Two Irish women murdered in Turkey!

Stinicker

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/murder-in-turkey-two-irish-women-stabbed-to-death-2853164.html

RIP

Temptamperu

Thats awful RIP

lastlaugh

Why did you use an exclamation mark in the title?

Ghandee

May they RIP,

No sick jokes please....

Stinicker

lastlaugh wrote: »

Why did you use an exclamation mark in the title?

I used it as a danger sign to watch out, loads of Irish people holiday in Turkey and look at what happens to these two misfortune souls. Have you ever seen the danger sign?

My name is URL

I don't see what purpose this thread serves in AH.. the story is all over the news, and presumably no discussion is going to be allowed here.

TheZohanS

Stinicker wrote: »

I used it as a danger sign to watch out, loads of Irish people holiday in Turkey and look at what happens to these two misfortune souls. Have you ever seen the danger sign?

Did you even read the aul article? Very special circumstances.

A 17-year-old Turkish waiter has been arrested by police after the murder of two Irish women who were on holiday in the popular resort of Kusadasi.

The youth is believed to be the boyfriend of the 15-year-old daughter of one of the women. Both are from Co Down, but hold Irish passports.

The women are Marion Graham and Kathy Doyle (nee Dinsmore), who were both in their 50s and from Newry.

It is understood the alarm was raised by Mrs Graham's daughter Shannon, (15), after they failed to return home from a trip to Izmir.

Reports today indicated that the 17-year-old man, named locally as Recep C, confessed to killing the women when the mother of the teenage girl denied him permission to marry her.

The bodies of the two women, suffering fatal stab wounds, were found in a forest near Izmir, some 120 kilometres from the resort of Kusadasi where one of the women has a holiday home.

It has been reported in Turkey that the youth confessed to the police that he lured the women to the woods where he attacked them. He later led police to the bodies.

Shannon Graham had been away on a boat trip yesterday and when she returned she could not find her mother. The disappearance was reported to local police who interviewed the youth.

They also retrieved his blood-stained clothes.

R.I.P.

Nolanger

Why aren't they British?

patwicklow

so so sad the world just getting worse by the day no were is safe.

Temptamperu

Nolanger wrote: »

Why aren't they British?

Because they have Irish Passports... Like it says in the nes report.

Wolflikeme

lastlaugh wrote: »

Why did you use an exclamation mark in the title?

Shut up!

That's a horrific story.

Wonder what the motive was...

Micky Dolenz

Stinicker wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/murder-in-turkey-two-irish-women-stabbed-to-death-2853164.html

RIP

Please include text in future. It's annoying for mobile users of which there are many.

thanks

prinz

Wolflikeme wrote: »

Wonder what the motive was...

Probably the one being reported in the news?

Stinicker

Micky Dolenz wrote: »

Please include text in future. It's annoying for mobile users of which there are many.

thanks

But would that not be copywriting the article placing boards at legal risk from the source? (ie. the indo)

TheZohanS

Stinicker wrote: »

But would that not be copywriting the article placing boards at legal risk from the source? (ie. the indo)

Not if you quote the source.

Micky Dolenz

Stinicker wrote: »

But would that not be copywriting the article placing boards at legal risk from the source? (ie. the indo)

Wouldn't have thought so as long as they are referenced.

See here.

Earthday

RIP

Is this common in Turkey?

Panty_thief

theres not much to say really.


(close thread theres no debate, it cant go anywhere other than sympathizing)

prinz

Earthday wrote: »

Is this common in Turkey?

Is murder common in Jersey? Is it common anywhere?

Ghandee

Nolanger wrote: »

Why aren't they British?

Cos County Down is in Ireland.

Simple.

prinz

Ghandee wrote: »

Cos County Down is in Ireland.
Simple.

Not quite, because they were travelling on Irish passports. They could have been born and raised in Siberia and have Irish passports.

lastlaugh

Stinicker wrote: »

I used it as a danger sign to watch out, loads of Irish people holiday in Turkey and look at what happens to these two misfortune souls. Have you ever seen the danger sign?

Yes I have seen the danger sign.
I'm sure everybody will be extra vigilant now that you have used it in this Threads title.

Wolflikeme wrote: »

Shut up!

That's a horrific story.

Wonder what the motive was...

Oh, I'm sorry.

This is terrible.
RIP

Ghandee

prinz wrote: »

Not quite, because they were travelling on Irish passports. They could have been born and raised in Siberia and have Irish passports.

Read the article.

See the part where it says;

A 17-year-old Turkish waiter has been arrested by police after the murder of two Irish women who were on holiday in the popular resort of Kusadasi. The youth is believed to be the boyfriend of the 15-year-old daughter of one of the women. Both are from Co Down, but hold Irish passports. The women are Marion Graham and Kathy Doyle (nee Dinsmore), who were both in their 50s and from Newry.

That kinda hinted to me that they where in fact from County Down. (which isn't in Siberia)

You never actually read the article though, did you?:rolleyes:

prinz

Ghandee wrote: »

That kinda hinted to me that they where in fact from County Down.

Well done you, but the fact that they were from Down has nothing to do with the fact that they are described as Irish and that it is the Republic's consular officials taking care of the girl. They are 'Irish' because they were travelling under Irish passports. Being from Down doesn't guarantee that they were Irish anymore than it does that they were subjects of the UK.

afrodub

My heart goes out to their family and loved ones may their souls be at peace,and may the perpetrator be remorseful and plead for the Lords` forgiveness and mercy.

lastlaugh

afrodub wrote: »

My heart goes out to their family and loved ones may their souls be at peace,and may the perpetrator be remorseful and plead for the Lords` forgiveness and mercy.

In anim in Athair agus an Vic agus an spirit nave Amen.

MungBean

Poor daughter, cant be easy for her out there after her psycho boyfriend killed her mother because she wouldnt let him marry her. Poor girl must be goin out of her mind.

Micky Dolenz

Drop the nationality debate Please. it doesn't matter.

LordSutch

Six people were tragically killed in Jersey just the other day, and they had Polish Passports.

Getting back to Turkey, its as safe as any other country, I've holidayed there on & off and it got some great resorts. Sounds like the young lad was a rotten apple, mad or otherwise, he is not typical of the Turkish people who I have always found to be very hospitable & friendly.

Our thoughts are with the families of those two unfortunate women.

Guy:Incognito

Temptamperu wrote: »

Because they have Irish Passports... Like it says in the nes report.

Remember that for the next Roma/Romanian debate.

lastlaugh

I went to Turkey a few years ago on holidays. The place we stayed had a lot of Irish. There was a group women from Dublin and they absolutley did not give a flying Fook how they behaved themselves. I drank with them a few nights and they were very funny. Having said that, it seemed a bit sad they were so badly behaved, I wouldn't say the Turkish men knew what to make of them at all...

Did anybody see that documentery a few years ago about the women in their fifties going over to Turkey and hooking up with younger men? It was extremely cringeworthy.

I'm not in anyway suggesting these women were like that and I can't begin to imagine how the young girl is feeling.

Maybe some Turkish men have come to expect certain behaviour from foreigners, or dodgy types of Turks are trying to latch onto foreign women when they get the chance. I could be talking through my bum though...

pickarooney

How does a 17 year old lure two women in their 50s into the woods?

lastlaugh

pickarooney wrote: »

How does a 17 year old lure two women in their 50s into the woods?

Were they meant to be at Boating trip and the daughter called the Police after they didn't return?

If the 17yo was putting pressure on to try and marry the 15yo girl, chances are the father was encouraging him. He has been arrested along with a Taxi driver.

The young fella looks like a right sleaze bag.

hightower1

Well being a muslim country where religious and social rights of women are lesser of that than males I would imagine that would have had a contributing factor in this one persons view on these two people - of lack there of.



- I am not pigeon holing muslims as murderers but its a fact that women have a lesser social standing than men in muslim countries and we know as fact that in the mind of a killer it is easier for them to dehumanize / harm someone they view to be weaker or of less social standing. See sharia law for factual information on females role / standing in their culture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia

My name is URL

LordSutch wrote: »

Getting back to Turkey, its as safe as any other country

I know more than a few people who would disagree with that.

7sr2z3fely84g5

lastlaugh wrote: »

Did anybody see that documentery a few years ago about the women in their fifties going over to Turkey and hooking up with younger men? It was extremely cringeworthy.

turkish wives club-
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4605430147418210671

lastlaugh

hightower1 wrote: »

Well being a muslim country where religious and social rights of women are lesser of that than males I would imagine that would have had a contributing factor in this one persons view on these two people - of lack there of.



- I am not pigeon holing muslims as murderers but its a fact that women have a lesser social standing than men in muslim countries and we know as fact that in the mind of a killer it is easier for them to dehumanize / harm someone they view to be weaker or of less social standing. See sharia law for factual information on females role / standing in their culture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia

I would imagine that these two women were very different in character than the local women the men are used to dealing with.
Perhaps the Mother told the sleaze bags Father to F*ck Off in no uncertain terms, and he didn't take it too well. If they are used to being the 'boss', I'm sure dealing with a loud assertive women would be a serious issue for them.

lastlaugh

Livia Cool Amphibian wrote: »

turkish wives club-
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4605430147418210671

Absolutley appaling watching.
It's obvious the main Aul one's husband couldn't give a Sh!te about her. She seems either blind to it or doesn't care.
And she's asking him will he look after her when she's older and stuff.
Dreadful.

7sr2z3fely84g5

lastlaugh wrote: »

Absolutley appaling watching.
It's obvious the main Aul one's husband couldn't give a Sh!te about her. She seems either blind to it or doesn't care.
And she's asking him will he look after her when she's older and stuff.
Dreadful.

Agreed,but the same happens here i think,or love is blind.

lastlaugh

Livia Cool Amphibian wrote: »

Agreed,but the same happens here i think,or love is blind.

I not sure if it does though.
They were going over specifically to see if they could find 'love'. I suppose if that's what they want to do, they are old enough to make up their own minds...

7sr2z3fely84g5

lastlaugh wrote: »

I not sure if it does though.

i think it does,i often seen very ugly sorts pushing buggies with non national fathers,i think some where to gain citizenship,even recently the gov was concerned with amount of "sham marriages" taking place.

Bodhisopha

hightower1 wrote: »

Well being a muslim country where religious and social rights of women are lesser of that than males I would imagine that would have had a contributing factor in this one persons view on these two people - of lack there of.



- I am not pigeon holing muslims as murderers but its a fact that women have a lesser social standing than men in muslim countries and we know as fact that in the mind of a killer it is easier for them to dehumanize / harm someone they view to be weaker or of less social standing. See sharia law for factual information on females role / standing in their culture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia

It's a secular country where the social rights of women, as far as i have seen in my experience in the country, is pretty much equal to that of men.

It's not Saudi Arabia.

lastlaugh

Livia Cool Amphibian wrote: »

i think it does,i often seen very ugly sorts pushing buggies with non national fathers,i think some where to gain citizenship,even recently the gov was concerned with amount of "sham marriages" taking place.

You're right, I used to wonder if Black fellas preferred big fat ugly white women until I realised they must be something else going on.
(Ok, I'm gonna get slated for that)

Bodhisopha

lastlaugh wrote: »

You're right, I used to wonder if Black fellas preferred big fat ugly white women until I realised they must be something else going on.
(Ok, I'm gonna get slated for that)

Big fat ugly white women prefer big black willies. That's a fact.

Steodonn

Lets follow this turk into the woods what could possibly go wrong

Dont seem the smartest too women

lastlaugh

Steodonn wrote: »

Lets follow this turk into the woods what could possibly go wrong

Dont seem the smartest too women

Your write.

mccarthy37

What a tragic story RIP. Turkey is a very dangerous country if you have a disagreement with someone from there they like to boast about it. I had a bad experience in Kusadasi after being ripped off with money exchange. Stay away from this country they seem friendly on the surface until something goes wrong then you will see another side that is far from friendly. God help their families they taught they were safe there sadly the truth is far different. What a hard lesson in life for such a young girl.

MagicSean

Whenever i think how ****ed up this country is a story like this makes me see how fortunate we are. Muslim countries with their archaic rules and laws, South America with it's drug wars and corruption, communist China, mob-ruled Russia, Africa in general. We don't even have to worry about natural disasters.

Saila

what the hell are some people banging on about in this thread. Its all there in black and white. The killer was one of the womens daughters-boyfiend who was told he couldnt ask the daughter to mary him after he asked the mother....then he killed her and her friend, what has that got to do with sharia law or any of that stuff, drop it!

and just lock it, nothing but speculation here and anyone else can thank an RIP post

MagicSean

Saila wrote: »

what the hell are some people banging on about in this thread. Its all there in black and white. The killer was one of the womens daughters-boyfiend who was told he couldnt ask the daughter to mary him after he asked the mother....then he killed her and her friend, what has that got to do with sharia law or any of that stuff, drop it!

and just lock it, nothing but speculation here and anyone else can thank an RIP post

It's indicative of the attitude towards women in muslim countries as a result of religious law.

Sonics2k

I do love how this thread has descended into some kinda bizarre anti-islam-all-turks-are-evil-sharia murderers- with no respect for women.

It's a straight up simple case, psycho kid kills two innocent women.

R.I.P. to both victims.