Denver Broncos Thread

tallaghtoutlaws · 17-08-2011 5:25pm

spiralism wrote: »

no, but Orton was playing some awful stuff by that stage in the season, he would definitely have got us blown out against Oakland and SD (he had in the two reverse fixtures) and wouldnt have been able to muster a comeback against Houston. He'd probably have put up pretty numbers and lost in all 3 games, it was the story of the season for him.

How on earth can you say he would have definitely lost them? I wouldn't have even said he would have won them. Without him actually playing the games you are doing nothing more than speculating.

He had two bad games all season long and they were the Chiefs and Cardinals and were the 2 games before he got dropped. Even with those two bad games and only 13 games played he was still hovering around the Top 10 on average in stats out of all the QBs in the NFL

I'm not blaming Orton for any of those losses, don't be ridiculous. Having the #32 Defence in the NFL contributed to nearly all of those losses (cept @ Kansas i suppose and maybe Arizona, he was unnaturally bad in those games) far more than Orton did

You have a funny way of showing it. No offense dude but your posts imply it for the most part and then at the end you say "Oh im not blaming Orton". Denver were sh1te last year and even Tom Brady would have suffered in that offense. Orton is a better QB than Tebow and John Fox and Elway even see that now. Tebow needs work and Orton doesn't and Orton if given the right ingredients can do a solid job for the Broncos. But like the Eagles the fans will throw Orton under the bus in every opportunity when games don't go their way.

Syferus · 17-08-2011 5:48pm

Agreed, which is why Denver have boxed themselves into a hole now if they plan on keeping both of them. Either commit to Tebow being the QB of the future and gear the organisation towards accelerating his development or just trade him to someone and be done with it, his trade value isn't going to increase from being a bench warmer for a couple more years.

smackbunnybaby · 20-08-2011 11:44pm

According to ESPN Tebow has dropped to 3rd, behind Brady Quinn.

http://www.sbnation.com/2011/8/20/2374878/tim-tebow-brady-quinn-denver-broncos-depth-chart-position-battles

eagle eye · 20-08-2011 11:57pm

He really needs to get out of Denver right now. Pick up the phone BB, give them a 5th rounder for him!;)

spiralism · 21-08-2011 2:13am

smackbunnybaby wrote: »

According to ESPN Tebow has dropped to 3rd, behind Brady Quinn.

http://www.sbnation.com/2011/8/20/2374878/tim-tebow-brady-quinn-denver-broncos-depth-chart-position-battles

Denver press has Quinn as looking very very good so far in training camp, he impressed in Dallas too.

Dunno what to make of this Tebow craic but people need to calm down with talk of shipping him already, he is not the first QB to spend his second year sitting behind a more experienced starter.

I dont really care who wins the job as long as it ends up being the best option for the team tbh. Orton could do a fine job with a good running game and defence (see his last year at chicago), Tebow definitely has the potential, and Quinn seems vastly improved...

tallaghtoutlaws · 21-08-2011 2:30am

eagle eye wrote: »

He really needs to get out of Denver right now. Pick up the phone BB, give them a 5th rounder for him!;)

You can **** right off with that idea. I dont want him anywhere near the Patriots. We don't need a project right now or ever. Hoyer and Mallett are good enough.

spiralism · 21-08-2011 2:33am

Orton on fire tonight, he'll probably check out now with 10/13, 135 and a TD. That's what i like to see

frostie500 · 21-08-2011 7:19am

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

eagle eye wrote: »

Heu really needs to get out of Denver right now. Pick up the phone BB, give them a 5th rounder for him!;)

You can **** right off with that idea. I dont want him anywhere near the Patriots. We don't need a project right now or ever. Hoyer and Mallett are good enough.

Yeah I was very impressed by hoyer in the preseason poker, dont see the jagsmatch bit he looks like another player the pats can trade away for a high pick and then develop Mallet, easily the best pure passer of this years rookie class.
In relation to tebow being moved to third string its important to remember the nfl an rules on qbs-if the third stringer plays for the final quarter he has to stay in for the rest of the game therefore Denver cant even use him for gadget plays like they did last year.
With nothing invested in him by the headland and elway there is little chance of him making.it in Denver. Great college player but it dont transmit o the nfl.
Good to see Quinn playing in a system that suits him, himself and leinhart have the potential to spring a few surprises this year I think

spiralism · 21-08-2011 12:18pm

frostie500 wrote: »

Yeah I was very impressed by hoyer in the preseason poker, dont see the jagsmatch bit he looks like another player the pats can trade away for a high pick and then develop Mallet, easily the best pure passer of this years rookie class.
In relation to tebow being moved to third string its important to remember the nfl an rules on qbs-if the third stringer plays for the final quarter he has to stay in for the rest of the game therefore Denver cant even use him for gadget plays like they did last year.
With nothing invested in him by the headland and elway there is little chance of him making.it in Denver. Great college player but it dont transmit o the nfl.
Good to see Quinn playing in a system that suits him, himself and leinhart have the potential to spring a few surprises this year I think

They've changed that rule this year, the third QB can start active and come in at any time now

Quinn looked pretty good alright last night yeah. would have had two TD passes only for a tip drill on 2nd and goal

Stev_o · 21-08-2011 12:33pm

I don't think their is any team that's willing to take a punt on him unless he's put on waivers. Really is a giant fall for the guy.

LuckyLloyd · 21-08-2011 9:10pm

smackbunnybaby wrote: »

According to ESPN Tebow has dropped to 3rd, behind Brady Quinn.

http://www.sbnation.com/2011/8/20/2374878/tim-tebow-brady-quinn-denver-broncos-depth-chart-position-battles

Quinn with another solid performance last night. People in this debate are conveniently forgetting the pedigree Quinn had coming out of college - he was a star of a high pressure program and led them to two of their three BCS appearances in a decade, putting up ridiculous numbers in the process. Great arm, ability to make plays with his feet, a bunch of late TD drives in crunch situations, etc. Drafted in the 1st round to be a franchise QB. And his play in the NFL thus far? Awful.

Hopefully Tebow and the Denver coaching staff are moving on to working how to get him on the field in other ways...

Peyton Manning · 21-08-2011 9:32pm

Tebow won't be a full back, a half back, a tight end or anything like that. He's said as much himself, and while some will argue if he wants a shot at the NFL he may not have a choice, I disagree. His value will drop in Denver as third string and some other franchise in desperate need of a QB will trade for him. He'll be a starting QB for someone in this league before he'll be a half back or anything else. I honestly don't see him in Denver beyond the 2012 season. He'll take his shot battling on some other QB depth chart before he'll even consider being a half back or whatever else is being suggested.

LuckyLloyd · 21-08-2011 9:39pm

Tom_Brady wrote: »

Tebow won't be a full back, a half back, a tight end or anything like that. He's said as much himself, and while some will argue if he wants a shot at the NFL he may not have a choice, I disagree. His value will drop in Denver as third string and some other franchise in desperate need of a QB will trade for him. He'll be a starting QB for someone in this league before he'll be a half back or anything else. I honestly don't see him in Denver beyond the 2012 season. He'll take his shot battling on some other QB depth chart before he'll even consider being a half back or whatever else is being suggested.

No, but he could be a Brad Smith. He is never going to be a viable starting QB in the NFL, but he could be a useful utility player who lines up at a variety of different skill positions in certain situations - including under centre.

Stev_o · 21-08-2011 11:40pm

Tom_Brady wrote: »

Tebow won't be a full back, a half back, a tight end or anything like that. He's said as much himself, and while some will argue if he wants a shot at the NFL he may not have a choice, I disagree. His value will drop in Denver as third string and some other franchise in desperate need of a QB will trade for him. He'll be a starting QB for someone in this league before he'll be a half back or anything else. I honestly don't see him in Denver beyond the 2012 season. He'll take his shot battling on some other QB depth chart before he'll even consider being a half back or whatever else is being suggested.

I can't see any team in the NFL taking him up to be a starting QB. Just don't see him starting for a team for a whole season.

spiralism · 23-08-2011 3:55pm

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Quinn with another solid performance last night. People in this debate are conveniently forgetting the pedigree Quinn had coming out of college - he was a star of a high pressure program and led them to two of their three BCS appearances in a decade, putting up ridiculous numbers in the process. Great arm, ability to make plays with his feet, a bunch of late TD drives in crunch situations, etc. Drafted in the 1st round to be a franchise QB. And his play in the NFL thus far? Awful.

Hopefully Tebow and the Denver coaching staff are moving on to working how to get him on the field in other ways...

Quinn got drafted into a horrible situation though, a bad browns team with repeated roster and coaching changes and with no talent at the skill positions... small wonder he struggled, it destroyed his confidence too... glad to see he's on the road back, he'll at the least be a very capable backup

Tebow just needs to wait, he will not get handed this and shouldn't, whether it's right that he should or not. Whoever ends up the QB of the team i follow will have my support

neilster · 23-08-2011 4:48pm

spiralism wrote: »

is this the Fullback/Tight End thing again? If Tebow doesnt make it as a QB, he wont make it full stop probably. And to say that he certainly wont make it as a starting QB is ludicrous. Maybe he won't sure, but theres more evidence right now that he will make it than not

I'll say this, if you could combine Orton's passing skills with Tebow's Intangibles, you'd have some player

If we start at the start and say that if JeffMcDaniels hadnt drafted Tebow in the 1st round we wouldnt be having this debate ...the consensus was that he was a 3rd rounder ...a project ....he hasnt really shown ability above this view and projects get dumped ...he could play fullback or at T-end but will he want to ?

He now has a GM who didnt pick him and a coach who didnt draft him and an incumbent QB who came off a strong season and backed his own ability when Miami came to trade

I think Tebow will be cut ...there isnt a financial imperative but if Orton has a strong first 6 weeks it could get interesting ...they have a nice schedule through the first month

Stev_o · 23-08-2011 4:51pm

Tbh the longer Tebow stays in Denver the worst it gets. Everyone knows next years draft and free agency is the year of the QB. He's got to get out before people just accept that they ll fill the gaps next year.

LuckyLloyd · 24-08-2011 1:40pm

"As one highly knowledgeable member of the organization told me Monday, “If everything was totally equal, and this were a competition based only on performance at this camp, Tebow would probably be the fourth-string guy. Kyle [Orton] is far and away the best, and Tebow’s way behind [Brady] Quinn, too. And I’m telling you, Adam Weber is flat-out better right now.”"

TEBOW SUCKS

LuckyLloyd · 24-08-2011 1:43pm

http://www.tebowzone.com/

For all of you who still believe in your Christian champion.

Seriously, some absolute gems in there:

Lee says:
August 21, 2011 at 11:00 pm
The real issue here is John Elway is a Freemason, this is public info even though it is not covered in the media. For those of you who do not know what the Freemasons are about google it and do some research. I have been fooled about Elway’s BS he gives the media concerning Tebow. Elway is lying (that is what freemasons do alot) telling the fans about the QB competition. A Freemason is never going to let a outspoken Christian be succesful. End of Story!!! By the way I burned all of my Elway memorabilia last in my fire place. I Am a Die Hard Bronco Fan for 50 plus years and it ended last nite I am going to be a Houston Texan Fan until Bowlen pulls is head out you know what and fires the ao called alcoholic ex-superstar. Elway and Fox are destroying the foundation of the franchise, News Flash tonite in Denver a grassroots movement of Bronco haters is growing in epic fashion. It is almost sad to think about it but right now I hope this franchise falls to the bottom of the NFL. All fans of the Denver Broncos should investigate what Freemason Elway is really all about and decide if he really should have their support I know I will not support this guy.

wow like

Stev_o · 24-08-2011 2:17pm

What people fail to take into account is that Orton is the anti christ...

Oh those crazy american fundamentalists.

tallaghtoutlaws · 24-08-2011 2:29pm

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

http://www.tebowzone.com/

For all of you who still believe in your Christian champion.

Seriously, some absolute gems in there:

wow like

Cheers for that link. That is by far one of the funniest websites I have ever read. Its worse than those conspiracy nuts.

Dohnny Jepp · 24-08-2011 2:40pm

I like Tebow, he may never be good enough to lead a franchise but i like him :P

tallaghtoutlaws · 24-08-2011 2:42pm

Dohnny Jepp wrote: »

I like Tebow, he may never be good enough to lead a franchise but i like him :P

I heard you and Eagle eye and Tom Brady are premium member of the Tebow fan club and moderate the above site

Peyton Manning · 24-08-2011 3:30pm

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

I heard you and Eagle eye and Tom Brady are premium member of the Tebow fan club and moderate the above site

Be quiet, pagan devil!!!!

adrian522 · 24-08-2011 4:41pm

"Kevin, over at the Phinsider, makes a case for the the Dolphins to trade for Tim Tebow. The Dolphins are really the only team I can think of that would trade for Tim — maybe the Bills or 49ers."

Just what the 49ers need, another mediocre ( at best) QB not ready for the NFL.

Dohnny Jepp · 24-08-2011 4:56pm

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

I heard you and Eagle eye and Tom Brady are premium member of the Tebow fan club and moderate the above site

This post reeks of freemasonary :pac:

mikemac · 24-08-2011 5:09pm

My main memory of Brady Quinn at the Browns was Captain Checkdown

Good at short passes but just would never take a shot downfield. Colt McCoy is slinging it these days

But from seeing Quinn last pre-season game he looked very good and solid

So realy, hard to argue about Quinn passing Tebow on the depth chart just from what I've seen in preseason

eagle eye · 24-08-2011 10:49pm

Well my last words on this are the following.

I'm a believer in that a person can do almost anything they put their mind to if they have incredible determination and a great work ethic. Tebow has those two in bucket fulls and he is also a great leader.

I could give you many, many examples of people beating the odds in the NFL but I'm sure you all know plenty of them yourself.

I'm still confident that Tebow will make it at QB in the NFL. He may have to leave Denver for that to happen but it will happen imo.

Thats the end of this for me. There is one guy here who is just trying to rise people but he is pretty poor at it. There are plenty who don't believe he can make it, I think these people don't understand how far ruthless determination can bring you.

Dohnny Jepp · 24-08-2011 11:21pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Well my last words on this are the following.

I'm a believer in that a person can do almost anything they put their mind to if they have incredible determination and a great work ethic. Tebow has those two in bucket fulls and he is also a great leader.

From one tebow fan to another, I do agree with this statement to a degree, determination and work ethic can only drag a person so far. Natural talent is also a huge piece of the puzzle.

Time will tell if he has enough natural talent to be successful. I think he does and he will reach success at QB with some team eventually.

tallaghtoutlaws · 24-08-2011 11:42pm

eagle eye wrote: »

There are plenty who don't believe he can make it, I think these people don't understand how far ruthless determination can bring you.

Sorry Eagle Eye but that is utter b0llocks. Trying to belittle other peoples opinions by saying we don't understand how far ruthlessness can take someone. That almost implies stupidity. Im 31 and have seen many examples of it in sport over my lifetime and to say that is the reason for my opinions is utter b0llocks. Most of us guys who don't believe it have given legite reasons to our opinion if you can't accept that then fair enough but throwing that reason is there to belittle our knowledge and opinions is nonsense at best.

You can have all the heart and determination in the world and still fail at the actual job/task/position/sport assigned or you have a chance in especially if you are not the best at it.

Chucky the tree · 25-08-2011 12:35am

another Eagle eye gem to add to the list. It's fair to say no matter what happens to Tebow EE will never accept it was down to a lack of talent. Instead it will be because Broncos screwed him, no team gave him a real chance, Elway is a freemason, etc etc.

LuckyLloyd · 25-08-2011 1:00am

eagle eye wrote: »

Well my last words on this are the following.

I'm a believer in that a person can do almost anything they put their mind to if they have incredible determination and a great work ethic. Tebow has those two in bucket fulls and he is also a great leader.

I could give you many, many examples of people beating the odds in the NFL but I'm sure you all know plenty of them yourself.

I'm still confident that Tebow will make it at QB in the NFL. He may have to leave Denver for that to happen but it will happen imo.

Thats the end of this for me. There is one guy here who is just trying to rise people but he is pretty poor at it. There are plenty who don't believe he can make it, I think these people don't understand how far ruthless determination can bring you.

MoscowFlyer · 25-08-2011 1:52am

Seriously, I just wish the Broncos would start Tebow this season so they can show the fans how bad he actually is at throwing the football in the NFL. The fans are gonna pray for Orton to fail so they can get Tebow in at QB, Orton is in a really crappy situation.

Peyton Manning · 25-08-2011 9:55am

Chucky the tree wrote: »

another Eagle eye gem to add to the list. It's fair to say no matter what happens to Tebow EE will never accept it was down to a lack of talent. Instead it will be because Broncos screwed him, no team gave him a real chance, Elway is a freemason, etc etc.

Bit harsh, I don't think EE has said anything like that. He's just said that if Tebow gets a shot, he'll take it and show he can be a succesful QB. He's acknowledged that Tebow needs work, I haven't seen him leading a campaign that Tebow is of elite starting calibre as it is or anything. He's just taking the view that the rest of the Tebow fans on here are taking - he has what it takes to be a starting QB in the NFL and will be succesful some day. I dont think anyone is championing Tebow to lead a team to the Superbowl this year or anything - they're the type of idiots you'll get on NFL.com comments section and the like. EE is just saying, and I agree with him, that Tebow has intangibles of a high level that very few QBs ever have, and that if he can use these while working on his mechanics and make himself a better player then he'll make some franchise very happy one day.

neilster · 25-08-2011 11:50am

eagle eye wrote: »

Well my last words on this are the following.

I'm a believer in that a person can do almost anything they put their mind to if they have incredible determination and a great work ethic. Tebow has those two in bucket fulls and he is also a great leader.

I could give you many, many examples of people beating the odds in the NFL but I'm sure you all know plenty of them yourself.

I'm still confident that Tebow will make it at QB in the NFL. He may have to leave Denver for that to happen but it will happen imo.

Thats the end of this for me. There is one guy here who is just trying to rise people but he is pretty poor at it. There are plenty who don't believe he can make it, I think these people don't understand how far ruthless determination can bring you.

I echo the words of Boomer Esiason who knew a thing or two about the QBack play ....no matter how god-fearing you are or determined you are or as nice person as you are ...you may have the talent to be a star college QBack but it doesnt always translate or some players may be late bloomers ...

I wouldnt say his fate is sealed and also factoring in the lock-out ...Tebow really needed a full pre-season but other passers who need to improve are improving and he doesnt seem to be ....NFL talent evaluators and GMs dont put much store in the perspiration above inspiration ...they expect the hard work as part of the deal especially if being paid as a first round draft pick

But as the Joey Harringtons have found being a college star doesnt guarantee anything at the next level

LuckyLloyd · 25-08-2011 12:50pm

neilster · 25-08-2011 1:22pm

Tom_Brady wrote: »

Bit harsh, I don't think EE has said anything like that. He's just said that if Tebow gets a shot, he'll take it and show he can be a succesful QB. He's acknowledged that Tebow needs work, I haven't seen him leading a campaign that Tebow is of elite starting calibre as it is or anything. He's just taking the view that the rest of the Tebow fans on here are taking - he has what it takes to be a starting QB in the NFL and will be succesful some day. I dont think anyone is championing Tebow to lead a team to the Superbowl this year or anything - they're the type of idiots you'll get on NFL.com comments section and the like. EE is just saying, and I agree with him, that Tebow has intangibles of a high level that very few QBs ever have, and that if he can use these while working on his mechanics and make himself a better player then he'll make some franchise very happy one day.

I think what is being attacked is the presumption of success...that all things being equal if he gets a fair chance he will succeed ....

"He's just said that if Tebow gets a shot, he'll take it and show he can be a succesful QB"

There is absolutely no guarantee of that ....He was a 3rd round project at best with inexperience in running a pro-style offence with question marks about mechanics etc which may never be overcome . His intangibles suggested that there may be a chance . Josh McDaniels made a leap of faith that talent evaluators around the league didnt agree with (it isnt his main job task) and we are where we are

It is instructive that my first choice in the 2011 draft at QB by miles was Ryan Mallett with Newton followed by Locker ....You would have to say that in terms of running a pro-style office ...moving around the pocket ...accuracy and following all of his reads there may be a significant gap between Mallett & Tebow even at this early stage and other 2011 QB draftees may be ahead of him also

Remember there has been successful hybrid players who found successful NFL careers just not at Quarterback ....maybe we are using the wrong measure of success but Denver have had a long look at this stage

neilster · 25-08-2011 1:33pm

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Cheers for that link. That is by far one of the funniest websites I have ever read. Its worse than those conspiracy nuts.

The Christian Right would make u laugh

Peyton Manning · 25-08-2011 2:08pm

neilster wrote: »

I think what is being attacked is the presumption of success...that all things being equal if he gets a fair chance he will succeed ....

"He's just said that if Tebow gets a shot, he'll take it and show he can be a succesful QB"

There is absolutely no guarantee of that

Fair enough, show me where he guaranteed that would happen? I see an opinion, but I don't see a guarantee. When you predicted the Pats would address their pass rush in the draft, was that an opinion or a guarantee?

It is instructive that my first choice in the 2011 draft at QB by miles was Ryan Mallett with Newton followed by Locker

lol thanks for that. Known all around the league for your QB talent evaluation then, are you? But wait, then you say...

You would have to say that in terms of running a pro-style office ...moving around the pocket ...accuracy and following all of his reads there may be a significant gap between Mallett & Tebow

...and it was at this point that I realised you've never actually seen an Arkansas game in your life, so I stopped treating it as a serious post.

Chucky the tree · 25-08-2011 2:43pm

Tom_Brady wrote: »

Bit harsh, I don't think EE has said anything like that. He's just said that if Tebow gets a shot, he'll take it and show he can be a succesful QB. He's acknowledged that Tebow needs work, I haven't seen him leading a campaign that Tebow is of elite starting calibre as it is or anything. He's just taking the view that the rest of the Tebow fans on here are taking - he has what it takes to be a starting QB in the NFL and will be succesful some day. I dont think anyone is championing Tebow to lead a team to the Superbowl this year or anything - they're the type of idiots you'll get on NFL.com comments section and the like. EE is just saying, and I agree with him, that Tebow has intangibles of a high level that very few QBs ever have, and that if he can use these while working on his mechanics and make himself a better player then he'll make some franchise very happy one day.

Tebow has been given a shot and failed already. Maybe he'll turn it around, but I can't of many successful nfl quarterbacks who've gone from 1st string QB to 3rd(arguable 4th) and then gone on to be a success. Althought obviously none of those guys worked as hard as Tebow.

I agree that if Tebow can work on his mechanics(and other aspects) with the intangilbes he'll be a success in the nfl, I also believe if Jamarcus Russell can be a success in the NFL if he develops a work ethic, however I think there is about a 1% chance of that happening. I think it's laughable that EE thinks you only need an amazing work ethic for Tebow to be a great QB. You also need natural talent and and potential. Plenty of QB's work just as hard as Tebow, problem is those guys don't have the natural born ability to succeed, same as Tebow imo. The guy has probably worked his butt of for since leaving college and look where it has got him.

tallaghtoutlaws · 25-08-2011 2:52pm

Tom_Brady wrote: »

Bit harsh, I don't think EE has said anything like that. He's just said that if Tebow gets a shot, he'll take it and show he can be a succesful QB. He's acknowledged that Tebow needs work, I haven't seen him leading a campaign that Tebow is of elite starting calibre as it is or anything. He's just taking the view that the rest of the Tebow fans on here are taking - he has what it takes to be a starting QB in the NFL and will be succesful some day. I dont think anyone is championing Tebow to lead a team to the Superbowl this year or anything - they're the type of idiots you'll get on NFL.com comments section and the like. EE is just saying, and I agree with him, that Tebow has intangibles of a high level that very few QBs ever have, and that if he can use these while working on his mechanics and make himself a better player then he'll make some franchise very happy one day.

Im sorry I have to disagree with you and EE post. Had he wrote that post without insulting the intellliegence of those who disagreed with him I would say fair enough each to his own. But to basically call us idiots in my book is not on.

But lets look at Tebows situation will we:

- He has flaws that don't suit an NFL starting QB
- He has failed to fix those flaws
- He is having a bad camp and pre-season. So bad to the extent that even some of the Tebow loving pundits are beginning to see that this so called determination is been out shone by actually talent at QB
- He is now a 3rd string QB and it is obvious to everyone in the Pros that even now in his 2nd year he is still that project QB Josh McDaniels drafted.

Tebow is an amazing athlete and it showed in college. Unfortunately for him Florida were not ineterested in turning him into a NFL QB. Florida were quite happy to let it slide as lets face it he dominated college teams. Unfortunately you can't carry that immediate success with you to the pros and now Tebow is just an average QB at best with all this so called heart and determination.

My last word. The NFL is a business not a kindergarden. Tebow was naive to think that his heart and determination that made everybody love him in college would translate to the same love in the Pros. He went 1st round and has failed to live up to the expectation of a first round QB simples. Money talks and no company is going to hang onto to someone who can't do his job properly no matter how much he is determined.

Peyton Manning · 25-08-2011 3:17pm

Well I don't think EE called anyone here an idiot, he called the experts who are paid to write columns and give analysis idiots I think? Open to interpretation of course, but just one thing...

My last word. The NFL is a business not a kindergarden. Tebow was naive to think that his heart and determination that made everybody love him in college would translate to the same love in the Pros. He went 1st round and has failed to live up to the expectation of a first round QB simples. Money talks and no company is going to hang onto to someone who can't do his job properly no matter how much he is determined.

What makes you say this?

It would be naive if he thought he would walk onto a team and everything would go swimmingly, but I've never seen Tebow champion himself as an elite NFL QB, or demand love from all the fans. I thought he was pretty open and clear that he knew he needed to work on his mechanics - he was very open about that even in the ESPN documentary. He's never come across as someone who thinks he has some divine right to be a QB in the NFL, he's just said that's what he wants to do and he's going to work hard at it to make his dreams come true. I don't think he's been naive at all, I think he's a humble guy who's been very up front about the hard work in store in order to make it in this league.

tallaghtoutlaws · 25-08-2011 3:42pm

Tom_Brady wrote: »

Well I don't think EE called anyone here an idiot, he called the experts who are paid to write columns and give analysis idiots I think? Open to interpretation of course, but just one thing...

Let me quote what Eagle eye said. Most certainly implies anyone who disagrees with him

Thats the end of this for me. There is one guy here who is just trying to rise people but he is pretty poor at it. There are plenty who don't believe he can make it, I think these people don't understand how far ruthless determination can bring you.

As for the Naive thing. Tebow was being egged on by so many people from Bible bashers to Ex players to ex coaches that I truly believe he didn't think he needed as much work as it turned out he needed. when he came into the Pros I feel people were telling him it will be ok you will become a starter within 1 year because you have this heart and determination and all that jazz. But Im beginning to feel that now Tebow realises the task at hand is a larger uphill struggle than he first perceived it to be. He Naively came into the pros thinking he would be alright and it now hasn't panned out for him.

As someone else said Tebow isn't the only rookie who will put in a ton of work and commitment and heart and determination to get where they need to be. The thing is a lot of those rookies already have the skills to be Pro ready. Tebow doesn't and it is clear to us all that he is finding it tough especially now he is 3rd string behind 2 guys who are clearly ready to go.

Peyton Manning · 25-08-2011 3:50pm

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Let me quote what Eagle eye said. Most certainly implies anyone who disagrees with him

Where did he call you an idiot though?

As for the Naive thing. Tebow was being egged on by so many people from Bible bashers to Ex players to ex coaches that I truly believe he didn't think he needed as much work as it turned out he needed. when he came into the Pros I feel people were telling him it will be ok you will become a starter within 1 year because you have this heart and determination and all that jazz. But Im beginning to feel that now Tebow realises the task at hand is a larger uphill struggle than he first perceived it to be. He Naively came into the pros thinking he would be alright and it now hasn't panned out for him.

But where's the evidence for this? There's been nothing to suggest he was thinking it would be a walk in the park, he's been very clear with how much work he knew it would take and that's even before he knew he would be a first rounder.

I know Tebow isn't good enough to start for the Broncos at the moment. I think he will be a starter for someone some day, but not the Broncos right now, but of all the things this has turned into, it's definitely not a "Tebow eating humble pie" or a "Tebow with egg on his face" scenario. Criticise how suitable he is for this league all you want, but imo his attitude has been anything but a stick to beat him with.

tallaghtoutlaws · 25-08-2011 3:56pm

Tom_Brady wrote: »

Where did he call you an idiot though?

By saying that just because we don't agree with him that we don't understand what the determination and heart can do for someone implies stupidity. When you belittle someones opinion into your own theory you are basically calling someone stupid in my eyes and insulting their intelligence.

But where's the evidence for this? There's been nothing to suggest he was thinking it would be a walk in the park, he's been very clear with how much work he knew it would take and that's even before he knew he would be a first rounder.

I know Tebow isn't good enough to start for the Broncos at the moment. I think he will be a starter for someone some day, but not the Broncos right now, but of all the things this has turned into, it's definitely not a "Tebow eating humble pie" or a "Tebow with egg on his face" scenario. Criticise how suitable he is for this league all you want, but imo his attitude has been anything but a stick to beat him with.

Each to their own Im not going round in circles with this anymore. Time will tell and right now its not looking good for Tebow. As for starting with Denver I highly doubt it. Denver will trade him or cut him next year. Its clear they don't want him anymore.

Jordans n Timbs · 25-08-2011 4:22pm

f*ck tebow

f*cker cant take a snap to save his life.......he looks like sh*t operating from the shotgun too....

tallaghtoutlaws · 25-08-2011 4:23pm

Jordans n Timbs wrote: »

f*ck tebow

f*cker cant take a snap to save his life.......he looks like sh*t operating from the shotgun too....

Tell us how you really feel?

Peyton Manning · 25-08-2011 4:33pm

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Tell us how you really feel?

He's a poor man's Franchize tbh

Jordans n Timbs · 25-08-2011 5:14pm

worst pick of that first round......hes a driven motherf*cker ill give him that....but i cant stand his canned ''leadership'' and gay speeches....

brady, rodgers, manning, big ben etc, those dudes are leaders.....they have fire, and they're also smart dudes.......and they EARNED the respect to be leaders....

tebow is just a meathead that just yells sh*t and tries to show u how hard he's going to work "dahhhh becuz da coach told me ta do it."

like....to me......hes a good backup to a stud QB....u get him to come in...give u high energy short term, he'll get u those tough yards to move the chains....he'd look good running the wildcat with cobb when we're blowing the other team out (no homo) but i dont want to pay his current salary....

like i said, f*ck him.......

mikemac · 25-08-2011 5:22pm

I like your straight talking,

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