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Two Irish women murdered in Turkey!

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  • #62
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    old_aussie wrote: »
    Wanted to marry 15 yo, that's pretty much a muslim thing.

    Bollocks it is.

    It's actually very common around the world in Muslim, Christian and other religious countries, hell it was common in Ireland up until the 1800's.


  • #63
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    Sooopie wrote: »
    *mad impressed*

    No copying!


  • #64
    stovelid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,252 ✭✭✭✭stovelid


    old_aussie wrote: »
    Wanted to marry 15 yo, that's pretty much a muslim thing.

    Or a descendant of Jerry Lee Lewis.


  • #65
    MagicSean
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    milkycoffey wrote: »
    So everytime a murder occurs in a Christian European country, it is indicative of the attitude of Christians towards a human life?

    i don't recall saying every murder in Turkey is as a result of Muslim belief. I said this particular murder is indicative of the overall attitude towards women in the country as a consequence of the hold which the Muslim religion has on it.


  • #66
    Sonics2k
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    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    i don't recall saying every murder in Turkey is as a result of Muslim belief. I said this particular murder is indicative of the overall attitude towards women in the country as a consequence of the hold which the Muslim religion has on it.

    But this murder had absolutely nothing to do with religion. None what-so-ever.

    Run of the mill young man murdered two women because he wanted to marry ones daughter.

    Nothing to do with religion. Just an ordinary run of the mill nut-job.


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  • #67
    MagicSean
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    Sonics2k wrote: »
    But this murder had absolutely nothing to do with religion. None what-so-ever.

    Run of the mill young man murdered two women because he wanted to marry ones daughter.

    Nothing to do with religion. Just an ordinary run of the mill nut-job.

    Are you saying that marriage has nothing to do with religion? In a Muslim country? Are you for real?


  • #68
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    Are you saying that marriage has nothing to do with religion? In a Muslim country? Are you for real?

    No, I'm saying the MURDER and actions of the man has nothing to do with the religion.

    Thousands of people are killed in U.S and U.K. by young men in very similar situations, by we don't call out Religion as the reason because the odds are they are Christian.

    For some bizarre reason when a Muslim commits a crime like this, it's all down to the Religion and Culture of the country, and not the simple fact they are a screwed up insane little man.

    f*ck me people are ignorant.


  • #69
    MagicSean
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    Sonics2k wrote: »
    No, I'm saying the MURDER and actions of the man has nothing to do with the religion.

    Thousands of people are killed in U.S and U.K. by young men in very similar situations, by we don't call out Religion as the reason because the odds are they are Christian.

    For some bizarre reason when a Muslim commits a crime like this, it's all down to the Religion and Culture of the country, and not the simple fact they are a screwed up insane little man.

    f*ck me people are ignorant.

    Most Western countries have worked towards seperating religion from law. In the U.S. marriage has nothing at all to do with religion. Ireland is heading that way too. Marriage is more a tax benefit than anything in this country.

    In most Muslim countries peoples lives are dictated by their religion, which is their culture, which is often their laws.

    Nobody's suggesting Christianity wasn't the same. It probably is in some countries in South america and Africa. Religion just has much less of a hold in more developed countries.

    There are many things that we would see as insane, but some cultures would see as just. honour killings spring to mind here.


  • #70
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,037 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Seanbeag1 wrote: »
    Most Western countries have worked towards seperating religion from law. In the U.S. marriage has nothing at all to do with religion. Ireland is heading that way too. Marriage is more a tax benefit than anything in this country.

    In most Muslim countries peoples lives are dictated by their religion, which is their culture, which is often their laws.

    Nobody's suggesting Christianity wasn't the same. It probably is in some countries in South america and Africa. Religion just has much less of a hold in more developed countries.

    There are many things that we would see as insane, but some cultures would see as just. honour killings spring to mind here.

    I'm not disputing that many countries in the Middle-East are dictated by Religion based Laws.

    I'm simply pointing out that this murder had nothing at all to do with Religion. None what so freaking ever.


  • #71
    Dionysus
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    prinz wrote: »
    Not quite, because they were travelling on Irish passports. They could have been born and raised in Siberia and have Irish passports.

    Except that they would not be entitled to an Irish passport based on their birth in Siberia. The same cannot be said for somebody who was born in Down, or Cork for that matter (at least prior to 2005, in a change which affected Down as much as Cork). They are Irish not only because they were born in Ireland but also because they claim to be Irish, just as Dubliners, Galwegians or any other people born in Ireland are Irish on precisely the same criteria. There are, for instance, Dublin-born people who have disowned their Irishness. That should be respected.


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  • #72
    hightower1
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    Sonics2k wrote: »
    But this murder had absolutely nothing to do with religion. None what-so-ever.

    Run of the mill young man murdered two women because he wanted to marry ones daughter.

    Nothing to do with religion. Just an ordinary run of the mill nut-job.


    No one here is proclaiming all muslims to be nut jobs and the fact that you seem to be hyper sensitive to that says maybe race or religion is more in the forefront of your mind than anyone elses?
    All thats being said here is that based on the fact that the reason for the murder was the denial of marrige by a woman to a man brought up in a society where women are of less social standing than men seems to indiate that the culture itself may have influenced the killers opinion of his victims in some way making the decision to kill slightly easier for him...

    A contributing factor MAYBE but no one is saying that the reason was entirely is relgion?


  • #73
    Carpenter
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    mccarthy37 wrote: »
    What a tragic story RIP. Turkey is a very dangerous country if you have a disagreement with someone from there they like to boast about it. I had a bad experience in Kusadasi after being ripped off with money exchange. Stay away from this country they seem friendly on the surface until something goes wrong then you will see another side that is far from friendly. God help their families they taught they were safe there sadly the truth is far different. What a hard lesson in life for such a young girl.

    So you had 1 bad experience and that makes it a bad country and you are telling people to stay away I have being there 23 times and can tell you it is a lot safer than Ireland .
    In 23 trips I have not seen trouble so who is right and who is wrong .


  • #74
    Bodhisopha
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    hightower1 wrote: »
    No one here is proclaiming all muslims to be nut jobs and the fact that you seem to be hyper sensitive to that says maybe race or religion is more in the forefront of your mind than anyone elses?
    All thats being said here is that based on the fact that the reason for the murder was the denial of marrige by a woman to a man brought up in a society where women are of less social standing than men seems to indiate that the culture itself may have influenced the killers opinion of his victims in some way making the decision to kill slightly easier for him...

    A contributing factor MAYBE but no one is saying that the reason was entirely is relgion?


    What culture? The legal age for marriage in Turkey is 18 or 17 with parental consent. He could not have married a 15 year old girl, it is not part of their culture.

    Hope this helps.


  • #75
    Intensive Care Bear
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    A few years ago some Irish bloke died in Turkey, the front page of one of the papers had "Irish man found dead in turkey" my mate came into work and after looking at the front page in disbelief she shouted "Oh my god i didnt think they would eat a human" funniest thing i have ever heard.


  • #76
    Vertigo100
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    I'm in turkey at the minute staying very close to where the women had their house. It's no more dangerous here than anywhere in Ireland cos god knows if something was gonna happen anyone it would have been menib Tuesday night. State I was in!


  • #77
    Samich
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    This is just awful, awful for the 15 y/o girl. Just awful

    What goes through my mind aswell is what the 2 women were going through while they were being murdered. They died in fear and pain and maybe even witnessed one of the other women getting killed. :(


  • #78
    Monty.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 695 ✭✭✭Monty.


    Women are rated no higher than dogs in Turkey.
    Why do some Irish women think only Irish men can tell grandiose stories and lies ?

    Grant unto them eternal rest, and may perpetual light shine upon them.
    May their souls rest in peace.


  • #79
    prinz
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    old_aussie wrote: »
    Wanted to marry 15 yo, that's pretty much a muslim thing.

    Didn't yer man from The Green Mile who's 50+ IIRC marry a 16 year old* 'good Christian girl' recently in the US?





    *all evidence seen so far to the contrary.


  • #80
    mccarthy37
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    Carpenter wrote: »
    So you had 1 bad experience and that makes it a bad country and you are telling people to stay away I have being there 23 times and can tell you it is a lot safer than Ireland .
    In 23 trips I have not seen trouble so who is right and who is wrong .

    Have you forgotten Tara Whelen already and about the dangerous statement this was constantly repeated to me when I asked for the money that was robed from me in a proper Exchange Bureau in the centre of Kusadasi. I hope that you will always be safe there.


  • #81
    Carpenter
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    mccarthy37 wrote: »
    Have you forgotten Tara Whelen already and about the dangerous statement this was constantly repeated to me when I asked for the money that was robed from me in a proper Exchange Bureau in the centre of Kusadasi. I hope that you will always be safe there.


    No I have not forgot Tara but telling people to stay away is just a little mind working overtime.
    If that is the case we should all stay @ home forever.
    And we are lucky that people are never ripped off in Ireland.


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  • #82
    mccarthy37
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    Oh I've been ripped off in Ireland many a time but I never had my life threatened in front of my young daughter. When something like this happens it clouds your view of a country


  • #83
    Carpenter
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    mccarthy37 wrote: »
    Oh I've been ripped off in Ireland many a time but I never had my life threatened in front of my young daughter. When something like this happens it clouds your view of a country


    OK you are right but if that happened to me in Ireland or Turkey they would get the same back remember there are 80 million people over there and they put up with no sh1t this boy/man is in for a hard time because of what he did and rightly so I have a friend over there that was up over a traffic offense and got 6 months 2 of which were in a normal prison he told me it was hell the cell was 35 by 35 foot and there were 85 men in it now that's the way it should be over here they can play snooker again are we right or wrong.


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