child or pregnant women.

Anyone who could hold a pregnant woman is in better shape than me so I would keep my seat.

stovelid · 31-08-2011 01:25PM

Beggared wrote: »

Anyone who could hold a pregnant woman is in better shape than me so I would keep my seat.

You missed the fact that I said pregnant women which would have allowed you an even more tortuously extended joke.

chopperbyrne · 31-08-2011 01:36PM

I once offered my seat to a pregnant girl on the LUAS.

She turned to me an said "I'm not fúcking pregnant!"

So I sat down again and then she start giving out to me for not giving her the seat.

No way am I giving up my seat for some fat, lazy girl in her twenties.

Aishae · 31-08-2011 01:48PM

An old couple got onto the Luas . Quite old I'd say frail and 80, I got up n motioned to them there was 1 seat. A pig ignorant burly fella that looked 30-40 ran for the seat and took it. Due to his size and scowl I didn't call him on it but most of the carriage was giving him dirty evils.

Kojak · 31-08-2011 01:50PM

I'd only give up my seat for bertie Ahern - what that man did for this country, no one can forget...

jacksprat · 31-08-2011 01:59PM

Rosa Parks maybe..?

Alice1 · 31-08-2011 02:20PM

Saw men sitting in the Coombe hosp too - while pregnant ladies had to stand - when I was in for check ups. On one memorable occasion, a nurse came marching up through the waiting area and very loudly told all the men to stand and give their seats to the ladies - and she kept repeating it until all of the preggy ladies had seats.

I shall be eternally grateful to all the kind kind people who gave me their seats on the bus when I was preggy.

Daniel S · 31-08-2011 02:24PM

efb wrote: »

Aged 60+ female 70+ male

Good to see equality has become commonplace.

Mr. Presentable wrote: »

I will offer my seat to anyone who looks less able than I to stand.

I don't believe being pregnant is necessarily a disablement and wouldn't always get up for someone who made a lifestyle choice and looks big and strong

Exactly same here, +1.

optogirl · 31-08-2011 02:28PM

xzanti wrote: »

A lot of people actually don't seeing as pregnancy is a choice..

You'd be suprised how many men have to be asked to move from seats in Maternity Hospitals to let pregnant women sit down. It was a regular occurance in the Rotunda.. Every time I went in for check ups I'd see it :rolleyes:

Yep - see this all the time in the Rotunda. Am almost 6 months at the moment and haven't been offered a seat once on Luas/Bus.

xzanti · 31-08-2011 03:16PM

optogirl wrote: »

Yep - see this all the time in the Rotunda..

And it's not a short wait either.. you're looking at hours on end queueing in the Day Clinics..

Hell on Earth imho

Mr. Presentable · 31-08-2011 03:18PM

optogirl wrote: »

Yep - see this all the time in the Rotunda. Am almost 6 months at the moment and haven't been offered a seat once on Luas/Bus.

Maybe you are one of the lucky ones who doesn't "show" heavily

and are hard to tell from a young one with a pouch.

wolfpawnat · 31-08-2011 03:21PM

wild_cat wrote: »

I'm a bit shy at moving when a buggy gets onto the bus due to the fact that they are meant to fold them up but often don't and it causes untold confusion when a wheel chair user also boards the bus.

Dublin Buses rule is a wheelchair OR an occupied buggy. I bring my child on the bus with this, but I will always fold for a wheelchair without needing to be asked!

I was 40 weeks pregnant and never needed to sit, even after loads of walking, but other people are supposed to have a lot of backache so I cannot speak for anyone but myself!

blaze1 · 31-08-2011 03:29PM

I was in the rotunda with my wife when she was there for a check up, it was quiet so I sat down. When another couple appeared I hopped up to give my seat to the woman and her fella jumps on it!

Noopti · 31-08-2011 03:36PM

Don't get the whole "pregnancy was their choice, so they can stand" idea. Fact is I am a fairly fit and young person, so I don't care if the woman chose to be pregnant, she could probably do with a seat more than me. So I would offer the seat.

If someone came on the bus with crutches would you ask them how they got the injury before offering them the seat? If they answer "hit by car" they get the seat, if they answer "playing football" well it was their choice to play football and risk an injury, so they stand. I do understand how people can be wary of offering a seat to a pregnant woman - if it wasn't really obvious and she could be just big.

People who need a seat more than me get it, simple.

Daniel S · 31-08-2011 03:38PM

Noopti wrote: »

If someone came on the bus with crutches would you ask them how they got the injury before offering them the seat? If they answer "hit by car" they get the seat, if they answer "playing football" well it was their choice to play football and risk an injury, so they stand.

What if they said "I chopped them off so I could sit on the bus whenever I want"? People will just abuse your kindness.

:pac:

Carrieleee · 31-08-2011 03:47PM

Noopti wrote: »

Don't get the whole "pregnancy was their choice, so they can stand" idea. Fact is I am a fairly fit and young person, so I don't care if the woman chose to be pregnant, she could probably do with a seat more than me. So I would offer the seat.

If someone came on the bus with crutches would you ask them how they got the injury before offering them the seat? If they answer "hit by car" they get the seat, if they answer "playing football" well it was their choice to play football and risk an injury, so they stand. I do understand how people can be wary of offering a seat to a pregnant woman - if it wasn't really obvious and she could be just big.

People who need a seat more than me get it, simple.

I agree with this. Not offering someone your seat because they are pregnant and you feel it is a 'lifestyle choice' is utterly ridiculous.

For starters, they may not have chose to be pregnant. You have no way of knowing. But that aside even if it was their choice you would want to be incredibly arrogant to feel you deserve a seat more then them if you are fit and able.

Oh_Noes · 31-08-2011 03:53PM

It's a funny one really regarding age. My mam is in her late fifties and would be mortified if someone got up and offered her their seat, as well-intentioned as it would be.

Noopti · 31-08-2011 03:57PM

mtb_kng wrote: »

What if they said "I chopped them off so I could sit on the bus whenever I want"? People will just abuse your kindness.

:pac:

I can live with someone abusing my kindness in offering them a seat on the bus.....not gonna lose sleep over that! :P

Who should you give up your seat for?

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